Posts: 3777 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 09-30-2017 08:04 AM
Elon Musk has produced artwork showing "Moon Base Alpha." (In passing, should that not be "Eta"?) He refers to "crewed missions to Mars in 2024." Does he give any timescale for his first crewed moon landing?
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 09-30-2017 09:56 AM
Based on the his talk alone, the "Moon Base Alpha" artwork was only cited as an example of what the BFR could be used for, not something that SpaceX was pursuing.
SpaceX is only planning itself to fund going to Mars, but if a customer (NASA or some other entity) wanted to use the BFR to go to the moon, it would be possible.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3777 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 09-30-2017 11:41 AM
Thanks, Robert. Of course, he might find it useful to test the concept on a closer target...
I'm a little confused about Musk's intentions regarding Falcon Heavy. Is he definitely proceeding with FH? If so, would it not be a short-lived cul de sac? If not, is moving on to BFR a face-saver for being unable to make Falcon Heavy work?
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 09-30-2017 12:07 PM
Yes, SpaceX is proceeding with Falcon Heavy. BFR won't be ready to fly for another five to six years. It will only be after BFR is in service does SpaceX plan to phase out its Falcon architecture (and even then, Musk said they plan to retain a stock of Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy vehicles for customers that do not want to use BFR).
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3777 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 09-30-2017 04:43 PM
Good, thanks. It is rarely a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket.
I suspect Musk's timescales will prove to be well wide of the mark, but if he does eventually pull this off, he will be Goddard, von Braun and Korolev all rolled into one!
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 04-09-2018 02:38 AM
From Elon Musk on Instagram, the BFS carbon fiber jig:
SpaceX main body tool for the BFR interplanetary spaceship.
oly Member
Posts: 1484 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2015
posted 04-09-2018 04:00 AM
That is going to be one BFR!
SkyMan1958 Member
Posts: 1399 From: CA. Registered: Jan 2011
posted 06-06-2018 12:08 PM
Obviously I'd very much like to see the BFR project be successful, but one rather important practicality occurred to me last night. How does the upper stage of the BFR handle a launch abort?
I'm guessing the size of the BFR upper stage is at least the size of the Saturn IV-B with CSM/LM on top. I find it hard to believe that the liquid rocket engines of the second stage of the BFR can pull away quickly enough from the first stage if there is a "rapid unscheduled disassembly" of the first stage, to not have the second stage get caught up in the fireball.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 11-20-2018 07:40 AM
From Elon Musk on Twitter:
Renaming BFR to Starship.
Technically, two parts: Starship is the spaceship/upper stage and Super Heavy is the rocket booster needed to escape Earth's deep gravity well (not needed for other planets or moons).
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 12-24-2018 09:37 AM
From Elon Musk on Twitter:
Stainless Steel Starship
A few additional details from Musk:
On weight of steel versus carbon composite:
Usable strength/weight of full hard stainless at cryo is slightly better than carbon fiber, room temp is worse, high temp is vastly better.
On whether Starship will be painted:
Skin will get too hot for paint. Stainless mirror finish. Maximum reflectivity.
cspg Member
Posts: 6376 From: Geneva, Switzerland Registered: May 2006
posted 12-25-2018 04:39 AM
Looks like something from a 1950s science-fiction movie set.
teopze Member
Posts: 192 From: Ithaca, NY Registered: May 2008
posted 12-25-2018 05:57 AM
At this point it also looks like a cheap mockup. Just look around, dirt, gravel, mud and what not.
I really like how it looks at this stage. Very inspiring for newbies: you can build a rocket in your backyard, go for it!
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 01-05-2019 10:04 AM
From Elon Musk on Twitter (photo: Maria Pointer):
Good shot of SpaceX Starship flight test vehicle being assembled in Boca Chica, Texas.
Starship test vehicle under assembly will look similar to this illustration when finished. Operational Starships would obviously have windows, etc.
Engines currently on Starship hopper are a blend of Raptor development and operational parts. First hopper engine to be fired is almost finished assembly in California. Probably fires next month.
Aiming for [first flight in] 4 weeks, which probably means 8 weeks, due to unforeseen issues.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 01-10-2019 09:42 PM
From Elon Musk on Twitter (photo: Maria Pointer):
Starship test flight rocket just finished assembly at the SpaceX Texas launch site. This is an actual picture, not a rendering.
This is for suborbital VTOL tests. Orbital version is taller, has thicker skins (won't wrinkle) and a smoothly curving nose section.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 01-16-2019 04:21 PM
SpaceX has confirmed to the Los Angeles Times that it is moving its development of the Starship and Super Heavy from the Port of Los Angeles to South Texas.
SpaceX said in a statement Wednesday that the decision was made to "streamline operations."
"This decision does not impact our current manufacture, design, and launch operations in Hawthorne and Vandenberg Air Force Base," a company spokesperson said in the statement. "Additionally, SpaceX will continue recovery operations of our reusable Falcon rockets and Dragon spacecraft at the Port of Los Angeles."
Though Port of L.A. officials are "disappointed that SpaceX will not be expanding their operations at the Port of Los Angeles, we are pleased that they will continue their recovery operations here," spokesman Phillip Sanfield said in a statement.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 01-16-2019 07:11 PM
Elon Musk (via Twitter) clarifies, saying the Los Angeles Times' report was due to a miscommunication by SpaceX:
The source info is incorrect. Starship and Raptor development is being done out of our HQ in Hawthorne, CA. We are building the Starship prototypes locally at our launch site in Texas, as their size makes them very difficult to transport.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 01-22-2019 10:13 AM
Elon Musk describes the choice of stainless steel over carbon fiber in this interview with Popular Mechanics.
The thing that's counterintuitive about the stainless steel is, it's obviously cheap, it's obviously fast — but it's not obviously the lightest. But it is actually the lightest. If you look at the properties of a high-quality stainless steel, the thing that isn't obvious is that at cryogenic temperatures, the strength is boosted by 50 percent.
Most steels, as you get to cryogenic temperatures, they become very brittle. You've seen the trick with liquid nitrogen on typical carbon steel: You spray liquid nitrogen, you can hit it with a hammer, it shatters like glass. That's true of most steels, but not of stainless steel that has a high chrome-nickel content. That actually increases in strength, and ductility is still very high. So you have, like, 12 to 18 percent ductility at, say, minus 330 degrees Fahrenheit. Very ductile, very tough. No fracture issues.
Musk also talks about his plans for a first-of-its-kind heat shield.
On the windward side, what I want to do is have the first-ever regenerative heat shield. A double-walled stainless shell — like a stainless-steel sandwich, essentially, with two layers. You just need, essentially, two layers that are joined with stringers. You flow either fuel or water in between the sandwich layer, and then you have micro-perforations on the outside — very tiny perforations — and you essentially bleed water, or you could bleed fuel, through the micro-perforations on the outside. You wouldn't see them unless you got up close. But you use transpiration cooling to cool the windward side of the rocket. So the whole thing will still look fully chrome, like this cocktail shaker in front of us. But one side will be double-walled and that serves a double purpose, which is to stiffen the structure of the vehicle so it does not suffer from the fate of the Atlas. You have a heat shield that serves double duty as structure.
Yeah.
To the best of my knowledge this has never been proposed before.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 01-23-2019 01:18 PM
From Elon Musk on Twitter, regarding damage sustained last night (Jan. 22) to the upper half of the "Starhopper":
50 mph winds broke the mooring blocks late last night and fairing was blown over. Will take a few weeks to repair.
SpaceAholic Member
Posts: 5408 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
posted 01-23-2019 01:58 PM
Fortunately, Martian wind loads are lower.
lspooz Member
Posts: 488 From: Greensboro, NC USA Registered: Aug 2012
posted 01-23-2019 04:42 PM
Well, not according to Mark Watney!
posted 01-25-2019 06:09 PM
Short video showing wind damage to the vehicle.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 02-01-2019 12:44 PM
From Elon Musk on Twitter:
Preparing to fire the Starship Raptor engine at SpaceX Texas.
Initially making one 200 metric ton thrust engine common across ship and booster to reach the moon as fast as possible. Next versions will split to vacuum-optimized (380+ sec Isp) and sea-level thrust optimized (~250 ton).
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 02-03-2019 10:49 PM
From Elon Musk on Twitter:
First firing of Starship Raptor flight engine! So proud of great work by SpaceX team!!
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 03-18-2019 09:35 AM
SpaceX could begin initial tests of the Starhopper, a prototype of the company's Super Heavy vehicle, as soon as this week, Elon Musk said March 17.
In a series of tweets, Musk said flights of a "hopper" test vehicle, powered by a single Raptor engine, would "hopefully" begin this week pending work to integrate the engine, which arrived at the company's South Texas test site late last week, with the vehicle.
Residents of a housing subdivision known as Boca Chica Village, near the test site on the Gulf of Mexico coast east of Brownsville, Texas, received a notice Friday from local officials informing them that the company could start testing "as soon as the week of March 18, 2019," according to copies of the notice posted on social media. The notice said that a "safety zone" perimeter would be established for those tests, including checkpoints on the road leading from Brownsville past Boca Chica Village to the SpaceX site.
Asked on Twitter if the tests were in fact scheduled to begin this week, Musk replied, "Hopefully. Always many issues integrating engine & stage. First hops will lift off, but only barely."
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 03-21-2019 09:46 AM
From the South Padre Surf Company, a live Starship cam:
STARSHIP CAM is located on South Padre Island, 6 miles away from Boca Chica Launch Pad. Visibility and clarity is relative to atmospheric conditions.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 04-04-2019 12:54 PM
From Elon Musk on Twitter:
Starhopper completed tethered hop. All systems green.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 04-06-2019 12:50 PM
From Elon Musk on April 5 via Twitter (compilation video by Space.com):
Starhopper just lifted off and hit tether limits!
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 07-25-2019 08:23 AM
Starhopper ignited its Raptor engine for about 3 seconds at SpaceX's Boca Chica test site in South Texas on Wednesday (July 24), but the vehicle failed to lift off. Instead of hopping up about 65 feet (20 meters) as planned, the rocket belched flame and smoke, then shut down.
"It appears as though we have had an abort on today's test," SpaceX certification engineer Kate Tice said during a webcast of the Starhopper test. "As you can see there, the vehicle did not lift off today."
[Wednesday's] test flight was designed to be the first untethered flight for Starhopper, with its Raptor engine firing at 80% capacity, Tice said.
"This is a development program," she added. "Today was a test flight designed to test the boundaries of the vehicle."
Elon Musk later tweeted that the shutdown was due to the Raptor engine's chamber pressure being high due to "colder than expected propellant."
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 07-25-2019 10:52 PM
From Elon Musk on Twitter (on July 25):
Starhopper flight successful. Water towers *can* fly haha!!
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 08-26-2019 03:30 PM
From Elon Musk on Twitter (Aug. 26):
Starhopper flight currently tracking to 5pm Texas time for 150m / ~500ft hover test.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 08-26-2019 05:54 PM
Test aborted just after T-0. Teams evaluating next test opportunity.
Second attempt possible today, continuing to evaluate.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 08-26-2019 06:48 PM
SpaceX update:
Standing down for today. Earliest next attempt is tomorrow, Tuesday, Aug. 27.
From Elon Musk:
Igniters need to be inspected. We will try again tomorrow same time.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 08-27-2019 05:16 PM
Starhopper 150-meter hop completed. From Elon Musk on Twitter:
Congrats SpaceX team!!
oly Member
Posts: 1484 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2015
posted 08-27-2019 08:36 PM
Impressive display of engineering, the vehicle looks to have landed centred on the pad. Well done SpaceX.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 08-28-2019 08:18 AM
While the flight appeared to be a success, SpaceX has no plans to fly Starhopper again (from SpaceNews):
Musk has stated that the company will instead press ahead to flights of prototypes of Starship, designed ultimately to be the reusable upper stage flown on top of a large booster called Super Heavy. Starship, though, will be able to fly on its own and even make orbit, the company says.
Two Starship prototypes are currently under construction, one at the South Texas site and the other at an industrial site in Cocoa, Florida. The Florida version of Starship will be taken by truck and barge to Cape Canaveral for test flights.
Starhopper will now be used as a vertical test stand for Raptor engine tests. "It's quite robust," Musk said of the vehicle's design in an Aug. 25 tweet.
From Elon Musk via Twitter:
One day Starship will land on the rusty sands of Mars.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 09-26-2019 11:23 PM
Elon Musk will be providing an update about SpaceX's Starship and Super Heavy plans on Saturday (Sept. 28). Leading up to that, he has been sharing photo updates on Twitter:
Adding the rear moving fins to Starship Mk1 in Boca Chica, Texas.
Lifting lower section of Starship.
On the transporter.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 09-26-2019 11:23 PM
More from Elon Musk on Twitter:
Three Raptors on a Starship.
328KF Member
Posts: 1391 From: Registered: Apr 2008
posted 09-27-2019 05:48 PM
NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine just delivered a strong message to Mr. Musk on Twitter:
I look forward to the SpaceX announcement tomorrow. In the meantime, Commercial Crew is years behind schedule. NASA expects to see the same level of enthusiasm focused on the investments of the American taxpayer. It’s time to deliver.
oly Member
Posts: 1484 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2015
posted 09-27-2019 07:39 PM
A perplexing message, because the progress of the manned vehicles for these missions has been dictated by NASA determining what standards and tests were required for man rating. The moving of the goalposts has been one contributing factor to delayed progress.
The Falcon 9 rocket is required to fly X number of flights in a fixed configuration, gaining acceptable results, before it gains certification of crewed flight. The Crew Dragon vehicle has had a setback after an unexpected flaw in material was discovered, and NASA should fully comprehend the importance of making sure the design and testing is complete, and that all safety checks have been met before they commit to launching, and also that putting public pressure to launch has resulted in some bad public relations in the past. Such public comment could do more harm than good.
What Musk does with other projects does not necessarily mean that attention has been shifted away from Commercial Crew projects. To make such assertions would be similar to saying that Boeing has not launched because the 737 Max problems have shifted attention.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53515 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 09-27-2019 10:58 PM
From Elon Musk on Twitter:
Starship will allow us to inhabit other worlds. To make life as we know it multiplanetary.