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Topic: The size of Orion (Boeing ad)
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Robert Pearlman
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posted 07-25-2006 03:48 PM
   
 Anyone who has been to the National Air and Space Museum and has stood beside Apollo 11's Columbia Command Module (which is positioned in a similar fashion to this CEV) can certainly perceive the expanded size of Orion. The CEV pictured is not a CGI creation... it's a real mock-up at Boeing. From The Boeing Company: quote:
This Crew Exploration Vehicle (CEV) advertisement will run in Space News and Aviation Week beginning Monday, July 24. The ad, developed jointly by Northrop Grumman and Boeing advertising and brand management, is part of a campaign to position the team as the partnership the nation can count on to create and implement an affordable, productive and sustainable human space exploration program.NASA is currently evaluating the Northrop Grumman and Boeing team's Phase II proposal, and a decision is expected in late August or early September. The ad reads: "We're investing in an accelerated liftoff -- Northrop Grumman¸ Boeing and other major team members are investing our own resources to ensure the swift start of the next phase of NASA's Crew Exploration Vehicle design and development. Experienced leaders¸ skilled staff¸ engineering models, essential infrastructure in key locations and critical risk reduction tasks are set and moving forward. With NASA, we look forward to the earliest possible liftoff of CEV and launch of the next chapter of human space exploration."
You can see the Northrop Grumman/Boeing CEV logo at the top of the capsule:  |
Philip
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posted 08-14-2006 04:18 AM
That thing is HUGE!!!!! |
LCDR Scott Schneeweis
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posted 08-14-2006 10:40 AM
Absent an integrated airlock, it will be a tremendous amount of volume to represurize if direct EVA's are required...anybody know if the design proposals/statement of work will support direct eggress for EVA or if in every case a separate EVA airlock module will be needed?------------------
Scott Schneeweis
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Astro Bill
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posted 08-14-2006 01:42 PM
Wow! That IS impressive. What is the diameter of the CEV? |
Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-14-2006 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by LT Scott Schneeweis:
Absent an integrated airlock, it will be a tremendous amount of volume to represurize if direct EVA's are required...
Orion's specs only calls for support of contigency EVAs; NASA is not planning to use the CEV for pre-scheduled spacewalks. |
Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-14-2006 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by Astro Bill:
Wow! That IS impressive. What is the diameter of the CEV?
Presently, the spec calls for a diameter of 5 meters (16.4 feet) however when this mock-up was built, the plans called for a slightly larger CEV at 5.5 meters diameter. |
LCDR Scott Schneeweis
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posted 08-14-2006 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
Orion's specs only calls for support of contigency EVAs; NASA is not planning to use the CEV for pre-scheduled spacewalks.
Even so...if a contingency EVA were nessessary, does the CEV carry organic capability to represurize the cabin or does it reguire augmented airlock/atmospheric gas to carry it out? (Or is the assumption that a CONTINGENCY would be one in which the full crew must permanently vacate the CEV i.e. during a crew rescue mission?) |
Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-14-2006 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by LT Scott Schneeweis:
...if a contingency EVA were nessessary, does the CEV carry organic capability to represurize the cabin or does it reguire augmented airlock/atmospheric gas to carry it out?
My understanding is that Orion will have the ability to self-repressurize. One of the driving factors for a contingency EVA capability was docking and undocking with the International Space Station. If for some reason, the CEV cannot undock, an EVA would be necessary to manually disconnect the vehicle from the station given that the release mechanisms are located outside. |
FutureAstronaut
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posted 08-19-2006 10:14 PM
Hope everybody knows that one of your very own fellow collectSPACE members is gonna be the first to fly this baby to the moon!!!  ------------------
Mike |
Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-18-2008 12:57 AM
Courtesy a reader comes this photo, which appears to show that the same Boeing CEV mock-up that appeared in the 2006 ad is now on display at the Davidson Center for Space Exploration in Huntsville, Alabama:  |
cspg
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posted 05-18-2008 10:35 AM
At a smaller scale? Chris. |
Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-18-2008 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by cspg:
At a smaller scale?
I don't believe so. In the ad, the Orion is slightly closer to the floor, but it appears to be the same mock-up. |
cspg
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posted 05-18-2008 11:52 PM
Well, this orange object (I don't know its English name) is rather big, then. Or it's a question of perspective due to the camera.Two differences I can see: there are shuttle-type "thermal blankets" just above the illuminated window in the ad but on the mockup they are everywhere. Also, there are two thrusters (?) missing in the mockup: the ones above what appears to be another hatch (the square thing with a black circle in the middle). I don't think it's the same. Any thoughts? Chris. |
Rodina
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posted 05-19-2008 10:57 PM
I had the same thought -- that has to be an unusually large traffic cone. |
Mr Meek
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Registered: Dec 2007
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posted 05-19-2008 11:42 PM
I don't have any pictures that show that corner of the Davidson Center, but there's a lot more space between the edge of that black border and the wall than you think. Also, the horizontal beam on the wall is higher off the ground than it appears.I also believe it's reasonable to assume that cosmetic changes were made to the mockup rather than construction of an entirely new one. |
Mr Meek
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posted 07-13-2008 07:37 PM
An update:It's really that big. Take, if you will, the following picture of yours truly:  I'm a shade over 6'3" tall, and I'm standing directly under the docking ring. It's pretty impressive, especially comparing it to BP-23 hanging from the ceiling:  Even the kids want to get a look at it:  And what do they want to see? Why, the inside of it, of course:    (Sorry, I didn't have my usual camera, and wasn't able to do a panorama. I'll find an excuse to get back down there in a couple of weeks.) |
Atlantis
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From: Cullman, AL
Registered: Dec 2007
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posted 07-15-2008 02:16 AM
I'll be there this Friday. |
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