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Topic: Design for Space: Soviet Patches (A. Glushko)
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cspg Member Posts: 6210 From: Geneva, Switzerland Registered: May 2006
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posted 12-04-2015 11:04 AM
Design for Space: Soviet and Russian Mission Patches by Alexander Glushko Covering the period from the beginning of the Cold War to the installation of the International Space Station, this book documents a rare collection: almost 250 mission patches worn by Soviet and Russian cosmonauts since 1963. Alexander Glushko, one of the leading specialists in the history of manned space flight and rocket technology in Russia, presents numerous emblems with individual explanations in their applied context: as patches worn on spacesuits. The collection not only comprises partially forgotten mission patches, but also includes rare photo graphs of spacecraft crews and space stations. As well as providing additional historical information, the collection also retraces the formation and development of Soviet and Russian symbolism in terms of space travel and brings the history of cosmic heraldry to life. - Paperback: 192 pages
- DOM Publishers (April 1, 2016)
- ISBN-10: 3869223286
- ISBN-13: 978-3869223285
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jjknap Member Posts: 273 From: Bourbonnais, IL USA Registered: Apr 2011
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posted 01-04-2016 05:52 PM
Available for pre-order on Amazon now. June 1 ETA |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1031 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 03-30-2016 08:21 AM
Some details are already visible on the website of DOM Publishers. What surprises me, is that it seems to be in large part a catalogue of my own collection: most of the photos (actually scans) of patches seen in the page previews, have been copied from my Flickr-account. I will have to see the book first before I give more comments... |
cspg Member Posts: 6210 From: Geneva, Switzerland Registered: May 2006
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posted 03-30-2016 01:24 PM
Cool. Same book but with US manned missions? Patch(es), crew photo and more. That would be nice. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1031 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 05-03-2016 06:29 AM
I just received the book (English version) directly from DOM publishers. I have mixed feelings: it is very nice to have a book filled with all of the things that have played such an important part in my life over the past 15 years. For the general public, it is a nice introduction to Russian space patches. On the other hand, there are mistakes and omissions in the book which could easily have been prevented. If I had spent just a couple of hours with the draft version, I could have helped Alexander a great deal. I am sure he knew where to find me, because he managed to find (and use) a lot of photos of patches I have scanned from my own collection and have on my Flickr website. (Even though he is very generous with credits, Spacepatches.nl is not mentioned anywhere in the book). As a general overview of Soviet and Russian patches, the book does do a good job. As a history of Soviet and Russian space patches, even for a "first attempt" as stated by Alexander in the introduction, it falls short. There are simply too many unanswered questions. The information about ,,formation and development of Soviet and Russian symbolism'' is nowhere to be found. As a reference for serious collectors, which I hoped it could be (and I do realize it was never meant to be such), I think it is not very usable, mainly because official and souvenir versions seem to have been randomly mixed up. Over the coming days, I will compile a list of remarks about the book and post it here. This is absolutely not meant to judge Alexander or put his work in a bad light (I also have positive remarks!), but just to put the record straight for future collectors and historians, who will surely land on this book. (Maybe someone can do the same for the mid-1980's Muniz and Kaplan book about AB Emblem patches). Again, I really appreciate the fact that Alexander managed to complete a project like this and in general, it is nice to have such a colorful book about this subject. But with just a little extra effort, compared to the long time he and DOM Publishers already put in this book, it could have been much more. — Erik van der Hoorn |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 05-03-2016 08:43 AM
Well done... there's always a second edition.Although the first edition, even with typos and/or mistakes is always more valuable to book collectors, it's a strange world. Russian and English version. |
KSCartist Member Posts: 2896 From: Titusville, FL USA Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 05-03-2016 01:14 PM
I hope he accepts your help Erik. I'd love to purchase the second (corrected) edition. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1031 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 05-03-2016 01:28 PM
You should have this version too! Your name (and that of Jorge) is in it with the patches you helped design. Most of the time, it has been written correctly :-) |
dom Member Posts: 855 From: Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 05-03-2016 03:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by hoorenz: If I had spent just a couple of hours with the draft version, I could have helped Alexander a great deal. I am sure he knew where to find me, because he managed to find (and use) a lot of photos of patches I have scanned from my own collection and have on my Flickr website. (Even though he is very generous with credits, Spacepatches.nl is not mentioned anywhere in the book).
Erik, it is important to remember Alexander is the son of famed rocket designer Valentin Glushko so thinks he somehow "owns" spaceflight history.Recently, I was in contact with him about a story I was working on that had a connection to Glushko. When he saw what I'd written (all accurate and backed-up with reliable sources) he emailed me back effectively banning me from writing about his father! Probably just as well you weren't asked for your help but it was unprofessional of him to use images from your website without acknowledgement. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1031 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 05-10-2016 04:30 AM
I don't want to post a full list of corrections, but here (apart from the use of our images) are some things that stand out for me: - There is no additional information about Leonov's Woskhod-2 patch or who designed it. There are several theories, including the believe that Leonov has designed it himself; it would have been nice if Glushko had spoken to Leonov about it.
- Glushko mistakenly believes that the 1960/70's Zvezda and Vimpel logo's are Salyut program patches. Since these were also on the suits of cosmonauts who did not fly to Salyut, he is somewhat confused about these and writes some irrelevant explanations about this. It would have been nice to finally have some detailed information about these logos and their origins.
- Some images are those of souvenir patches made by Stewart Aviation, especially the pentagonal Apollo Soyuz and Hungarian Interkosmos patches stand out. Images of the original patches can be found...
- The original EO-14 patch is not in the book, which is the biggest omission: it was the first all-Russian designed and produced crew patch!
- There is no mention whatsoever of Western involvement (Stewart Aviation, Spaceview, Spacepatches.nl) and the role that (paying) collectors played since 1994 to help make the production of these patches possible. I think this is a really important aspect in the history of Russian patches.
- Some patches that were worn by cosmonauts are not discussed, for instance the commercial patches that were flown on Soyuz TM-11 (Aleko, Japanese brands) and TM-13 (Austrian companies), or the later Avikos or newly designed Vimpel patches. Some of these are visible in the pictures in the book.
- Clearly, Glushko chose not to include flags, seals and nametags, but an overview of different Soviet/Russian flags and Soviet seals and types of nametags used over time would have been nice.
Finally some personal remarks: - Luc's name and that of myself (in the role of designers) are misspelled (E. der Hoom, E. der Hoorn, L. den Abeelen - should read E. van der Hoorn and L. van den Abeelen); in other names, some characters (especially N, H, J) are mixed up. Which probably happened during translation from Cyrillic characters (Jorge Cartes, for instance, is in the book as J. Cartes, N. Cartes and H. Cartes).
- I have been named as co-designer of Soyuz TMA-19, TMA-20, and TMA-02M, which is not correct.
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hoorenz Member Posts: 1031 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 05-14-2016 04:01 AM
I compared all images in the book to my scans. Of the 243 images of patches that are in the book, 143 are taken from our Spacepatches.nl Flickr account. |
cspg Member Posts: 6210 From: Geneva, Switzerland Registered: May 2006
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posted 05-17-2016 05:16 AM
Did you contact the publisher? If so what was their response? |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1031 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 05-17-2016 03:45 PM
I posted these images on the web in high resolution format without any watermarks on them. It would be very naïve to think that nobody was going to use them. The problem I have with it is a purely personal one: I had hoped to find a nice reference book for my collection, but in fact, the reference book IS my collection. Now, that's all I have to say. I am really looking forward to what other people think of the book when they receive it. |
waa49 Member Posts: 91 From: Neu-Isenburg, Germany, Hessen Registered: Sep 2015
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posted 05-18-2016 08:55 AM
First, I agree with Erik's statements about the Glushko book. When I open the book for the first time, I stopped at page 140: the right patch is not the back-up crew patch for Soyuz TMA-21; it is a J. Gagarin commemorative souvenir patch (50 years anniversary).Page 112: The two Soyuz TMA-8 patches are okay; but there is a third one for the Brazilian cosmonaut with a silver boarder. Page 164: There is no ISS Expedition 37.5; the official mission is called ISS Expedition 37 with a official patch. The Expedition 37.5 patch is not official and I know up to now two different versions of this souvenir patch. Page 76: The STS-89 patch is not a "round" patch; it is "oval." - In Part I and II, I miss the "mission-names" within the text below the patches.
- Sometimes patches in the "second or third version" are shown; but what about the "first and official version?"
- The "historical note," I think, is in general okay; but incorporation of parts of the text within the part I, II and III would be better. Part III can be split after ISS Expedition 25 (one part for ISS assembly and one part for the rest).
These are my first notes to this book.Erik, I think it is time for you to publish a book with all your information about Russian and international patches. In the year 2013 I have taken data from the internet and write "my own book" about the mission patches for the Soyuz flights to the MIR and ISS stations. I would like to send this "book" via e-mail to you as a draft copy, "start point" for your book, or... — Werner Ackermann |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1031 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 05-19-2016 02:20 AM
Oh well, for the record, here is my complete list of remarks and corrections, page by page: | |
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