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Topic: Astronaut, cosmonaut pre-launch traditions
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John Charles Member Posts: 342 From: Houston, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2004
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posted 09-18-2005 03:39 PM
It once occurred to me that there are now so many "traditions" involved in spaceflight that a large part of each mission is so predictable as to seem scripted. To prove my point, I have occasionally tried to list all the traditions I know of, but so many come to mind that I feel overwhelmed and go have a lie down.For example: designing the crew patch; launch day cake; post-landing walk-around (just writing those has triggered a flood of others). Many of these traditions seem to have originated as, or evolved into, photo opportunities. Has anyone succeeded where I have failed, and listed all known astronaut (and cosmonaut) traditions? I would greatly appreciate a pointer to any such listing. If not, I would welcome all inputs from contributors to a definitive listing (so I can quit worrying about it). |
MCroft04 Member Posts: 1859 From: Smithfield, Me, USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 09-18-2005 06:41 PM
I recall reading that the cosmonauts had a tradition of urinating on the tire of a trailer before each launch, apparently something that Yuri Gagarin did before his flight. There's also another tradition of the cosmonauts having to do with their office, but I can't recall the details at his time. I doubt that my memory on either of these is very good; anyone out there remember the details of either of these traditions? |
John Charles Member Posts: 342 From: Houston, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2004
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posted 09-18-2005 06:57 PM
The book "Russian Spacesuits" by Isaac Abramov claims that Gagarin never "christened" his bus in this way, and that it was all an invention of the press. But he doesn't explain why most (all?) subsequent cosmonauts still do it, and are even sometimes photographed in the act.Cosmonauts also visit a replica of Yuri Gagarin's office at Star City near Moscow, maintained just the way it was the day he died, to pledge to do a good job on their upcoming mission. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 53249 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 09-18-2005 07:46 PM
The office is "frozen" to the degree that the clock on the wall is said to have stopped at the moment Gagarin died. While visiting, they sign a book on his desk, seen in this photo (taken during a trip to Star City in 2000):Other cosmonaut traditions before launch: - Visiting the interments in the Kremlin wall of Gagarin, Komarov, Volkov, Patsayev, Dobrovolski and I believe Korolyov.
- Touring the Avenue of the Cosmonauts, a grove behind the crew quarters at the Baikonur; each tree represents an individual who has launched from the cosmodrome.
- Signing the door to their room in the crew quarters at Baikonur.
- Signing a poster of the Soyuz rocket on the pad at the Gagarin Memorial Museum in Baikonur.
- Not attending the rollout and erection of the Soyuz rocket on the pad.
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Tom Member Posts: 1752 From: New York Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 09-19-2005 08:06 PM
Isn't there an American astronaut tradition that the commander and pilot play a card game in the suit-up room with other NASA officials and the commander must lose a hand before they can proceed to the launchpad? |
kosmonavtka Member Posts: 172 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 09-19-2005 11:18 PM
I saw that card game mentioned in a couple of space novels. It's called "Possum's Fargo", whatever that is!From "Titan" by Stephen Baxter: There were more rituals, as they headed out of the building towards the bus that would take them to the pad. There was a card game called Possum's Fargo that they had to play, for instance, with a couple of the techs. Rosenberg couldn't believe his eyes. Here they were, the five of them, like huge insects in their glaring orange pressure suits, standing around a table to play what seemed like, to him, a kid's version of poker. But - rigid tradition had it - they couldn't leave, until the commander, Angel in this case, had lost a hand. It took six hands. |
kyra Member Posts: 613 From: Louisville CO US Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 09-20-2005 12:59 AM
Regarding cosmonaut traditions: - Rookie cosmonauts don't sign autographs outside of those dictated by other traditions (i.e. the door, Gagarin's guest book)
- The "Cosmonaut's song" night before launch — started with Vostok 3/4 but I'm not sure that has continued, although the song is still popular among cosmonauts, and still played in space. I have full versions of the lyrics (Russian and English) if anyone is interested. "I believe my friends caravans of rockets will carry us from star to star..." the refrain goes.
NASA's traditions may be more subtle and hidden in requirements: - The Boeing Bench Review - often a photo-op.
- The crew photo.
- The signing of the supplemental life insurance policy, next of kin documentation.
- Lazy-Boy recliners during the suit-up.
And not to forget - The Family Escort, and the Beach House, and the distant goodbyes from quarantine. |
ColinBurgess Member Posts: 2162 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 09-20-2005 09:00 PM
Didn't the cosmonauts also have a traditional but humorous ceremony in which new cosmonaut graduates were pushed fully clothed into the training pool by King Neptune? Started, I believe, by Alexei Leonov. Bit hazy on this, so someone else may have full details. |
pokey Member Posts: 377 From: Houston, TX, USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 10-17-2005 09:53 PM
No one mentioned it, but I thought there was a cosmonaut tradition of watching "White Sun of the Desert," a particular comedy of errors movie prior to launching. A military officer is returning home after WWII and all he wants is to go home, yet he is persuaded to escort a chieftain's wives somewhere as a favor. The wives begin to fight because they think their protector has designated one of them the primary wife. I guess the message to the cosmonauts is if something can go wrong, it will go wrong. There is also a tradition at Johnson Space Center to ring a ship's bell at the welcome home reception for an ISS crew. The original tradition was to have someone from the previous crew welcome back the next crew. This held up for a few flights, but has become anyone from a previous ISS crew. Usually it is an American because they're more likely to be on-hand at JSC than a Russian. |
rjurek349 Member Posts: 1241 From: Northwest Indiana Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 03-02-2008 06:38 PM
There was a card game called Possum's Fargo that they had to play, for instance, with a couple of the techs. Last night, I was watching a German program I recorded a while back about Columbia. They showed video of Rick Husband playing the black-jack-like card game with the head of flight crew operations. Rick Searfoss was on as one of the documentary participants, and he described the tradition, saying it went back for years — that the commander can't take his crew out to the shuttle for launch until he plays the game, and they have to keep playing until the commander loses. |
DKS22 Member Posts: 19 From: Norman, OK, USA Registered: Feb 2008
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posted 03-12-2008 11:43 PM
I know that during Gemini and Apollo, the astronauts usually ate steak and eggs for breakfast before liftoff. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 53249 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 05-28-2008 05:09 AM
The Space Review: The losing hand: tradition and superstition in spaceflight It may seem incredible that in the world of manned spaceflight, of high-tech mission control and protocols for everything, there is a body of folklore, superstition, and tradition that is followed by each and every crewmember as if performing a sacred rite. Invocation of spirits of the dead, holy water, lucky card games, talismans, ritual words to be uttered at certain times -- it reads like the initiation into some secret lodge. |
blacklion1 Member Posts: 35 From: Bronx, New York Registered: Nov 2007
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posted 05-28-2008 07:06 AM
There is also a tradition at the Kennedy Space Center of launch officials and the families of astronaut crew members sharing a meal of beans after a shuttle launch. And that the returning astronaut crew shares in this meal after they return. I don't know how this tradition started. |
music_space Member Posts: 1194 From: Canada Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 08-23-2010 06:48 PM
From Air & Space Magazine, September 2010, "One More For The Checklist":Space shuttle astronaut Robert "Hoot" Gibson, an ex-Navy fighter pilot, recalls that on launch day, the schedule gives the crew about 15 minutes between suiting up and heading to the pad. During that period, the astronauts would stand around a high table in the suit-up area, joined by the Chief of the Astronaut Office and the Director of Flight Operations. A deck of cards would appear, and they would play a homegrown game called Possum Fargo. Five-card hands were dealt. No betting, no further cards. Just a rapid deal. Whoever had the lowest hand won the round."It's like poker, 180 degrees out," says Gibson. "The lowest you could get was 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 [a 6 gave you a straight]. That was the winningest hand." The crew could not leave until the commander of the mission won a hand — for good luck. "You were not ready to walk out of there until he won," says Gibson. He doesn't know who created the game or who named it. But he played it on every one of his five missions. Four-time shuttle astronaut Tom Jones has a slightly different recollection of Possum Fargo. "We watched the commander play the card game in the suit-up room against the chief of the Flight Crew Operations Directorate," says Jones. "Rest of the crew does not play, and I don't know the game. My opinion is that the kind of people I crewed with did not get there by being superstitious, so it's a trait bred out of the astronaut corps for the most part." But he admits that the commander had to get that low hand before launch. "Once you lose, you can go out to the pad," says Jones. Or win, he means, with that lousy hand. |
moorouge Member Posts: 2486 From: U.K. Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 08-24-2010 08:13 AM
Does it count that the Mercury astronauts named their spacecraft? |
alanh_7 Member Posts: 1271 From: Ajax, Ontario, Canada Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 08-24-2010 09:02 AM
In 2008, I talked with Fred Gregory and he said that the evening before each mission he would go to the flame trench by himself and talk to the engine bells.He did it just as a way of clearing his mind, while at the same time putting the word in just in case the engine gods were listening. He did not get into specifics but I took that to mean a sort of pep talk to the engines 'come on guys... work with me" sort of thing. He asked if it sounded crazy but to be honest, but it made sense to me, anything one can do to help. I found that to be interesting. |
jasonelam Member Posts: 695 From: Greensburg, KY USA Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 08-24-2010 09:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by pokey: I thought there was a cosmonaut tradition of watching "White Sun of the Desert"...
Speaking of "The White Sun of the Desert," I read somewhere that the crew had to stay through the entire viewing, and that in one case when a crew member left halfway through the movie, their mission was ended halfway through its planned duration. Has anyone else heard of this? |
Bert Vis New Member Posts: 5 From: Den Haag, The Netherlands Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 09-01-2010 05:27 AM
I was told in Star City that it was Vladimir Vasyutin who walked out for a smoke, halfway through the traditional showing of the movie. Subsequently, he became ill during the flight and had to be brought back to Earth. The guy who told me insisted it was really what had happened, but I can't help but think it's an urban legend. quote: Originally posted by kyra: Rookie cosmonauts don't sign autographs outside of those dictated by other traditions...
This is a story that over the years has begun a life of its own.Initially, it was only the cosmonauts from Energiya who wouldn't sign before their first flight. They would say it was a tradition, but it was more superstition and not everyone stuck to it. Several Energiya people did sign for me (albeit in person, not through the mail). Of those, Kononenko, Yurchikhin, and others have since flown in the meantime. Several others are assigned to a mission. Military cosmonauts only began following this "tradition" in recent years. Several dozen of them signed for me (again: in person) prior to their first flight or flight assignment. As for signing only when dictated by other traditions: I know that each and every one of them signs hundreds and hundreds of pictures, covers and other souvenirs during the flight from Moscow to Baykonur a few days prior to launch. That's not a tradition, I've been told that these items are given to people who work in the space field, and many of them end up being offered for sale. |
brianjbradley Member Posts: 183 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 03-05-2011 12:56 PM
A few shuttle traditions that I know of are: - Affixing the crew patch on the door frame of the O&C Building where they walk out to the pad. The patch goes in a few other places around the O&C.
- Sharing a bottle of wine at the Beach House the night before launch and signing the bottle
- A new launch flight director (controller?) gets their tie cut after working their inaugural launch.
- The Chief Astronaut recites the Astronauts Prayer "God help you if you screw up" to the crew in the Astrovan on the way to the pad (I think John Young started this)
- Astronaut children draw on a white board while families wait for launch. This is later framed.
- Crew members write their initials in frost on an O2 line on the pad before entering the vehicle.
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Lou Chinal Member Posts: 1390 From: Staten Island, NY Registered: Jun 2007
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posted 03-06-2011 05:24 AM
I believe Alan Shepard started the astronaut's prayer while waiting for MR-3 to be launched. |
Kocmoc Member Posts: 33 From: Washington, DC USA Registered: May 2005
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posted 10-23-2012 02:21 PM
Does anyone know which mission began the "White Sun of the Desert" viewing? I am assuming that this was instituted no earlier than Lazarev and Makarov's Soyuz 12 flight in 1973, but can't seem to find a definitive reference. |
p51 Member Posts: 1785 From: Olympia, WA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 10-23-2012 06:06 PM
At risk of sounding crass, wouldn't astronauts have changed some of these "traditions" after the Challenger tragedy? I mean, if they did all the right things, it didn't help any of them, right? In the Army, our unit had a few odd things we had to do before going to the field. Once we lost someone in a training exercise after doing all that beforehand, we stopped doing it all as it clearly didn't help... |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 53249 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-23-2012 06:17 PM
That's only if the activity is based on a belief that it brings luck, when many of these customs are more rooted in tradition. |
p51 Member Posts: 1785 From: Olympia, WA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 09-05-2013 05:46 PM
Mike Mullane e-mailed me on the use of one of the shuttle simulators (he thought it was a FFT but I doubt it), that crews would put their mission sticker somewhere on the nose mockup. I can't recall specifics, but the 51L crew either put one there before their mission or didn't put one at all, I can't recall which he said, but it was something no crew had done before, and we all know what happened to the Challenger afterward. |
jasonelam Member Posts: 695 From: Greensburg, KY USA Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 01-24-2015 08:32 AM
I am wrapping up reading "Homesteading Space" and it contains Alan Bean's in-flight diary. The first entry includes this sentence: No traditional sour balls for the launch crew. Looking back now, maybe we should have. Can anyone explain this tradition and/or its origins? Thanks! |
Headshot Member Posts: 1340 From: Vancouver, WA, USA Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 03-17-2015 02:27 PM
Did the tradition of the pad crew presenting a gag gift to the flight crew on launch day end with the Apollo-Soyuz mission, or did it continue with Space Shuttle crews? |
onesmallstep Member Posts: 1484 From: Staten Island, New York USA Registered: Nov 2007
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posted 03-17-2015 03:09 PM
I know of the most famous (and touching) gag gift during the shuttle program: the apple presented to Christa McAuliffe by the closeout crew on 51L's launch day. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 53249 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 05-21-2020 12:35 AM
collectSPACE From trees to tags, NASA astronauts start traditions before first SpaceX launchThe first NASA astronauts set to launch from American soil in almost a decade are laying the foundation for the new pre-flight traditions that U.S. commercial spacecraft crews will follow as they prepare to lift off into space. Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley arrived at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida on Wednesday (May 20), a week ahead of their scheduled launch on SpaceX's first Dragon spacecraft to fly with a crew to the International Space Station. "We feel somewhat responsible to continue some of these really neat traditions that both the [Russian] Soyuz crews have had for many years and the shuttle crews have had. And then maybe come up with a few of our own," said Hurley. "As we go through this journey, we will certainly share some more of those." |
onesmallstep Member Posts: 1484 From: Staten Island, New York USA Registered: Nov 2007
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posted 06-19-2020 12:37 PM
One new tradition that has started: The Endeavour DM-2 crew signed the interior of the White Room on Pad 39A prior to entering Crew Dragon for the first launch attempt on May 27. Hopefully subsequent crews will have enough space! |
RobertB Member Posts: 281 From: Israel Registered: Nov 2012
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posted 06-19-2020 03:46 PM
I'd rather there were so many names on the wall that there won't be enough place! |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 53249 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-11-2021 12:36 PM
It is not Possum Fargo (or at least I don't think it is), but it appears the tradition of playing a game before leaving for the launchpad continues under commercial crew. Anyone recognize the game? NASA SpaceX Crew-3 mission astronauts play a game while inside the suit-up room in the Astronaut Crew Quarters at Kennedy Space Center’s Neil A. Armstrong Operations and Checkout Building on launch day, Nov. 10, 2021.
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thisismills Member Posts: 569 From: Michigan Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-12-2021 04:31 PM
Not sure what the game is, the board and pieces are from a set called: Desktop Shuffleboard - Slide It!The cards are Space Playing Cards. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 53249 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 09-28-2024 08:51 AM
For Crew 9, Nick Hague and Aleksandr Gorbunov played deputy chief astronaut Shannon Walker in a card game using a deck created by astronaut Zena Cardman, the former commander commander of Crew-9. Cardman drew the art, portraying Hague and Gorbunov on the face cards. She said she did the same for each of the crews she supported, including Crew-5. |
webhamster Member Posts: 107 From: Ottawa, Canada Registered: Jul 2008
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posted 10-03-2024 01:54 PM
You can see Possum's Fargo being played in this STS-72 documentary. |