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Topic: Ares I-X, Ares I-Y and Ares V-Y
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Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 50516 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-27-2007 04:17 PM
The Constellation flights have been renamed. Ares I-X, Ares I-Y and Ares V-Y replaced Orion 1, 2 and Ares V-1. The remaining flights were also renumbered. (Click above to enlarge in new window.) |
SpaceAholic Member Posts: 5246 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-27-2007 04:38 PM
Following IOC (2013?), two flights annually (with STS retired) doesnt seem sufficiently robust to keep ISS gainfully employed while concurrently conducting developmental work on Constellation ...is NASA hanging its hat on Russian/Euro vaporare (Kliper) being available to augment Orion flights? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 50516 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-27-2007 04:44 PM
No, it is relying on Russian Soyuz, Progress and ESA ATV flights. Kliper was shelved by Russia some time ago. |
KSCartist Member Posts: 3047 From: Titusville, FL Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 03-29-2007 08:41 PM
Does anyone know how many of the Orion flights between 2013 and 2020 will be ISS flights? I am assuming that at least a few of the early manned flights will be test flights of the CSM. Also is there a list of how many crewmembers for these flights? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 50516 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-29-2007 09:29 PM
From The Space Review, March 5, 2007, So that's what they mean by sustainable and affordable by Taylor Dinerman: Administrator Mike Griffin has said that due to budget problems the agency will not be able to resume human space operations until 2015. According to the solicitation, which must have been put together a while ago, NASA had hoped to have the Initial Operating Capability Orion 4 (IOC) flight ready to go in September 2013, followed by two missions a year until 2016. The agency's rules have been interpreted to prevent them from publicly announcing plans to use the International Space Station beyond 2016. There are standing instructions, however, that no plans be made that preclude use of the ISS after that date....the Orion missions to the ISS will not be the basic taxi type missions now performed by the reliable and well-understood Soyuz vehicle. They will probably be operational test and development flights that will allow NASA to shake out any bugs in the spacecraft in the relative safety of LEO. After that, the system will be ready for the lunar missions and later, perhaps, beyond. Orion is capable of flying six astronauts to LEO (and the ISS) but its not clear if the few test flights planned to the station will need such a large compliment. |
Rodina Member Posts: 836 From: Lafayette, CA Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 03-29-2007 11:15 PM
Two flights a year? Two?That's the way to bring launch costs down, guys! |
mjanovec Member Posts: 3811 From: Midwest, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 03-30-2007 09:10 AM
I count three manned flights in 2018, four in 2019, and three in 2020. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 50516 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-30-2007 09:17 AM
quote: Originally posted by mjanovec: I count three manned flights in 2018, four in 2019, and three in 2020.
If you are going by the above chart, it is outdated, especially in regards to the dates. After this chart was produced in February, Griffin announced that due to budget cutbacks, the earliest Orion I-Y could launch would be 2013 and that the first crewed flight, as referenced by The Space Review excerpt above, would be delayed to 2015 at earliest. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 3466 From: Toms River, NJ Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 03-30-2007 01:34 PM
So, putting this all together, if this holds, that means a five-year gap between end of Shuttle in 2010 and first crewed flight of Orion in 2015, with Russian Soyuz flights to ISS between 2010 and 2015? How much money will be going to Russia for those ISS flights, and where will that funding come from (e.g., will funding those Soyuz flights mean a corresponding drop in funding for Orion?) |
mjanovec Member Posts: 3811 From: Midwest, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 03-30-2007 01:37 PM
While two missions a year doesn't sound like many, keep in mind that NASA flew 31 missions from 1961 to 1975, in which Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Skylab, and ASTP took place. For many, these were the glory years of NASA.31 missions in 15 years averages out to 2.1 missions a year. |
E2M Lem Man Member Posts: 846 From: Los Angeles CA. USA Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 04-05-2007 06:17 PM
This schedule reminds me of the plans for the Apollo Applications Program (AAP), where they were going to go back to the Saturn orbital workshop many times. It became Skylab and they went 3 times.I am frightened that ISS will become this. |