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ColinBurgess
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posted November 02, 2003 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm flying over to Texas and the West Coast next week to do a handful of signings of "Fallen Astronauts," see some friends, and conduct a little research. When the book first came out I was more than a little annoyed to see an unflattering review from someone at Publisher's Weekly on Amazon, but yesterday Walt Cunningham unexpectedly gave it a lengthy, five-star review! To me, this is equivalent to Gus Grissom shaking my hand and saying, "Do good work!" Walt's and other reviews (wow - all five stars!) have finally put the smile back on my face, and convinced me that people who know nothing about astronauts and their lives should not write trashy give-us-some-more-dirt reviews on the subject.

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posted November 02, 2003 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those of you in Southern California, Colin will be signing his book, along with Mike Cassutt and his new space book, on November 15th at the Reuben H. Fleet Science Center in San Diego. For those of you not able to make it, you can order a signed copy though the website ( www.rhfleet.org )if you wish. "Fallen Astronauts" is one of the best space flight books I have read in a long time, and I would think there wouldn't be a single person who reads the CollectSpace forum who wouldn't enjoy reading it.

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posted November 03, 2003 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALAIN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's Mike CASSUTT new book ?
Finally another NEW edition of ""Who's Who in Space "" ?

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FFrench
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posted November 03, 2003 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike's new book is a thriller set on the International Space Station, called "Tango Midnight." A lot of astronaut-insider stories in there, that Mike wouldn't be able to recount unless he changed the names and made it fiction - a great read!

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Larry McGlynn
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posted November 03, 2003 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry McGlynn   Click Here to Email Larry McGlynn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I highly suggest Colin's new book, Fallen Astronauts.

The book is chaulk full of information concerning the lives of men most of us only know as footnotes in the history of the race to the moon. Fallen Astronauts has brought these men to life and provided facts about their lives, the accidents that took their lives as well as the potential changes in the flight rotation caused by their untimely deaths.

It is well worth reading as it fills gaps in the knowledge most of us have about the race to the moon.

On a side note, based on some of the current threads about Soyuz 11, Fallen Astronauts provides information about the death of that crew also.

Overall, an excellent addition to your resource library.

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Philip
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posted November 03, 2003 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"" Fallen Astronaut (s) "" reminds me of a small statuette made by Belgian artist PAUL VAN HOEYDONCK which represented a fallen person to be a Cosmonaut or Astronaut ... Scott & Irwin performed a small ceremony and left the statuette together with a card carrying the names of both Russians & Americans who died during spaceflight-preparations or operations ...

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posted November 03, 2003 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you are interested in reading Walt Cunningham's review of the book, it is posted at:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0803262124/

Or just go to www.amazon.com and search for "Fallen Astronauts"

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ColinBurgess
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posted November 03, 2003 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Philip: In fact the title, and indeed the concept of the book, originated with that same small figurine and plaque you have mentioned. Some years ago I wrote an article for the BIS "Spaceflight" magazine on the life of Ed Givens, and I ended it by saying that at least his name had made it to the moon on that plaque, in the lunar soil by the deliberately-toppled "fallen astronaut." The article (titled "Fallen Astronaut") led me to investigate the lives of the other astronauts and cosmonauts whose names (with the exception of two then not known) were engraved on that plaque left by Scott and Irwin. The book was undergoing early production at the time of the Columbia accident, and it was only coincidental that President Bush began referring to the crew as "these fallen astronauts." But yes, that figurine certainly began it all for me.

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posted November 03, 2003 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sts205cdr   Click Here to Email sts205cdr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm reading it and enjoying it immensely. Thank you, Mr. Burgess!!!

--John

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ColinBurgess
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posted November 03, 2003 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, John, but only my schoolteacher ever called me "Mr. Burgess." Unless that's you, then I'm perfectly happy with Colin.

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posted November 03, 2003 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sts205cdr   Click Here to Email sts205cdr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Colin,

I just finished it and still have a lump in my throat after reading the moving recollections from the dedication of the Astronaut's Memorial, which I have visited many times. Thank you once again for bringing the stories of these lost heroes to my bookshelf. You have done a great service to their families and to every student of space flight history. Bravo!!!

--John

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posted November 04, 2003 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Kaplan   Click Here to Email Steven Kaplan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I must echo the sentiments of those who posted earlier. The book is wonderful, and I recommend it to anyone interested in the early manned program. The anecdotes and potential "what ifs..." make for fascinating reading.
The loss of these individuals, and the sacrifice of their families, is often overlooked by all of us. Thanks to Colin Burgess for telling their story

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posted November 04, 2003 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello,

A couple of people have asked me the most direct way to pre-order this signed book from the Fleet. The best way is to E-mail Kathy Loder in the store, at: kloder@rhfleet.org

Thanks,

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Robert Pearlman
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posted November 04, 2003 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am pleased to announce that beginning this week, buySPACE will be carrying copies of the hardcover (cloth, no dust jacket) version of "Fallen Astronauts" signed by its author and fellow collectSPACE member (as evident by this post) Colin Burgess.

The hardcover will be available for order for $39.95.

If you are seeking the soft cover signed, we recommend ordering through the Fleet Center as described above.

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posted November 04, 2003 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nojnj   Click Here to Email nojnj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
when can we start ordering it through buySPACE? I did not see anything on the website yet. Count me in for one!

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Robert Pearlman
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posted November 04, 2003 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Evan, the book will be added soon -- we are waiting for a sample copy of the hardcover to arrive so we can show what it looks like (currently, only the softcover is pictured online).

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posted November 09, 2003 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nojnj   Click Here to Email nojnj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From reviews I hear this book is very good. The author seems to be a real prince of a gentleman. I emailed Colin Burgess and asked how to get a book signed by him. He stated he lives in Australia and would be making a trip to San Diego to sign for the Reuben H. Fleet Science Center, and also will be signing for BuySpace and Boggs space books. Since he was from Australia, signed books would not be that abundant. A few days later, I got an email from Kathy Loder, Retail Coordinator, North Star Science Store, Reuben H. Fleet Science Center, stating Colin had passed my autographed book request on to them, and stated they are holding an autographed book for me. I was just very impressed that Colin would remember and pass on my request. Thank you Colin and Kathy! Can't wait to read it.
Evan

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ColinBurgess
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posted November 25, 2003 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The legacy of "Fallen Astronauts" just continues, and I must firstly thank those good folks who have said so many kind things about what was a true labour of love these past five years. Those who have read the book may care to know that I have recently been in the Texas town of Quanah, hometown of Ed Givens. Quite a long way from Australia's shores, but a trip that was much anticipated and turned out to be a truly memorable experience.

The 3000 townspeople of Quanah really turned on some sort of celebration when I arrived, accompanied by good friend (and van driver) Wally Funk, one of the Mercury 13 gals. We both gave talks at Quanah High School to hundreds of local kids, and to various groups within Quanah. One highlight was being privileged to take part in the dedication of the new Ed Givens Space Room in Quanah's A&P Depot Museum. Tom Stafford sent me a few words to read out, as he had opened the (now relocated) original Space Room back in 1977, and was a great friend of Ed Givens.

Earlier in the day I was introduced to two of Ed's children, Cathrine and Dianne, and it was lovely to meet them after all this time. We made a small pilgrimage out to the Quanah Memorial Cemetery where Ed, his brother, parents and antecedents are buried, and quietly paid our respects. It was a highly emotional day, and no more so than when I showed the girls three photos of Ed's funeral that a Quanah local had found in the newspaper's photo archives. In my book, Cathrine wrote that the one real sadness of her life was that, as just a four-year-old, her mother had not taken her to her father's funeral, presumably to spare her the sadness. Dianne, who was only a babe in arms when her father died, looked at the photos and said to her older sister, "I thought you said you never went to Dad's funeral?" When Cathrine confirmed this, Dianne pointed to one of my photos and said, "Well, sis, here you are, sitting in the second row of seats!" At this point Cathrine just broke down, and when she later made a short speech at the dediaction, she expressed her profound happiness at finding out through me that she had indeed been at her father's funeral. It's one small correction I'm happy to make in the book should it go to a second edition, and one of the reasons I love writing non-fiction - it is intensely satisfying when such moments occur. It provided a very poignant touch to what had already been a wonderful day spent celebrating the life of an extraordinary man whose dreams were cut short by a simple but fatal accident. I may only be a very small voice in the distant wilderness, but I am not going to rest until I get his name on the Astronaut Memorial Mirror. It broke my heart to see the tremendous love these girls had for a father they barely knew, and yet the board of the Astronaut Memorial Foundation vapidly dismisses any suggestion that he should be on there, with their pathetic "he was off duty" response. If they could know the hurt that this rejection has caused this beautiful family, they might change their minds. Ed Givens was not off-duty the day he died - not astronaut was ever off duty back then, and even now. He gave his life for NASA and his nation, and these people should be proud to recognise this, not slam the door in his family's face whenever the issue is raised.

One side story - Tom Stafford told me that he was actually supposed to have been at the same function as Ed that night, but had a prior appointment that precluded his attendance. "Do you know, I could have been in that car wih Ed that night," he told me. Quite obviously, this would have changed the circumstances and Ed probably wouldn't have crashed or died that night, but would NASA have placed Tom Stafford's name on the Astronaut memorial Mirror had they both been killed that night? Would NASA and the AMF have considered Tom, even though he had made two flights by then, an "off-duty stronaut" and declined to recognise his achievements? I don't think so.

But enough of the soapbox, even though it is heartfelt. I just wanted to say what a great privilege it was to be invited to Quanah, and to recognise a man about whom I knew so little just five years ago, and yet whose life is now enmeshed in my own in so many ways.

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posted November 26, 2003 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tfetner   Click Here to Email tfetner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please advise, how may I obtain a signed copy? I' reside in Birmingham Al. (SouthEastern U.S.A.)

THNX

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posted November 26, 2003 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can order here:

http://www.collectspace.com/buyspace/books.html#fallenastronauts

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posted November 26, 2003 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Just been advised of the despatch of my copy of the book. Don't know how long it will be before I get the chance to read it as I have a queue ! But I am looking forward to it.

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posted December 06, 2003 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I've got my book and can heartliy agree with Walt Cunningham ! It arrived at the same time as my second hand copy of "Apollo, the race to the moon" by Murray and Cox. And I chose to read Fallen Astronauts first !

Its a 5 star book from front to back.


Happy Reading..........Adam

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posted December 10, 2003 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gilbert   Click Here to Email Gilbert     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I received my copy of Fallen Astronauts last week and finished reading it last night. It is really hard to believe this book hasn't been done before now. The authors do a good job of enlightening us to the tragic events of 30+ years ago. Prior to reading the book I knew virtually nothing about some of the guys, other than their names. I think Fallen Astronauts is one of the best books to be published in our field in recent years.

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posted December 10, 2003 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all the great comments, everyone. It took about five years to research and write "Fallen Astronauts" and it means a lot when your peers and fellow spaceflight enthusiasts feel it is time well spent.

I can still recall the devastation I felt when Ted Freeman died in the crash of his T-38; I was only 17 at the time and my interest in manned space flight had really developed quickly into a deep fascination with the subject that, despite several tragedies, has lasted and still endures. A few weeks before he died I'd received a handwritten letter from Freeman, which lent a person aspect to his loss. Same for C.C. Williams, who also sent me a nice handwritten letter (ah, those were the days!) And of course I received a letter from Charlie Bassett in which he spoke of the death of Ted Freeman but said we had to move on in our quest for knowledge despite the pain. Then he too was gone.

To me it was quite amazing to get to meet and know his daughter Faith, and to correspond even beyond the writing of the book with Ted's 82-year-old sister, Anne. Same goes for the other families; apart from a little well-known (but overcome) reticence on the part of Marilyn See, all of the families not only cooperated, but lent that support and trust so necessary for the completion of this book. They knew that it was being written as a tribute, and though some critics may miss the "warts and all" stuff, to me it stands as a personal testimony to some very remarkable adventurers. Had they not lost their lives in the blink of an eye, the names of those who went to the moon and even walked there would undoubtedly be quite different in the history books today.

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posted December 21, 2003 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rsynge   Click Here to Email rsynge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Colin

Just finished reading your excellent book - many congratulations on an excellent work that really did need to be written.
I was very interested to read your views on the possible causes of Gagarin's MIG accident.
At a recent show in Coventry, UK, Pavel Popovich gave a talk about his experiences of the Russian space programme and, at the end of it, I asked him for his personal view on the most likely cause of Gagarin's accident.
He told our group that he'd headed up the investigating panel post the accident and that their unofficial view was that, most likely, there had been a problem with the oxygen supply in the MIG which caused both Gagarin & his instructor to lose consciousness. He then felt that they had regained consciousness around 10,000 ft when the Mig was spinning to earth in cloud and had been trying to regain control until the last second, which accounted for them not ejecting.
He also said that there had never been any official Russian government investigation into the accident, which does seem strange bearing in mind the world fame of Gagarin at that time.
I guess we'll never really know for certain what happened and there will always remain an element of mystery surrounding the accident.

Anyhow, many thanks again for writing such an interesting book. What's the next one about?!

Robert.

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posted December 21, 2003 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Robert,

Bert Vis is the guy most responsible for the cosmonaut biographies in that chapter - all I did was write a prelude and carry out a little light editing. So I bow to him on this one. Interesting to read what Popovich had to say about the crash, but it doesn't seem we'll ever know the actual cause. Bert would have based his findings on interviews and private conversations with cosmonauts and others related to the space program, and I'm sure he's also discussed the subject off-record with Popovich, whom he has met many times in the past decade or so. I value his contribution to the book, and also his friendship. I knew I didn't have a hope in Hades myself of sourcing the material and people I knew Bert could, so it was really good to have his gracious input into the book.

I'm currently writing another book on several spaceflight pioneers together with a new co-author, and all will be revealed around the end of next year. Nothing startling, mind you, but it's a project near and dear to both our hearts, and it's coming along really well. Sorry to have to be so mysterious, but that's just an author being protective of an idea. However it will contain a lot of astronaut biographical material.

Many thanks for your kind and generous comments; when you spend five years of your life on a project like "Fallen Astronauts," it is genuinely nice to read such unsolicited comments, and to know that the work is not only justified, but appreciated.

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posted December 27, 2003 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bruce   Click Here to Email bruce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I received a signed copy (purchased through cS!) for Christmas. I took it with me to the mountians for our annual family Christmas get together. Cold weather aside, I hardly wanted to leave my toasty cabin! This book fills in so many gaps in an otherwise "space book" saturated marketplace.

The importance and uniqueness of this book can hardly be expressed by me in this post. It is simply a "must have" for anyone even remotely interested in the beginnings of manned space flight. I am grateful to Colin, his collaborators, and probably most of all to the families of the fallen whose personal recollections serve to keep their names and their dreams alive for all time.

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posted December 29, 2003 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BMckay   Click Here to Email BMckay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great book. I just finished my copy. How can we help get Ed Givens on the memorial? I am heading downto KSC in February and it won't feel right not having Ed's name on the mirror when I view it again. Who should we write to? How about a CS letter writting compaign?

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posted December 30, 2003 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good to hear you enjoyed the book, and like me you are apalled that Ed Givens' name is not on the Astronaut Memorial Mirror. The AMF states on their homepage that the Mirror is "a living memorial to the astronauts we honor." By inference, they do not feel that Ed Givens or his family is worthy of being honored.

Although he won't respond (at least not to me after several attempts) you could try emailing a message to the President of the AMF, Stephen Feldman, PhD., to voice your concern. I have been told that the reason Givens is not there is because he was "off duty" when he died in a car crash. You might point this out: (a) Ed Givens was in the USAF and was a NASA astronaut. If you are a part of EITHER service you are on duty 24/7. This is written into Air Force regulations, and the one-time Chief of the Astronaut Office, Alan Shepard, is on record as saying that an astronaut "is on duty 24 hours a day, seven days a week." (b) The board has also said that Givens was not in training for a mission. Really? I could have sworn he was part of the three-man support crew for both Apollo 1 and Apollo 7 before he died. He was also helping develop the AMU for both NASA and the Air Force MOL program. (c) Bob Lawrence got his name on the Mirror because he was a USAF astronaut designee, but died in a plane crash. Ed Givens was ALSO a USAF astronaut designee (in fact he was in the same ARPS qualifying school as Lawrence - a school that Givens helped set up), so he too was a USAF astronaut in training for a MOL mission. But unlike Lawrence, Givens was ALSO a NASA astronaut, and had completed his astronaut probationary training. Lawrence was NOT a NASA astronaut. The only difference is that Lawrence died in a plane crash, while Givens died in a car crash. It's also very obvious that overt political correctness played a very significant role in Lawrence's family getting his name on the Mirror. I do not begrudge Lawrence his place on the Mirror, but where is Ed Givens?

Ed Givens is the only active pre-shuttle astronaut whose name is not on the Memorial Mirror. His family have never been invited to join any celebrations put together by the AMF; in fact they are deliberately and cruelly excluded. And this is the mob that wants to "honor" the astronauts who gave their lives for NASA and their country? "Astronauts" such as McAuliffe, Jarvis and Ramon? Give me a break!

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posted January 11, 2004 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for eurospace   Click Here to Email eurospace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just to add my respects for a very decent and well-written book about people I knew almost nothing but the names ('cause I was too young when they died).

Colin Burgess and his co-authors achieve to create a colorful portrait of each of the deceased astronauts, sometimes so lively one could imagine to stand next to them. A very worthy tribute to some fine pioneers who were just unlucky to be at the wrong place at a wrong time and got killed. Perhaps a few more photos would have been nice (but also expensive to print, I know).

The only portrait I was a bit disappointed about was Grissom's - the stories told here were basically known to me. Do we have to presume that the Grissom family did not co-operate to the same extent that the families of the other "fallen heroes" did?

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posted January 11, 2004 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Juergen,

While co-author Kate Doolan wrote most of this Apollo 1 chapter, I did contact, or attempt to contact, various members of the Grissom family for her. Betty and Scott did respond to my messages, but I was pointed in certain controversial directions where I didn't feel the book should go. I don't think this would come as a huge surprise to those who have followed the fortunes of the family in recent years. While willing to help, and quite friendly, Scott did tend to guide me to previously-published material rather than offering new information.

Promising contacts with members of the White family (Ed's sister was very keen to assist)were continually stymied by a member of the family who took it upon himself to abort all of these leads, while insisting that any and all correspondence be directed through him. As with some other controversial projects in which he has been involved, this family member then reneged on all his promises of assistance and fell silent.

By comparison, Martha Chaffee was very supportive, but sadly offered nothing really new to Roger's story, believing it to have been fully covered in Don Chaffee's biography of his son.

Poor Kate really drew the short straw in taking on this chapter; the families of the other five men could not have been more helpful to me, or friendly and supportive, in putting together the stories of their loved one.

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posted January 11, 2004 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dave   Click Here to Email dave     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi again Colin..do you have a copy of Starfall by Betty Grissom? I'm sure you do but thought I'd ask just in case

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posted January 11, 2004 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Dave, yes I do, as well as Gus's book "Gemini." Also used for reference were Joseph Bell's "Seven Into Space" and a borrowed copy of Chappell's "Seven Minus One."

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posted June 18, 2004 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a photo I took recently of Gene Cernan with the book:

(He wrote the book's foreword).

FF

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posted July 07, 2004 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voodoo   Click Here to Email Voodoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Colin:

I just received my hardcover copy of "Fallen Astronauts" in the mail from an online bookseller. It arrived without a dust jacket. Some of the discussions here suggest that that's how the book was issued, but could I just confirm that this is indeed correct?

At first glance, it looks fascinating, and I'm really looking forward to reading it. Thanks for your efforts.

Martin

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posted July 07, 2004 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Martin,

Sadly, that is the way the publishers printed the hardcover. They only produced 500 copies of the hardcover, and told me that in their experience these mostly went to libraries, universities and other such institutions who did not need a dustjacket. While I find that curious, I think they lost a lot of the general market by not producing a hardcover version with a dustjacket.

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posted July 13, 2004 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jrkeller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was in the Rocket Town Store today and they had about 20 copies of the hardback avaliable for sale.
http://www.countdowncreations.com/bookfallast.htm

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posted August 28, 2004 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for icarkie   Click Here to Email icarkie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Colin
As an early birthday present (two weeks time) the wife brought me you excellent book for me to read while we were on holiday.After reading all the posts on this site this book has been on my want list for a while.
Along with the other members on this site I just like to add what a fantastic book you Kate and Bert put together.
I was quite moved(which is not normally like me)in places in the book with the way these guys had tragically died (Bondarenko for one)
If the Russian were more open in the way of the dangers in working with pure oxygen who knows, things MIGHT have been different on Apollo 1.
The history books would tell a differt story on the moon landings AND Skylab with the "What if " situation had these's guys had not been taken away from us and there loved ones.
One last thing Colin I've read the posts on this site on Ed Givens, I've read your book now and I cannot for the life of me understand why the guys name is not on the mirror (was Gordo off duty that night as well).
Like what Shepard said an Astronaut is on duty 7 days a week 365 days a year ????.
What do the Apollo astro's think about this obmission (if anyone is going to Burbank maybe somebody could ask the question to them).
I thought the book 'DEKE' was an hard act to beat but this book is well up there.
I thankyou Colin, Kate and Bert.
Hope to get the chance to meet you at the Autographica.
all the best
Ian

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posted August 28, 2004 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wehaveliftoff   Click Here to Email Wehaveliftoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How odd and sad no dust cover jacket was issued for the hardback. Has anyone else run across
a book space-related or not like this?

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posted August 29, 2004 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ian,

Your kind words mean a lot to me, and on behalf of Kate and Bert I really appreciate the sentiments expressed in your message. The campaign to get Ed Givens's name on the Memorial Mirror is an ongoing one, and I can assure you that as far as I'm concerned it did not end with the publication of the book. I will say that some of Ed's astronaut contemporaries were quite amazed to read the true story behind his death, and appalled that his name is not on this wonderful tribute to their fallen colleagues.

I will definitely be at Autographica function for all three days, and I look forward to meeting you and other faces-behind-the-collectSPACE-names during that time. I am not there in any official capacity - merely as a paying guest - and I'll be more than happy to sign any copies of the book that anyone cares to bring along. For free!

In answer to the other post, no one was more surprised than me to discover that the hardcover version had been published without a dustjacket. The publishers later told me that as the very limited run of hardcovers (500) was mostly intended for sale to libraries and other institutions they did not see a need for the added expense of a dustjacket, which they said would likely be discarded anyway. It's really sad, because the ones that did make the commercial market (and the bookshelves of members of collectSPACE) look very ordinary indeed without a dustjacket. It's also the reason why you'll never see this version in a regular bookstore. I know that I would be quite upset to buy a brand-new book without the beautiful cover that graces the paperback edition. My only hope is that sales will warrant a reprint of the hardcover edition, and if this happens I will insist on a dustjacket.

Colin

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