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FFrench
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posted 10-07-2007 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mike:
Usually in a bookshop I sign every copy of my book I can get my hands on so that the bookseller can't return them to the publisher.
This reminds me, of all things, of a "Mad Frankie" Fraser story I read many years ago, which is repeated in this story. It may only apply to UK sales.

Further to this discussion, I stopped in at my local (Oceanside) Barnes & Noble today, and was delighted to see, at last, four copies of "In The Shadow of the Moon" for sale and on prominent display. When I asked the store staff if I could sign them, they said they'd very much like me to, and that they also had 'signed by the author' stickers that they would add to them... so it seems that both major book chains welcome the practice.

I'm just delighted to see that we have copies in both Borders and Barnes & Noble.

And, for those of you in the Chicago area, if this is of interest, I signed a good number of copies of both books for the Adler Planetarium store following the talks I gave there.

Thanks, Mel, for the info. about how Amazon are doing some promotional tie-ins - we've seen some very nice "buy this book together with" offers on the Amazon pages - and they keep changing them, so interesting for us to watch.

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posted 10-10-2007 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sts205cdr   Click Here to Email sts205cdr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just back from Space Camp (#6) and "In the Shadow of the Moon" just arrived in the mail. I really enjoyed "Into That Silent Sea," so I'm really really looking forward to this one. Thanks Colin and Francis!

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Signing the books so they can't return them: genius. But I hate when the "signed copy" stickers ruin the cover when you try and take them off.

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posted 10-10-2007 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, John, hope you enjoy it!

Indeed, good point about the signed stickers. Personally, I leave them on the book when I do find one like that, as it makes them a little more unique to me.

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posted 10-11-2007 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John K. Rochester   Click Here to Email John K. Rochester     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have just finished reading "In the Shadow of the Moon" and I think that it is one of the top 4 space books I had EVER read, along with KC's book, Andy Chaikin's book and "Apollo" by Murray and Cox. Just in case you may think I haven't read many... I do have over 210 books on Manned Spaceflight alone, and was proud to have added "In the Shadow of the Moon", and just today "Into that Silent Sea".

By the way, I had to put another book away for a while, until I finish with "Into the Silent Sea", which may NOT take long, as it is just as terrific as "Shadow".

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posted 10-12-2007 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On behalf of Francis and myself, many thanks for those kind words. It is always very heartwarming to receive such praise from our fellow space enthusiasts. We were initially worried that this book might not go beyond being just another story about the Space Race amid a plethora of books on the same subject, but as we progressed through our writing, interviews and research we knew we had something really special going. Messages such as yours confirm that our early fears were unfounded.

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posted 10-13-2007 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SVaughan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A couple of the Indigo mega-bookshops around Toronto are now selling 'In the Shadow of the Moon' - I think these are the first University of Nebraska Press titles that I've seen there.

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posted 10-13-2007 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John K. Rochester   Click Here to Email John K. Rochester     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, Thank YOU Colin and Francis for taking the time to A) get it right and B) Tell it in a way that not only facinates, but informs as well. I can't tell you how many times I've said to myself, Geez!! I didn't know THAT!!

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posted 10-15-2007 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much, John, for sharing your thoughts. You're including us there with three of my favorite space books, and I'm very aware of what a high honor you are giving us here. Thank you so much. I can only hope you like "Into That Silent Sea" too...

Thanks, too, Simon, for letting people here know that the books are also on Canadian store shelves. It's great to hear news like this. I spotted (and signed) some this weekend at a Barnes & Noble which I had once visited for a Wally Schirra book signing - that felt very special.

This weekend, when hosting the Matthew Brzezinski book signing, a couple of people brought along copies of our books to be signed too - including one already signed by Colin and by foreword-writer Walt Cunningham, the very first I have seen (even Colin and I don't yet have one signed by all three of us!).

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posted 10-19-2007 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mdmyer:
Maybe a future edition? I too wish I could have thought of it earlier. It just came to me when I was writing that paragraph.
You'll be pleased to know, Mike, that after we shared the modified quote you E-mailed to us with the publishers, it now appears on this page - and Robert, there's a mention of collectSPACE too... thanks again!

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posted 10-19-2007 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SVaughan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have just finished reading "In the Shadow of the Moon" and loved it. As others have said here and elsewhere, I also felt a sense of disappointment and anti-climax when I finished the last page: a sure sign of a good read. I can't wait to read the rest of the series.

For what it's worth, here's the review I posted on Amazon:

It has been almost 50 years since mankind first slipped the bonds of earth to explore the heavens. Since then, space exploration has given us some of the most spectacular and memorable moments in history from the first moon-landing on Apollo 11 to the drama of Apollo 13 and the devastation of the Challenger and Columbia disasters. The material already written on these programmes would likely stretch from here to the moon, and many would be forgiven for assuming that there's nothing new to write on the subject. However, authors Francis French and Colin Burgess have found a new angle and made a most worthy contribution to the history of our greatest adventure.

What separates "Into that Silent Sea" and "In the Shadow of the Moon" from many other books on the space programme is that they focus on the men and women who made it all possible. This is a people's history of space and examines that magnificent race from the perspective of those who lived it and did it: whether running the programmes or riding the rockets. Through their genuine interest in the subject matter, Burgess and French won the trust of the astronauts, cosmonauts and the lesser-known or forgotten space pioneers who toiled behind the scenes. The reward for their dedication and sincerity were stories that in many cases have never been told before and provide a fresh perspective on the early days of spaceflight. The end result are two books that rank amongst the very best written on the subject.

Not only do these books provide a most welcome and new perspective on a truly remarkable endeavour, but they are also extremely well written and thoroughly readable. These books transport you to a time when the two great superpowers were competing for control of the ultimate high ground while the rest of the world watched in awe and perhaps bewilderment. It proves that while the men and women who rode these rockets were indeed the best, bravest and brightest of that or any other time, they were also mere humans with their own foibles, insecurities, peculiarities and curiosities.

If you want a truly human history of spaceflight, these books are amongst the very best available.

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In the same week I finished reading Francis and Colin's book "In The Shadow Of The Moon", I also was able to finally see the movie of the same title with my kids.

I just posted my review of the documentary but to the matter at hand -- another superb publication by Francis and Colin. The best treat of all was halfway through reading it I had the opportunity to meet Francis and hear him speak on Yuri Gagarin.

I enjoyed the chapters that covered the Gemini Missions including Gemini 3 -- Grissom & Young, Gemini7 -- Lovell & Borman, Gemini 12 -- Lovell & Aldrin. John Young continues to amaze me with all that I learn about him. Jim Lovell's missions before Apollo 13 accomplished quite a bit more than I had realized.

Learning more about Apollo1 and the fire gave me some more insight on my fellow Michigander Roger Chaffee. Someday I hope that NASA and the families of the Apollo 1 astronauts will allow the Apollo 1 Command Module to be brought out of hiding and put on public display as a fitting tribute to them and the sacrifice they made.

I learned quite a bit about Donn Eisele, one of the lesser known Apollo astronauts. Francis and Colin's interviews with those that knew him helped to provide an insight that I had not known before.

Although I will never be able to properly pronounce or even spell the Cosmonauts names I am glad that their side of what they were doing was interspersed with the Astronauts. Their triumphs and tragedies equal ours in joy and sadness.

Finally, the chapters that added insight on Bill Anders, Rusty Schweickart and others provided me with their perspective on their often overlooked accomplishments. Rusty's spacewalk to test the Apollo spacesuit deserves much more recognition than he ever received.

Thank you Colin and Francis for again writing an outstanding book -- I look forward to next April and the release of the next book in the series.

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posted 10-20-2007 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdmyer   Click Here to Email mdmyer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FFrench:
You'll be pleased to know, Mike, that after we shared the modified quote you e-mailed to us with the publishers, it now appears on this page
It is nice to know that I finally said something worth repeating, my wife will be so surprised.

Thanks for sending my quote in. I do appreciate it.

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posted 10-21-2007 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much, Simon, for those extremely kind words. Coming from someone as respected in the space world as you are, it means a lot.

Brad, I'm so pleased to hear you enjoyed the second book so much.

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Originally posted by BMacKinnon:
I learned quite a bit about Donn Eisele, one of the lesser known Apollo astronauts...

...Although I will never be able to properly pronounce or even spell the Cosmonauts' names


If you can spell and pronounce Donn Eisele correctly, you are doing better than most people...

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posted 10-26-2007 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, John Charles, for this photo of Harriet Eisele with the book, which John gave us permission to post here. Harriet was of immense help when telling Donn Eisele's story, and it's great to see her with a copy at long last.

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posted 10-29-2007 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bruce   Click Here to Email bruce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is another interesting review of the book by Hugo-Award-nominated reviewer Steven Silver. I believe he mostly reviews science fiction books, so it was interesting to read this viewpoint from someone whose major interest is not space flight non-fiction.

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posted 11-02-2007 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WAWalsh   Click Here to Email WAWalsh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alright gentlemen, as everyone has noted, the first two books are outstanding.

Now the question (at the risk of embarassment because I missed a statement on this somewhere), did "In the Shadow of the Moon" only provide a brief cover of Apollo XI because you intend to write a third book that covers the lunar missions, Skylab and ASTP?

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posted 11-02-2007 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by WAWalsh:
...the first two books are outstanding.
Thank you!
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...did "In the Shadow of the Moon" only provide a brief cover of Apollo XI because you intend to write a third book that covers the lunar missions, Skylab and ASTP?
Basically, yes. Colin is series editor for these books, of which our co-written books are only two. Information on the whole series can be found in this thread, and there are also threads on three of the other individual books: To A Distant Day, Ambassadors from Earth and Homesteading Space, the latter about Skylab, and co-written with two Skylab astronauts. It's an absolutely incredible read, and I can't wait to see the reaction it will get here when it comes out. I have read an early draft of "Ambassadors" too, and it promises to be a wonderful, riveting read.

The other side of your question is - we made a deliberate decision in our book to showcase Apollo 10, which normally gets overlooked in space histories, and concentrate only on the first part of Apollo 11 that was new - the descent to landing. We also took the aviator-viewpoint of those heavily involved in the mission - that the landing was the important moment - rather than the outside-world / media viewpoint, which concentrated more on the first step on the moon. It does lead to somewhat of a tease, but makes an important point about how those in the program saw it.

The other missions in the book (Gemini, early Apollo especially) have been leading up to that moment of landing - of reaching a destination. The next step - exploring that destination - was almost a new kind of space program, and so this seemed to be the perfect place to sign off and allow another book to tell that story.

It's an unorthodox approach, but a fresh one, and also how many in the program saw the events.

Thanks, as ever, for your kind words, and I hope you enjoy the other books in the series as they are released!

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"Footprints in the Dust" will take up the story from where Francis and I left the readers poised. As astute readers will have noted, the books are not being released in strict chronological sequence; instead they are being published in the order in which the manscripts are commissioned, completed and presented by the series authors, and in this particular case the Apollo book is due out in late 2009, to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the first manned lunar landing.

As an aside, the author of the brilliant "Red Moon Rising," Matthew Brzezinski, has just let Francis and I know that he has posted a review of "In the Shadow of the Moon" on its Amazon page (as "Red Moon Man"), which was extremely kind of him

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posted 11-04-2007 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DChudwin   Click Here to Email DChudwin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Copies of "In the Shadow of the Moon" were prominently on display in the "science" section of both the local Barnes& Noble and Borders booskstores. Half the battle with a new book is to get good distribution (there are over 10,000 bookstores in the U.S.). This appears to be happening, so congrats to Francis and Colin.

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I'm a bit more than halfway through this book right now and enjoying it immensely. This thread has already contained a great deal of detail about the book, so I just wanted to add the following for the benefit of those who have read only this book or only "Into That Silent Sea": Whichever book you've read so far, you can be assured that the other one contains the same kind of human detail, and that you will enjoy it just as much. As are so many others that have posted on this thread, I'm looking forward to the future releases in this series. Great job, fellas.

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posted 11-06-2007 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much for those kind words, Don! Glad you are enjoying both books so much.

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Copies of "In the Shadow of the Moon" were prominently on display in the "science" section of both the local Barnes & Noble and Borders booskstores. Half the battle with a new book is to get good distribution (there are over 10,000 bookstores in the U.S.). This appears to be happening, so congrats to Francis and Colin.

Thanks so much for that info., David - that's great to hear that at least one of the books was on display in both stores. You're quite correct, it's hard to sell a book if nobody knows about it - and with a small university press, publicity and promotion cannot match the big commercial publishers.

That's why Colin and I have been so grateful to those of you here who have been talking the book up to bookstores, museum and science center stores, posting reviews here, on Amazon, Barnes & Noble websites and elsewhere - E-mailing friends and book reviewers about it - the only way to spread the word is grassroots, and this website has been wonderful for that. Thank you!

As has been said here, there is little to no money to be made in writing and selling books like this - but sharing space history is important to all of us, and so I really appreciate those of you out there who have been helping us with that.

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posted 11-07-2007 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As most are aware, with me in Australia and Francis in San Diego, copies of our books signed by both of us are rare, although Steve Hankow may still have some dual-signed copies at Farthest Reaches. So just a heads-up that copies of "Into That Silent Sea" and "In the Shadow of the Moon" signed by both of us can now be purchased online from the Reuben H. Fleet Science Center's online store. Click on either "Books" or "Space" to take you to the items. As you can see, they do accept overseas orders as well. They have other signed books available as well (Sally Ride, Nancy Conrad, Timothy Ferris). And as Francis works only a few minutes from the Science Center, I'm sure he'll personalise any copies as well if requested.

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Originally posted by FFrench:
The other missions in the book (Gemini, early Apollo especially) have been leading up to that moment of landing - of reaching a destination. The next step - exploring that destination - was almost a new kind of space program, and so this seemed to be the perfect place to sign off and allow another book to tell that story.
I agree that your choice of an ending was perfect. Great book!

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I just posted my 5 five star review on Amazon. Thanks for a wonderful book guys!

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posted 11-15-2007 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for that very nice review, Tahir - much appreciated! So glad to know you enjoyed the book so much.

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I agree that your choice of an ending was perfect. Great book!

Thanks Don! Glad it worked for you. The more we talked to people in the program, the more we learned that this is how it seems most of them saw the Apollo 11 mission.

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I'm ready for book #3. I just finished reading "Light this Candle" about Alan Shepard. The book was ok, but nothing like your books.

Fairly average, nothing that really stood out, and a bunch of little errors throughout the book. One that really stands out was the comment that Challenger was lost due to a faulty valve. Huh??

Interesting book, but like some movies, it's forgotten soon after the credits.

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posted 12-03-2007 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bruce   Click Here to Email bruce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just discovered this. More kudos for Colin & Francis!

Roger Launius, former NASA Chief Historian, currently in the Division of Space History at the Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space Museum, has added both "In The Shadow of the Moon" and "Into That Silent Sea" to his Essential Reading in the History of Human Spaceflight list on Amazon.com.

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Just discovered this. More kudos for Colin & Francis!
Thanks Bruce! Very nice for us to see...

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I finally found the time to read "In The Shadows Of The Moon" and was not disappointed. There have been so many histories of the space program that rehash the same basic stories. However, this book contains new information perspectives gleaned from the personal interviews the authors obtained from and about some of the lesser known astronauts such as Bill Anders, Rusty Schweickart, and Donn Eisele. The book emphasizes the role of the many individuals who made Gemini and Apollo successful. The authors astutely summarize the diverse personalities in the astronaut corps, but also the key people on the ground. While other books have looked at the political or organizational history of the space program, "In The Shadow Of The Moon" proves the point that bright, young, dedicated individuals working together on a common goal can make history. I agree with those who say that this book ranks in the top handful of chronicles of the space program. It is readable, comprehensive, and adds to our knowledge of that special era.

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A million thanks for those comments, Dr. Dave - it's always very heartening to receive such wonderful feedback, so thank you for taking the time to say how much you're enjoying the book.

I also heard off-forum a few days back from a fellow space historian who told me he had recently taken a tour of Mission Control at JSC. During the tour, their guide started telling them a story he said he'd read in a book called "In the Shadow of the Moon." As an author, it's always great fun to hear of such things. All the best.

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Roger Launius, former NASA Chief Historian, currently in the Division of Space History at the Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space Museum, has added both "In The Shadow of the Moon" and "Into That Silent Sea" to his Essential Reading in the History of Human Spaceflight list on Amazon.com.

I see that Dr. Launius also has our second book on his Apollo in American Myth and Memory list - an interesting list to look over, that "offers several books that discuss the continuing significance of Apollo as a part of the American psyche."

But my favorite has to be the book's inclusion on a wonderfully eclectic little Amazon list called Dystopia. Pop Culture. Funny Little Mice.

I wonder which of the three we qualified under?

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I have heard from a fairly reliable source that In the Shadow of the Moon and Into That Silent Sea have been nominated for the Eugene Emme Award.

For more information see: American Astronautical Soc. Emme Award

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Wow, if that is true and one of the titles gets selected, then it would be a real coup for Colin and Francis.

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Here's a photo of my co-author Francis taken at a reception hosted by the Mayor and City Council of the City of San Diego, the Board of Library Commissioners and the San Diego Public Library, at which he was awarded this medal on behalf of us both for our books "Into That Silent Sea" and "In the Shadow of the Moon."

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So do you think Francis (and you) will still sign our books for free at the Nov 7-9 event (whatever it is)?

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Sadly, at this time I'm not planning on being in the States in November.

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Congratulations Guys!

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Well done Francis and Colin!


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