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Philip
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posted 05-10-2004 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent work Dwayne, I have shown the "Spy Satellite" articles to French and Italian friends of mine and they were amazed about the 'specialist' character of the BIS monthly Spaceflight magazine.

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Thanks. This article is actually what I consider to be a relatively minor one. It is not really significant history-telling (unlike my series on the Samos satellites, for instance). It is simply adding some minor data points to the history.

When it comes to writing about American satellite reconnaissance, there is absolute progress and relative progress. The absolute progress comes in subjects where the majority of information is still shrouded in secrecy and so even a little bit of new information seems very significant, but in reality is probably not all that important--that is the case with this article. The relative progress comes in areas like the declassified programs and management (for instance, CORONA and the creation of the NRO). There it is possible to tell a much more detailed and rich story. I prefer the latter. But it requires a different set of skills and a different kind of work.

It turns out that although the large American reconnaissance satellites are still classified, there is a significant amount of unclassified information available on their power and propulsion systems which have been proposed for use in other programs. I wanted to get that material out of my filing cabinets and into print, where hopefully it can spur more information to be released.

I'm not quite sure I understand your comment about the "specialist nature" of Spaceflight. My own philosophy is that Spaceflight serves several purposes, at least for me. First, it is regarded as the forum of record on many space subjects, including history. Other publications have much larger readerships, but a different focus, and almost none of them regularly deal with spaceflight history. Spaceflight is carried by many libraries and not too difficult to find. The magazine has its flaws, but it has perservered. Second, I find Spaceflight useful as a sounding board. I publish what I consider to be my first drafts there. And I use it as a foundation for further work. For instance, once I publish an article in Spaceflight, I can show it to people who worked on these programs and hopefully get them to talk more. I can then use their comments and help in future works, such as a book I am writing. This does not always work, but it can be helpful.

Mr. Powell's article is interesting. I won't spoil his secrets, but he has managed to nail down a specific incident that I was interested in for my own research. He got some information about it that was pretty solid. I have managed to confirm the majority of his facts about this incident. It's very satisfying when someone else's research dovetails well with your own.

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posted 05-27-2004 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BIS monthly magazine "SpaceFlight" June 2004

I don't know if Alan Lawrie is reading this cS forum but I just wanted to congratulate him on a superb article on "The Apollo 16 Saturn V Fire" about the life history of a Saturn S-IC-11 stage at the Michoud Assembly Facility and onto KSC. (Great photos as well!)

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posted 05-27-2004 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dwayne Day   Click Here to Email Dwayne Day     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of my problems with Spaceflight is that their covers tend to be similar. If you took twenty issues and laid them out on the floor, they would tend to all look alike. And somebody should tell them that most conceptual artwork (particularly of communications satellites) is not high enough quality for the cover.

There are so many great space images produced each year that I wish Spaceflight would do a better job with their covers.

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posted 05-27-2004 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlanLawrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Philip!

Yes I read (and post) on CS. For the Spaceflight article I had the photos printed specially from the original negatives held in the fridge in the archives. Interestingly one of the engines on that aborted Apollo 16 test can still be seen today as its attached to the S-IC-15 stage outside the Michoud Assembly Facility.

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posted 06-03-2004 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALAIN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dwayne Day:
One of my problems with Spaceflight is that their covers tend to be similar.
Good diversity in Spaceflight covers this year.

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Originally posted by ALAIN:
Good diversity in Spaceflight covers this year
I would disagree with that claim somewhat, and also argue that the problem is more than simply diversity.

First, notice that January and February 2004 both have large circles dominating the covers. Different planets, yes, but nearly identical in composition.

Notice that October 2003 and September 2002 are nearly identical views of Europe from space. January and April 2002 are similar. September 2001 and August 2003 are similar (Delta launches--and October 2002 has the same general composition as well). March and August 2002 are nearly identical (shuttle landing with parachute). And January 2001 and May 2004 are nearly identical too (Ariane 5 launch).

Another problem has been the printing. The December 2003 cover with the Chinese astronaut was really bad. The whole thing had a yellow tint that was just icky. Similarly the faded September 2003 cover of the two ISS crewmembers was also poor. And the April 2004 Hubble photo of the nebula was also faded. The February 2003 cover of the Soyuz was also faded, as was the May 2002 Hubble cover. And I'm also not fond of the February 2002 and March 2004 covers of the astronauts. They're just not good photos. Hagniere in particular looks like she is sitting on a nail.

There are a few outstanding covers over the past few years, although sometimes these have been marred by poor reproduction. The more dramatic ones are June 2003 (the X-38 under the wing of the B-52), December 2002 showing the sun in blue light, June 2001 showing the shuttle in silhouette, and November 2002 showing the station. But the covers over the past year have generally been rather unremarkable until the most recent two.

Fortunately, one thing that they have gotten away from is running artwork depicting European comsats. I think that the European artwork on space hardware tends to be inferior to the American and Canadian artwork (which often tries for a more realistic approach). But even so, you have to be careful with artwork because it tends to lack detail and looks flat.

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posted 06-18-2004 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dwayne, any way a great cover when you're Dutch for this July issue (Kuipers onboard ISS). I especially enjoyed the "Off the Shelf and on to Mars" article by William Bartoe!

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posted 06-21-2004 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dwayne Day   Click Here to Email Dwayne Day     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have not seen the June or July issues yet. I just got the page proofs for my article that will appear in August. It is on the first successful reconnaissance mission. It's also not an act of scholarship--nothing new here. But it's a very readable article.

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Dwayne I am so pleased that another of your great articles on military programmes is about to appear in Spaceflight.

We have also just published a Space Chronicle special on Soviet space history. All the pieces are based on talks at the Soviet Forum held in 2003. The subjects include:

  • Analysis of Soviet lunar missions (unmanned)
  • Rorsats: The veiled threat?
  • Aspects of the Soyuz 7K-LOK lunar orbital spaceship
  • The history of Russian/Soviet meteorological satellites
104 pages at a price of £40 non members, £10 members plus postage. Details from the BIS www.bis-spaceflight.com

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The 'best' pair of things about BIS monthly Spaceflight magazine are in my opinion the updates on the ISS activities and the articles on lesser known subjects (such as the unmanned missions and satellites).

Congrats to BIS to bring every month an excellent magazine!

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posted 06-23-2004 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dwayne Day   Click Here to Email Dwayne Day     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't really find ISS all that exciting, and I get Aviation Week and Space News, which are more current. I find Spaceflight to be most useful for the articles on more obscure programs. The "Soviet Rocketry that Conquered Space" series that appears to be discontinued was always interesting.

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posted 06-25-2004 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kind of agree a bit on the low "excitement factor" of ISS, but it might be very well necessary for our travel to Mars!

It's great and necessary as a reference that SpaceFlight covers the chronology of the ISS orbital operations in great detail (minimum 4 pages per issue) as it does with the "satellite digest" the regular listing of all world space launches...

Again an amazing contribution of yours Dwayne on the heavy intelligence satellites!

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posted 06-28-2004 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dwayne Day   Click Here to Email Dwayne Day     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that it is good that they cover ISS, because nobody else really does that.

One great value of Spaceflight is that it is the "magazine of record" on space. It is the thing that people will refer to in the future when they do research.

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posted 06-28-2004 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eurospace   Click Here to Email eurospace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dwayne Day:
the "magazine of record" on space.
Yes and no. It can of course be as fascinating to read as an accountancy report. Which is death for a publication that, after all, relies on reader attention.

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I would not argue that it could be boring. I am just saying that one value of the ISS reports (which I don't really read) is that they put this stuff in the record.

We can all complain about what we find boring in Spaceflight. At the top of my list would be the "I met an astronaut" reflections. But that's just me...

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posted 06-28-2004 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eurospace   Click Here to Email eurospace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's already two of us who don't read that.

As on the astronaut encounters, it depends very much on what you make of it. I'm ready to read Francis French reports on his astronaut encounters any time - that's oral history.

If it's just "I met an astronaut - and here is the photo" - well, we can need a good laugh any time, can we?

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Jürgen, Dwayne, I read the ISS chronology only when there's something about a space walk or a visiting Soyuz crew...

What I like about 'SpaceFlight' magazine is the fact that it's the only magazine paying attention to unmanned space exploration!

Compared with a few years ago, the layout, touch & feel of the monthly magazine are much better, I even believe that the July 2004 was again improved (other glossy paper?).

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I just got the July issue in the mail yesterday and am impressed with the quality of the photo reproduction. Over the past several years their print quality has been all over the map, with several issues where the photos were faded and washed out or muddy. This one is pretty good.

There are other magazines that deal with robotic spacecraft, but they are not in english. Raumfahrt Concret in Germany covers robotic spacecraft, and Novosti Kosmonavtiki in Russia also does it as well. I have an article on the history of satellite reconnaissance appearing in Raumfahrt soon.

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posted 07-01-2004 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dwayne Day   Click Here to Email Dwayne Day     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My article on the search for the Soviet lunar rocket finally made it into Air Force
magazine. You can find it in HTML here:
http://www.afa.org/magazine/July2004/0704secret.asp

or pdf here:
http://www.afa.org/magazine/July2004/0704secret.pdf

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The July issue here...

Well check the cover of the August 2004 issue, superb photo showing Fincke & Padalka onboard ISS posing with US & Orlan space suit (great photo! ...well Dwayne?)

Finally something on the BEAGLE 2 inquiry!

All we need now is an issue with report on 6-months MER operation on Mars.

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That's actually a pretty good photo. But I note that in less than a year they have done four photos of people smiling on the space station. The September 2003 photo is the worst (and faded too). The ones since then are better. Unfortunately, we don't seem to get good EVA photos anymore. The ones they lifted off the TV link Wednesday were really colorful, with the earth in the background. But TV photos are lousy for print.

My complaint was not that they never have good cover photos, but that they often don't get very good photos, and a lot of their covers are very similar.

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Talking about covers, I hope to see (minimum) one cover this year with a photo taken by the Mars Exploration Rovers!

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An obvious choice would be Saturn and its rings taken by Cassini. Hopefully we'll get back some spectacular Titan photos.

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My copy of the August issue arrived today. I have an article in there on the first successful CORONA mission. They picked an excellent photograph for the opening page, a view looking up the Thor-Agena launch vehicle.

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As on the astronaut encounters, it depends very much on what you make of it. I'm ready to read Francis French reports on his astronaut encounters any time - that's oral history.

Thanks for that compliment, Jurgen!

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Dwayne, you're right, it's a great photo as the one of the "Pad Rats" painting launcher silhouettes on the wall!

Looking forward for the 2004 issues with Cassini-Huygens and Mars Exploration Rover covers.

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I wrote that article primarily because I had some good photos from the National Archives (I took my scanner out there one day). That was in a collection of Air Force space photos.

There is a story that at Cape Canaveral they had a blockhouse where they painted rocket silhouettes. Then they launched that rocket that fell on Cuba and killed a cow. Reportedly, somebody went out to the blockhouse and painted a cow silhouette on the blockhouse. I would love to have a photo of that--assuming the story is true.

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You should know that killing a cow without state authorization is a very serious crime in Cuba and can get you behind bars for quite a few years.

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Dwayne, congratulations on an astonishing number of articles in Spaceflight this year, superb stuff, on subjects never seen before!

I agree with the others, the editor(s) should try to get an issue in this year with Cassini-Huygens on the cover and one with MER on the cover, the rovers are 6 months on Mars and didn't get a cover.

Otherwise the monthly is "insanely great"!

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You should know that killing a cow without state authorization is a very serious crime in Cuba and can get you behind bars for quite a few years.
Supposedly the Cubans still hold an annual ceremony to commemorate this bit of Yankee imperialism.

But we're talking Cuba here... the oldest lasting dictatorship on the planet.

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Alain, thanks for the kind words. One of the things that got me into writing this stuff was the fact that nobody (or almost nobody) was writing the kinds of things I wanted to read. I was interested in satellite reconnaissance and military space and how the military used their satellites. But there are very few people writing about this stuff. And some of the people who were writing on it were not very good. (For lots of reasons. One of the things that bugs the heck out of me is when there is lots of good information available, but then someone simply uses secondary sources such as magazines and newspapers rather than using the original info.)

I have managed to gather a tremendous amount of info on these subjects in the past decade or so and try to get as much of it into print as possible. But as I've noted here before, a few of my more recent articles have primarily had little new information, but I wrote them because I had excellent photos that I wanted to share with people. The article in the August issue of Spaceflight is like that.

What I would like to do is develop a website dedicated to satellite reconnaissance. But I know nothing at all about web design and I will look into taking a class on it.

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As some members said before Dwayne, you should be able to find a publisher for that material. I also agree that BIS must do something about the "MERs on Mars" and the "Cassini-Huygens to Saturn".

Otherwise no complains on a superb monthly!

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As some members said before Dwayne, you should be able to find a publisher for that material.
I'm not concerned with finding a publisher as much as I am concerned with finding time to do it. There's a constant pull between spending time working on the book projects, spending time working on articles, and spending time earning a living...

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posted 07-16-2004 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did anyone already read the new (tri-monthly) magazine additional to Spaceflight but for youngsters aged 11 to 14?

Entitled "Voyage, A Journey of Learning Through Space"...

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posted 07-16-2004 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have - but modesty prevents me from saying why I've read it.

I hate the fact that the next issue will come out in November. makes it hard to submit stuff unless it's relatively timeless.

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O.K. Hart I believe I understand you completely.

Anyway it looks like its a quarterly magazine? How many pages?

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The only idea I have of its frequency is this:

"Voyage is a new magazine from the British Interplanetary Society, publishers of Spaceflight. It is aimed at students aged 10-14 and will be produced initially once per term starting in 2004 as a resources for science classes and as a good read for the students."

I'm hoping - since it's aimed for students - that it'll be a monthly. But with the first issue out in July, when school is out, and the next due out in November (as opposed to September - do British schools have different start/stop times?) has me scratching my head. Then again, the information in Voyage seems to be "evergreen," that is, it doesn't matter when the magazine is read in schools....

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Voyage: It will be published 3 times a year. It will be produced 2 months before the school terms in England and Wales. We will try and keep it topical but is is aimed at schools but we want the stuff to be topical. We aslo want people to purchase itfor there children.It will only be available via the BIS.

The next one will be out in November and then March 05. I am glad you find it useful.

We will also be updating our web site soon. Other changes are planned. So watch this thread.

Have a good week.
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I am rather intrigued by this new publication and will have to get a copy. I'd like to see what style they use. Maybe I could write up something on spy satellites for them.


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