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SpaceAholic
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posted 05-18-2021 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From The Atlantic: Rich people are heading to space, and they're changing what it means to be an astronaut.
Soon rich businessmen with $55 million to spare could become astronauts. So could the founder of a company that processes credit-card payments, and a physician’s assistant who works with cancer patients. Jeff Bezos could count as an astronaut too.

That thought might sound more like an SNL skit than a real future, but here we are. Americans who want to fly to space can skip the long and difficult process of becoming a NASA astronaut. Now all that’s necessary is some combination of money and luck. ...

All of this has renewed debate about who counts as an astronaut and who doesn’t. Most people would agree that the professional astronauts who work for NASA are astronauts. But what about NASA administrator Bill Nelson, who flew to space in 1986 as a member of Congress and has since referred to himself as an astronaut? And what about Bezos, who says he wants to try out his own Blue Origin spacecraft someday? Do you have to reach orbit to become an astronaut, or is simply crossing the boundary between Earth’s atmosphere and space enough to earn the title?

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posted 05-18-2021 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hbw60   Click Here to Email hbw60     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's an interesting debate. Personally, I think a new definition will emerge, but I think it will apply to past astronauts, not current/future ones.

The problem is that the term "astronaut" is vague enough to apply to anyone who travels to space. And of course, every wealthy space tourist will want to call themselves an astronaut for the rest of their lives. But the allure of going to space is quickly about to be lost. Not so long ago, Charles Lindbergh flew from New York to Paris, and it was a defining event in human history. A few short decades later, I made the same trip myself. I was on a large plane stuffed full of tourists and screaming children, and when I got off the plane, nobody was asking for my autograph. Something similar is about to happen with space travel.

So my prediction is that in the coming decades, the term "astronaut" will be most associated with tourism. And when people talk about the Apollo astronauts, they'll use a term we don't yet have.

randy
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posted 05-18-2021 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randy   Click Here to Email randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe we could call the private citizens "paying customers"? And refer to NASA, ESA, JAXA and Roscosmos employees as astronauts.

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posted 05-18-2021 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sts205cdr   Click Here to Email sts205cdr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astronaut has been a misnomer from the beginning.

astrobock
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I've always thought anyone willing to be strapped in a seat with rockets blasting off below them should be considered Astronauts. Thinking especially about STS-51L two rookies McAuliffe and Jarvis are not considered "astronauts" because they didn't make it to space.

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I think the title "astronaut" should mean one reaches space while performing their job or profession. "Space tourist" is a good term for the others.

Mike Dixon
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posted 05-18-2021 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't place on the same plane, those that have sacrificed both their "would be" careers (and in some cases, lives) to the incredible rigours of training and spaceflight to those that simply occupy a seat. Over time, terms will change I guess.

Astronaut status? Not for me.

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Mike Massimino writes in his book "Spaceman" that you train on Earth to be an astronaut, so that when you get into space you know what to do. I tend to agree. But how much training is required to earn the moniker astronaut?

Some of the payload specialists who flew on the shuttle (Spacelab, Charlie Walker, the DoD folks) in my opinion, are astronauts. Jake Garn and Bill Nelson (and other passengers) are not.

oly
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I think that it has always been inevitable that the astronaut nomenclature evolves as the job requirements or positions change in a similar way that aircraft aircrew names have changed over time.

Aircraft aircrew who drive the aircraft are called pilots. As the machines became more sophisticated the job tasks diversified, requiring a co-pilot, a navigator, an observer, cabin attendants, and a flight engineer. Military aircraft with payloads requiring specialist skills or additional manning created the positions of bombardier and gunner.

The original Astronauts were selected from a group of test pilots because test pilots possessed the skills and abilities needed to help get the job of crewed spaceflight done. Choosing someone from another field would require gaining the training and experience of working in the flight test business, communicating via radio using the correct vocabulary, and gaining a familiarity with the stresses of flight, before you learn to be an astronaut.

As manned spaceflight developed into multi-crew operations, each astronaut position gained an identity identifier, such as commander and pilot. Each position holds a specific assignment.

This trend expanded during the Shuttle era where multiple crew members had tasks that were not directly responsible for piloting the vehicle, such as scientists and payload specialists. These became astronaut payload specialists.

In aviation, people who travel by air on an aircraft who do not hold a position of responsibility other than their safety are called passengers, or air travelers. So people traveling to space (star sailors = Astronauts) are essentially astronaut passengers or space travelers.

In the future, pilotless aircraft may become a reality for airline operators, and the positions of aircrew may become redundant. This is almost true for spaceflight today, with the crew monitoring operations with access to switches and buttons for use to make control input changes. But the crew are generally along for the ride unless something goes wrong.

Eventually, the control and instrument panel will make way for more seating areas, allowing the transport a herd of domesticated animals from one location to another.

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posted 05-18-2021 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hbw60   Click Here to Email hbw60     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've noticed that most space tourists go to great lengths to blur the lines here, in an attempt to put themselves on the same level as professional astronauts. Whenever I read an article about private citizens paying for a trip to the ISS, it always mentions that the passengers will be taking a training course, and that they'll be performing some kind of "experiment" on the ISS or assisting the real crew in some way. I've never known one to have the honesty to just say "I'm rich, I want to go to space, and my payment will help keep the ISS afloat." There's always a need to portray themselves as a valuable contributor and member of the crew. That way, they can feel better about calling themselves astronauts, and they can brag about their "contributions to science" at cocktail parties, to spite the other billionaires.

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