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Topic: Trump administration: Mars only or and moon?
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Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 54170 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-20-2025 01:31 PM
Newly-sworn in President of the United States Donald Trump included a mention of the space program in his inaugural address: We will pursue our manifest destiny into the stars, launching American astronauts to plant the Stars and Stripes on the planet Mars. SpaceX CEO Elon Musk was in the audience for the address and was seen giving a thumbs up to the remark. |
Glint Member Posts: 1151 From: New Windsor, Maryland USA Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 01-23-2025 01:10 PM
Reminded me of when Vice President Dan Quayle, as head of the President's Space Council, spoke out in favor of Mars exploration more than 35 years ago, and yet here we are still without. And the Washington Post poked fun: ...this week was a television appearance by Vice President Quayle, head of the National Space Council, in which he seemed to envision water... on Mars Doesn't sound so crazy now, does it? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 54170 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-23-2025 01:32 PM
NASA knew about the presence of water on Mars long before Quayle was in office. The Viking 2 lander observed water in the form of frost. The newspaper wasn't poking fun of the Vice President for suggesting there was merely water on Mars, but rather (filling in the full quote): ...in which he seemed to envision water flowing through canals on Mars. Asked why the council believes the United States should send humans to Mars, Quayle responded, "Mars is essentially in the same orbit. Mars is somewhat the same distance from the sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe." Doesn't sound so convincing an argument now, does it?But yes, Mars has been discussed in presidential inauguration addresses since 1965, when Lyndon Johnson, citing Mariner 4, said: For every generation there is a destiny. For some, history decides. For this generation the choice must be our own.Even now, a rocket moves toward Mars. It reminds us that the world will not be the same for our children, or even for ourselves in a short span of years. |
Headshot Member Posts: 1385 From: Vancouver, WA, USA Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 01-23-2025 03:54 PM
Wow!That last paragraph is something. I had no idea that LBJ could be so eloquent. I wonder who actually wrote it. I know that Ted Sorensen had departed the White House by Feb. 1964. It sure smacks of his style though. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 54170 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-08-2025 07:33 PM
The White House has provided its first formal indication that it intends to continue support sending Artemis missions to the moon. From a joint statement by President Donald Trump and Japanese Prime Minister Ishiba Shigeru on Feb. 7, 2025: The United States and Japan intend to continue their strong partnership in civil space and on aeronautics, science, and human exploration, including on the upcoming Crew-10 mission to the International Space Station that includes U.S. and Japanese astronauts as well as lunar surface exploration on future Artemis missions. |
Glint Member Posts: 1151 From: New Windsor, Maryland USA Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 02-10-2025 10:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by Robert Pearlman: NASA knew about the presence of water on Mars long before Quayle was in office.
Agreed, water has been known to exist on Mars before Quayle in spite of the attempt to ridicule him in the press, and here. Indeed, the fact being water on Mars dates way back. Here is a drawing of both polar caps on Mars from the 1850s, a full century prior to the Mariner probes and LBJ. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 54170 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-10-2025 11:32 AM
Quayle's error, for which members of both parties poked fun, was that he said there were active canals on Mars. Contrary to his assertion, scientists were well aware that water cannot exist in liquid form, let alone flow, on the Martian surface in the planet's current (and then) state. Quayle aside, no president or vice president has been able to propose a serious Mars crewed exploration plan without it being dismissed by others in both parties. Bush tried to do it in 2014, but within what seemed like a week of announcing Mars as a destination (in the context of the "moon, Mars and beyond"), the red planet was dropped from further discussion of human spaceflight. Maybe the country is finally ready for a Mars program to start now, but for numerous reasons, both political and technical, it seems like a mistake to redirect from going back to the moon first. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 54170 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-17-2025 11:54 AM
Jared Isaacman, the presumptive next NASA Administrator, shared his thoughts about sending humans to Mars in a post on X: I think it is so important for people to understand the profound implications of sending humans to another planet: - We will develop groundbreaking technologies in propulsion, habitability, power generation, in-situ resource utilization, and manufacturing—unlocking mission optionality from the Moon to Mars and beyond.
- We will create systems, countermeasures, and pharmaceuticals to sustain human life in extreme conditions, addressing challenges like radiation and microgravity over extended durations.
- These advancements will form the foundation for lower-cost, more frequent crewed and robotic missions across the solar system, creating a flywheel effect to accelerate world-changing discoveries.
- The pioneering science, technology, and knowledge we gain will benefit life on Earth—economically, technologically, and socially—for all humankind.
- This achievement will enable humanity to survive beyond Earth, serving as a hedge against catastrophic events that have shaped our planet's past and will inevitably happen again. It is a critical step in overcoming the Great Filter.
- While peaceful exploration and discovery remain the ultimate goals, space is also the strategic 'high ground'. It is America's responsibility to lead—to ensure national security, maintain competitiveness and secure our place in this rapidly approaching and exciting future.
Achieving such an outrageous endeavor — like landing American astronauts on another planet — will inspire generations of dreamers to build upon these accomplishments, set even bolder goals, and drive humankind's greatest adventure forward In response, Isaacman was asked if he thought we could make it to Mars by the 2028-29 window. I am on the outside, learning and eager for the opportunity to contribute to this grand endeavor. Ultimately, that decision is up to the Senate, but personally, I believe we should dedicate ourselves to a focused set of very high-potential goals — those that may seem impossible to many, but if achieved —could change the world for the better. We should invest a reasonable amount of resources coupled with extreme work intensity and then make them a reality. Even getting 90% there in the near term would set humankind on an incredible trajectory for the long term. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 54170 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-10-2025 09:06 AM
During his first address to both houses of Congress on March 4, President Trump briefly mentioned the future direction of U.S. space exploration. We are going to conquer the vast frontiers of science, and we are going to lead humanity into space and plant the American flag on the planet Mars and even far beyond. On Sunday (March 9), he was asked about his ambitions for a Mars landing as part of a Fox News interview, as SpaceNews reported. "There's a lot of interest in going to Mars," Trump said in the interview, but acknowledged it was not necessarily a high priority for him. "Is it number one on my hit list? No. It's not really. But it is something that would be, you know, it would be a great achievement. It would be a great thing if we could do it."He argued that his comment in the Congressional speech got some of the biggest applause of the night. "I was shocked," he said. "There seems to be a big interest in it." | |
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