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bunnkwio
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posted 11-03-2014 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnkwio   Click Here to Email bunnkwio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It has been a few years since trying to see a launch (I'm 0 for 3). Does the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex sell tickets for launch viewing areas? Or is that reserved now for only Passholders?

I have already booked flights to be in Florida for the launch of EFT-1 and would love to have the best view possible (i.e., viewing stands).

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The visitor complex does sell launch viewing tickets, though they are not yet for sale for EFT-1.

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posted 11-05-2014 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BMckay   Click Here to Email BMckay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I heard KSCVC will be doing something for the launch but I have seen nothing yet. So who is going?

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Jackie and I plan to attend and have booked a hotel already for the 3rd through the 6th.

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posted 11-05-2014 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lunar Module 5:
Are there any plans to have HD or TV/remote still cameras aboard this flight?

Yes, there will be many TV cameras onboard.

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posted 11-06-2014 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Headshot   Click Here to Email Headshot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will this test, or future Orion manned missions, fly a skip reentry like Apollo?

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Originally posted by Lunar Module 5:
Are there any plans to have HD or TV/remote still cameras aboard this flight?
During today's press conference, NASA's Orion program manager Mark Geyer said that in terms of live video, they are still working out the details but there should be views from the rocket (rocket cams) of the ascent and separation events, as well as selected shots from cameras pointed out Orion's window of the Earth.

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Originally posted by BMckay:
I heard KSCVC will be doing something for the launch but I have seen nothing yet.
Launch viewing tickets are now available through the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex:
Apollo/Saturn V Viewing Location: Adjacent to the scenic Banana River just a few miles from the launch pad, the Apollo/Saturn V viewing area features live launch countdown commentary. A limited number of tickets are available for launch viewing from the Apollo/Saturn V Center, located in Kennedy Space Center, for $20 plus the cost of admission. Bus boarding for the Apollo/Saturn V Center begins at 3 a.m. and the last bus leaves for the Apollo/Saturn V Center at 6 a.m.
Launch viewing and live mission control commentary is also available at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex itself in two locations adjacent to Space Shuttle Atlantis. This viewing location is included with admission.

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posted 11-10-2014 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bought tickets this morning for the Saturn V Center.

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posted 11-10-2014 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnkwio   Click Here to Email bunnkwio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Robert! As I did not get an email alert, cS still remains the best source for all space-related information.

I have my tickets for viewing at the Saturn V complex, and equally excited to hopefully meet some of you.

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Same!

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Okay, we need a cS banner and a place to locate for the launch.

Robert, how can we get access to the logo so we can do some sort of print out? They need to know we are in great numbers.

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posted 11-12-2014 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanh_7   Click Here to Email alanh_7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got a glimpse at the Delta IV Heavy from Pad 34 last Thursday and seeing some of the photos posted that is one impressive vehicle.

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What, if anything, makes Delta IV Heavy unsuitable for launching astronauts?

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...and for that matter, why not use Orion to ferry astronauts to and from the ISS instead of spending billions on redundant capsules that may not even be in use after 2024?

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Don't confuse shape with redundancy. Orion is designed for long duration missions, not to serve as a low Earth orbit lifeboat parked at a space station for six months at a time (an Orion lifeboat configuration was proposed by the President and rejected by Congress).

Conversely, CST-100 and, to a lesser degree, Dragon are not designed for deep space missions (SpaceX has its own Mars plans, but Crew Dragon cannot support such as of yet).

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What, if anything, makes Delta IV Heavy unsuitable for launching astronauts?
Delta IV Heavy could launch astronauts (if the rocket was man-rated) but it would not be able to take Orion anywhere but Earth orbit. You'd need a second launch for an Earth departure stage and for whatever other mission components desired.

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posted 11-13-2014 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by perineau:
...and for that matter, why not use Orion to ferry astronauts to and from the ISS instead of spending billions on redundant capsules that may not even be in use after 2024?
Orion might not even be around in 2024 either. Orion is overkill for ISS support. The SLS is too expensive for such a mission.
quote:
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What, if anything, makes Delta IV Heavy unsuitable for launching astronauts?
Crew access would be need to be added to the pad.

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Without knowing the costs of the SLS since it is still in development, I would think that launching two Delta IV Heavy rockets for an earth orbit rendezvous deep space mission would still be more cost effective than a single SLS. They can then put the money into the Orion spacecraft and I would think that they could be flying manned missions much sooner than if they were to wait for the SLS, which may or may not ever get built.

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posted 11-15-2014 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAngel   Click Here to Email SpaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How would anyone rate the odds of success of the Orion Exploration Flight Test mission?

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posted 11-15-2014 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
100%. The launch vehicle is proven.

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While the launch vehicle is proven, mission success doesn't end with the launch. While NASA and Lockheed are confident in mission success, and there's no way to put odds on whether it will succeed, this a test flight. If something goes wrong, that is why we fly test flights...

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Originally posted by yeknom-ecaps:
Is there any online press kits (NASA, Lockheed Martin, etc.) for this flight?
NASA has posted its press kit with many details about Orion, its flight test, recovery operations and the personnel involved in the test.

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posted 11-26-2014 06:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex release
Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex Offers Guests Exclusive Launch Day Experience for Orion Launch

Visitor Complex Plays Host to Unique Launch-Related Opportunities Offered Nowhere Else, Including Live Program with Former CNN Space Expert, John Zarrella

There's no better place to be on the morning of Thursday, Dec. 4 than Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex, where guests can witness firsthand Exploration Flight Test-1, or EFT-1, the test flight of the uncrewed Orion spacecraft from America's gateway to space and experience a complete pre-launch-to-post-splashdown program, including Orion-related activities, exhibits, astronaut appearances and live coverage and commentary.

"The Orion launch will be visible from many areas across the Space Coast, but there's only one way to feel the rumble, experience the excitement and get up to date, minute-to-minute information from NASA TV, astronauts and space experts — and that's at Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex," said Therrin Protze, chief operating officer of the Visitor Complex. "This is your chance to be part of history in the making and tell your kids and grandkids you were here when we achieved our first steps toward Mars."

EFT-1 featuring the Orion capsule aboard a United Launch Alliance Delta IV Heavy rocket, is set to lift off from Space Launch Complex 37 at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station as early as 7:05 a.m. The two-orbit, 4.5 hour mission culminates with a splashdown of the capsule in the Pacific Ocean.

The following programs are exclusive to those who choose to view the historic launch from Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex:

Journey with Orion and Countdown to Splashdown programs with John Zarrella

Join John Zarrella, former CNN space expert and correspondent, for the Journey with Orion program leading up to launch, beginning at 5:30 a.m. and the Countdown to Splashdown program, beginning one hour prior to splashdown. Mission experts and astronauts join Zarrella on stage to share their unique perspective during the mission. Guests will be invited to ask questions and participate in giveaways. A CNN veteran for 32 years, Zarrella has covered more than 75 shuttle missions including the launch of the Hubble Space Telescope and repair missions, John Glenn's return to flight, the loss of Challenger and Columbia and the return to shuttle flight, as well as the final shuttle mission, STS-135.

Live NASA TV Coverage

Live NASA TV coverage of the mission, beginning at 4:30 a.m., will be broadcast throughout the Visitor Complex on Jumbotron screens in the Rocket Garden and outside of Space Shuttle AtlantisSM, on giant IMAX® Theater screens and in the Astronaut Encounter Theater. Live coverage will also be displayed at the Apollo/Saturn V Center throughout the launch countdown and launch.

Astronaut Appearances

Astronaut appearances are scheduled at various locations during the launch countdown including NASA veteran space shuttle astronauts Sam Durrance, Bruce McCandless, Mike McCulley, Jerry Ross and Winston Scott.

Displays and Exhibits

NASA, Mars and Orion interactive displays and models are located throughout the Visitor Complex, adding to the excitement of launch, offering guests additional opportunities to learn more about NASA and the significance of these first steps to eventually launch astronauts to Mars. Displays run from Dec. 2 through Dec. 4 and include:

  • Exploration Systems Development exhibit featuring Mars, with interactive screens, high-resolution models and a photo op with a mock-up space suit, NASA
  • Space Launch System presentation of five-segment rocket motor and Launch Abort System, with representatives available for questions, ATK
  • Full-size RL10 upper stage engine and a RS-68 booster-stage engine model used for Delta IV Heavy Lift Rocket, Aerojet Rocketdyne
  • Delta IV rocket and EFT-1 mission displays, United Launch Alliance
  • Social media photo booth with ¼ scale replica of Orion crew capsule; EFT-1 flight pattern and Orion heat shield displays, Lockheed Martin
  • "I'm On Board" banner signing opportunity, NASA
  • Space Launch System and Orion inflatable, NASA
  • Commercial Crew Program, NASA
  • Launch Services Program, NASA
  • Technology Transfer, NASA
  • Armstrong Visitor Center, NASA
  • Mars Rover display, NASA
Breakfast with an Astronaut

For a limited time only, Nov. 29 through Dec. 3, Visitor Complex guests can enjoy breakfast and an inspiring chat with one of NASA's veteran astronauts at Breakfast With An Astronaut. This special event includes a buffet breakfast, an astronaut presentation about his/her experiences in space, a question and answer period, and the opportunity to snap a photo with an astronaut hero. Breakfast With An Astronaut begins at 9:15 a.m. and is $29.99 plus tax for adults and $15.99 plus tax for children 3-11 plus either a daily admission or annual pass. Seating is limited, so register online or call 866.737.5235 to register in advance.

Photographer Michael Soluri

Guests may meet renowned photographer Michael Soluri on Dec. 3 for a book signing and presentation for his new book, "Infinite Worlds: The People and Places of Space Exploration."

A 30-minute presentation by Soluri will be held at 12 p.m. in Exploration Space: Explorers Wanted. Soluri will be available to sign copies of his book at 1 p.m. at The Space Shop. Visit Space Shuttle AtlantisSM to view 27 of Soluri's images of the NASA and Kennedy Space Center workforce.

Soluri has documented humankind's space exploration journey for more than 15 years. His new book takes a behind-the-scenes look at NASA's centers in Florida, Texas and Maryland. Published by Simon & Schuster, "Infinite Worlds: The People and Places of Space Exploration" features more than 300 fascinating images, 15 essays and a forward by legendary former astronaut and Senator John Glenn.

Speakers

NASA and Orion experts are scheduled to speak Dec. 3 and Dec. 4 on a variety of topics including NASA's new Orion spacecraft and the Space Launch System.

The launch window is set for the morning of Dec. 4, beginning at 7:05 a.m. and extending to 9:44 a.m. Guests may choose from two viewing sites: the Apollo/Saturn V Center located within secured areas of Kennedy Space Center or the Space Shuttle Atlantis attraction, situated at the main Visitor Complex.

The Apollo/Saturn V viewing area overlooks the scenic Banana Creek and offers a lawn area and bleacher seating with a view of Launch Pad 37, just 8 miles away at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. This location is accessible only by bus from the Visitor Complex. A limited number of tickets are available for launch viewing from the Apollo/Saturn V Center for $20 plus the cost of admission. Bus transportation to the Apollo/Saturn V Center is available from 3 to 6 a.m.

Viewing from Space Shuttle Atlantis is included in admission. Admission and launch viewing tickets can be purchased online. Please see website for additional information, including the launch scrub policy.

After launch, guests can spend the day exploring Space Shuttle Atlantis, Exploration Space: Explorers Wanted, Rocket Garden and other attractions. At dusk, the Visitor Complex presents its all-new Holiday Rocket Garden Light Show in the majestic Rocket Garden featuring a choreographed light and music program. Guests also will be treated to a stunning array of decorations including a 41-foot Christmas tree and a giant NASA "meatball" ornament.

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A couple of photographs from United Launch Alliance offering a glimpse of Orion atop the Delta 4 Heavy:

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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
NASA has posted its press kit with many details about Orion, its flight test, recovery operations and the personnel involved in the test.
I will be printing this off and studying it in detail, but I can't help wondering if anyone will be fighting to buy a copy on the future equivalent of eBay. It's just not the same as a "proper" printed Apollo press kit, complete with slightly rusted staples and yellowing paper for that period authenticity.

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The printed EFT-1 press kit probably won't become an artifact like the Apollo-era paper copies, mostly because it isn't being distributed by NASA in print. If past precedent holds true, there may be copies at the Kennedy Space Center press site for the launch, maybe only in black and white, but for the most part the distribution is digital.

That said, a good example of how a non-paper press kit can still become a future collectible is the digital version that ATK distributed for the Ares I-X launch. It was given out on a flash drive shaped like the rocket itself.

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Has anyone seen, or know where to get prelaunch orbital elements for the EFT-1 mission? I’ve been told by NASA and ULA that they are not going to provide any. I would like to follow the flight on a tracking map if I can find these.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

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This is the only trajectory map/information of which I am aware:

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It was given out on a flash drive shaped like the rocket itself.
THAT is very cool. It seems you have an extra one...

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Alas, I have just one. That photo was taken borrowing a colleague's flash drive as I wanted to show it both open and closed.

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This is the only trajectory map/information of which I am aware
Robert you're right about this trajectory, which was in the press kit. What I’m looking for are the two line orbital elements that when loaded into a tracking software package it's like watching the map in Mission Control in real time. Somebody somewhere must have these elements or they wouldn't have been able to produce the flight paths that are being distributed in the press kit and other publications.

Here is an example of the two line orbital elements for ISS.

ISS
1 25544U 98067A 14331.49654822 .00016889 00000-0 28711-3 0 4698
2 25544 051.6473 009.9122 0007332 073.1272 076.7711 15.51533234916667

Now to find some for EFT-1.

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So who is going to the launch? I will be down from Wednesday to Thursday. Are there any get together planned?

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quote:
Originally posted by SpaceDust:
Somebody somewhere must have these elements or they wouldn't have been able to produce the flight paths that are being distributed in the press kit and other publications.
Producing a flight trajectory does not mean a TLE will be produced. TLE are mostly produced for items in stable orbits. The vehicle is only in one orbit before there is another upper stage burn.

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Originally posted by BMckay:
So who is going to the launch?
We will be there, Wednesday through Saturday.

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posted 11-29-2014 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnkwio   Click Here to Email bunnkwio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will! I have our tickets for the Saturn V viewing area. My girlfriend and I are flying down on Wednesday night.

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Here is a good overview animation of the EFT-1 mission:

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First official weather forecast calls for a 60 percent chance of acceptable conditions at launch time on Thursday (Dec. 4).
The primary concerns for launch are flight through precipitation, and liftoff wind. Friday, there is no change to this pattern, and the primary concerns for a 24-hour delay remain the same, flight through precipitation and liftoff wind.

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Anyone have a clue if any mainstream media will be covering this in real time? We don't get NASA channel here.

Sort of a crapshoot for those of us on the West coast as we'd be looking to get up before 4AM to see it on TV or online...

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Usually if I cannot watch on NASA TV I stream online.

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The weather forecast for Thursday (Dec. 4) has improved to a 70 percent chance for favorable conditions at launch time. The primary concerns are flight through precipitation and liftoff winds.


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