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Topic: Grumman's lunar module facilities (Bethpage)
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hlbjr Member Posts: 500 From: Delray Beach Florida USA Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 07-17-2007 10:56 AM
I was wondering if the Grumman buildings in which the Apollo lunar modules were built still exist (I'm also assuming they were/are located in Bethpage, New York)? |
Rizz Member Posts: 1208 From: Upcountry, Maui, Hawaii Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 07-18-2007 06:28 PM
Yes the buildings are still there, although they are not doing any space-related work in them. |
mikej Member Posts: 483 From: Germantown, WI USA Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 07-18-2007 06:32 PM
We were in the area last month, visiting the Cradle of Aviation Museum, and had planned on driving by the Bethpage facility (which is something like 11 miles away from the Cradle). Unfortunately, a flat tire awaited us as we walked out of the museum, causing us to abort the drive-by.I found a map of the Bethpage facility on page 2-2 (page 25 in the PDF) of manufacturing plan for the Project Apollo lunar excursion module; there's a good deal of discussion of which parts of the LM were to be manufactured and assembled in the various buildings. Note that South Oyster Bay Road (in the upper left of the map) actually points north/south. If you page through it some more, you'll also find individual building floor plans. In addition to the buildings described on page 2-2 and the surrounding pages, I skimmed through Tom Kelly's "Moon Lander: How We Developed the Apollo Lunar Module," looking for any other references to building numbers. I found out that Building 25 was used for engineering drawings and Building 4 hosted LM-1's acceptance review. Plant 30 housed the offices for LM Engineering. They built a new building in 1965, Plant 35, for additional engineer drawing space. A building "across the street" from Plant 5 was used for Space/Craft Assembly and Test (S/CAT), although I never determined which building that was (I called the Northrop Grumman History Center a couple of days before I left on the vacation, but that wasn't enough time for them to get me the information). I found a page on the Northrop Grumman website that listed the Bethpage facility's address as "600 Grumman Road West," so a quick trip out to Google Maps yielded some imagery which was easy to cross-reference with the map. Building 5 is the irregularly-shaped building near the upper left of the aerial photo (it looks like they've added on to it since the manufacturing map was drawn up), so that makes it pretty easy to get your bearings. |
RocketmanRob Member Posts: 281 From: New York City USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 07-19-2007 07:30 PM
The Lunar Module assembly buildings are still in existence, however, are currently abandoned. They have been up for sale for some time, but have not been sold. Recently (as of 2007), Nassau County built a new power generation facility very near to the site. A large part of the site has been sold and developed over the years making way to light industry, malls, homes, etc. Northrup Grumman still maintains a small presence at the site. I've passed the site a few time over the years and have wondered what it must be like inside. One of the main roads passes fairly close to the assembly building so a can get a good sense of the size of these places. There is a small marker close to the entrance to the current Grumman facility otherwise you would not have any reference to what went on there. |
RocketmanRob Member Posts: 281 From: New York City USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 11-22-2007 12:56 AM
I took these photos in August (2007) of the Grumman facility. Here is the marker on the main approach road to the facility (just outside of the new - much smaller Grumman facility).The main Grumman building with its distinctive ball with the Grumman logo on the roof. I do not believe this building was used for LM activities, however, you can see Plant 5 to the right (the brown building with blue doors) where the LM work was done. The remaining photos are of Plant 5 where the LM work was done. According to "Images of America: Building Moonships The Grumman Lunar Module," this building contained the clean room where three LMs could be built at one time. The white facility behind it is where the ACE (Automatic Checkout Equipment) room was located. According to the book this is where LM testing was done. Comparing my photos to photos from the late 60's the building appears to have been significantly modified over time.
As mentioned, these buildings are currently up for sale. Several parts of the property surrounding the main buildings have been sold off and converted to small industry facilities (e.g., the old landing strip now features a Fed Ex facility, a small power generation facility for the county, and a popcorn manufacturing company.) It will be interesting to see if there is some way to preserve a bit of the history of what happened here when these facilities are sold off. Time will tell. |
E2M Lem Man Member Posts: 846 From: Los Angeles CA. USA Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 11-22-2007 02:34 AM
Wow, it is great that some of the LM places still exist there. It is sad that many of these will soon disappear as time marches. At least Long Island has a plaque at their site! |
manilajim Member Posts: 256 From: Bergenfield, NJ USA Registered: May 2000
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posted 03-06-2009 06:18 PM
I was out on Long Island last weekend and drove past the old Lunar Module assembly area of Grumman, Building 5. As it turns out, rather than a vacant parking lot it was jam packed with activity as Building 5 is now being used as a movie set. There inside, sets were being constructed for some film in early production. |
E2M Lem Man Member Posts: 846 From: Los Angeles CA. USA Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 03-07-2009 02:58 PM
That's interesting that both the Grumman and North American plants are now movie studios. |
RocketmanRob Member Posts: 281 From: New York City USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 03-07-2009 07:41 PM
From what I hear, this is not a permanent transition to a movie studio/production facilities. Apparently this a one time occurrence. |
FFrench Member Posts: 3172 From: San Diego Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 07-20-2009 10:55 PM
I found this elegiac article, "When NASA Defined Long Island," in today's New York Times an interesting read. Frank Pullo remembers many things about the era from 1962 to 1972 when teams of Grumman engineers and technicians in Bethpage on Long Island built all of NASA's lunar modules, including the 23-foot-tall spacecraft that landed on the moon's Sea of Tranquillity 40 years ago today.Mr. Pullo, an electrical engineer in charge of testing and retesting the various systems on the modules, remembers the intricacies of verification protocols and the endless workweek like the wrap-up of building Lunar Module 6, when he did not go home for a week and slept in the astronauts' trailers. But mostly he remembers the intoxicating feeling of being part of history. "I used this analogy even then," said Mr. Pullo, now 76, who, like many of the former Grumman engineers, works part time as a docent at the Cradle of Aviation Museum here in Garden City, where two of the four remaining modules not still on the moon reside. "I told everyone, this is like building the pyramids, something that's been around for 5,000 years," he said. "It's a first, and it isn't a small first going to another world something that will be around for a long, long time." |
gac14 Member Posts: 13 From: West Babylon, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 09-08-2010 02:49 PM
Sometime ago, probably 2004 or around there, Northrop Grumman announced they were going to remove the ball from the building. Everyone (retirees, the community) wasn't happy with that so they left it and added a new one to Plant 25. From what I remember, Plant 25 was owned by the Navy and eventually was turned over to NG. That's the last building they occupied on that part of the property and houses E-2 offices. |
RocketmanRob Member Posts: 281 From: New York City USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 09-09-2010 08:59 PM
Interesting to note the ball is now painted red with "Grumman Studios." Last year a few cS'ers took a day trip out there and saw that the Angelina Jolie movie "Salt" was being filmed there. Rumor was it was an one off. |
gac14 Member Posts: 13 From: West Babylon, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 09-10-2010 09:38 AM
The studio is open for whatever business that comes their way. Here's the website.Hard to look at the photos of the empty building they have on the website. For that Salt movie, there was a large structure built outside the building. Not sure what part of the movie it was for. They also had a few black SUVs, limos and an Army tank. Quite a lot went on there. The local Bethpage historical society (the Central Park Historical Society, Bethpage's former name) had a tour of the studio & sets for some of its officers. They reported about it in their newsletter. Some of the interior scenes of the White House were made there. Hopefully they get more business. It's better then the buildings being torn down. |
MrSpace86 Member Posts: 1618 From: Gardner, KS Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 09-10-2010 10:55 AM
quote: Originally posted by gac14: Hard to look at the photos of the empty building they have on the website.
It would be fun to find pics of the lunar module being built inside the facility and compare them to the current "empty" photos they have (sort of like a side by side comparison). |
Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 3450 From: Toms River, NJ Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 09-22-2010 01:19 PM
Grumman also had a smaller building near Great River (I think that's what it's called), what is now Exit 46 or thereabouts on the Sunrise Highway (the so-called "squeeze," where the service and main roads become one, then spread out after intersecting with Montauk Highway.) I seem to remember first a Grumman sign, then a Northrop Grumman sign. Not sure if it's still Northrop Grumman or they sold the building. |
Fezman92 Member Posts: 1031 From: New Jersey, USA Registered: Mar 2010
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posted 09-22-2010 09:43 PM
It would be nice to see something more than a little sign that shows what happened at this place. I'm adding this place on my 'places to visit' list |
gac14 Member Posts: 13 From: West Babylon, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 09-24-2010 08:44 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hart Sastrowardoyo: Grumman also had a smaller building near Great River...
The Great River plants were sold in the early-mid 90s. They're now part of a technology incubator type of enterprise. |
gac14 Member Posts: 13 From: West Babylon, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 10-05-2010 02:50 PM
The Grumman Amateur Radio Club has photos, articles and a short video on the Blue Ball. Check out the video, it's good and shows the blue ball in use for the LM program. |
gac14 Member Posts: 13 From: West Babylon, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 10-11-2010 03:09 PM
I had to go into Plant 5 once when I was working in Plant 14, back in the mid-80s. The last pair of space shuttle wings were being made and were in the large jigs holding them. Something you'd never know from the outside, like when the LM was being made.I happened to go in there a couple of weeks ago and the part of the building I was in was empty. The only thing inside was the overhead crane and some workers rebuilding the restrooms. No sign of movie studio activity in that part either. |
gac14 Member Posts: 13 From: West Babylon, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 10-20-2010 07:19 AM
I just read in Newsday that the new Marvel Avengers movie will be starting production in the Plant 5 studios next month. They'll be using the entire Grumman Studios until at least next spring. |
hlbjr Member Posts: 500 From: Delray Beach Florida USA Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 11-28-2010 02:59 PM
I visited Bethpage and Farmingdale yesterday and was amazed at the lack of knowledge about the facilities located at each airport respectively. I asked a couple of the McDonald's employees (just across the street from Grumman LM Plant 5 at Bethpage) if they knew anything about the history of those big buildings across the street. They did not, so I told them. They were almost incredulous. They thought it was pretty cool and had no idea of the history made right across the street! It was fun "cluing them in." |
ro1105 New Member Posts: 1 From: London, England Registered: Jun 2012
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posted 06-06-2012 05:48 AM
I worked in Plant 25 in mid 80s, and twice a day visited Plant 5 — breakfast and lunch each day. It was a ritual of the old lunar and shuttle era engineers and test pilots to have two meals a day in Plant 5 and walk past the back up lunar control rooms and clean rooms, with many 60's era swivel chairs preserved for history. Seeing the current state of external buildings, it follows exactly what Grumman Aerospace decided around 1987, that Boeing, McDonnell Douglas and Northrop were beating us too often by having lower cost operations off Long Island, so Grumman divisions were relocated to Florida, Arizona, Virginia, Maryland, Washington, DC and other places far — just to find lower operating expenses. As far as I know, the last Space Systems Division employee remaining was B. Roberts who was ended his Grumman career in the Dulles, Virignia building as part of our lawsuit against NASA with regards to ISS into the late-mid 90's. |
BethpageGirl New Member Posts: 2 From: Bethpage, NY USA Registered: Feb 2014
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posted 02-27-2014 09:31 AM
My husband works in what was formerly Grumman Building 16. It is now a US Postal facility. When he first started working there in 1990, Building 11 was still in use by Grumman, and a man who worked there told my husband that both buildings were used for part of the LM project. What cool history!Growing up in Bethpage in the 1960's, I clearly remember Tracer test flights (I used to think the radar was a swimming pool on top of the plane), and quite often, sonic booms. That was cool!!! |
Fra Mauro Member Posts: 1701 From: Bethpage, N.Y. Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 02-28-2014 06:55 AM
I live near the plant and I would love just to walk around the place. |
BethpageGirl New Member Posts: 2 From: Bethpage, NY USA Registered: Feb 2014
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posted 02-28-2014 08:52 AM
Plant 11 still exists also. It is now the offices for Kozy Shack Pudding. I believe this housed the plaster operation, but I don't know what was done in Plant 16. |
Fra Mauro Member Posts: 1701 From: Bethpage, N.Y. Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 12-05-2020 03:03 PM
To the left of the Grumman plant, is a large office building (not in use). About a week ago, I noticed that the large blue Northrop Grumman ball had been removed. |