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Robert Pearlman
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posted March 09, 2005 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA's Funding Shortfall Means Journey's End for Voyager Probes
by Tony Reichhardt, Nature Magazine
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NASA has told scientists working on some of the agency's longest-running space missions - including the twin Voyagers now speeding towards the edge of the Solar System - that they may have to shut down operations in October to save money.

The decision - which NASA officials say is not yet final - has angered scientists, who call it penny-wise and pound-foolish, and say that it is being made without the usual formal review by the science community.

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Launched in 1977, Voyagers 1 and 2 are now more than 14 billion and 11 billion kilometres from Earth, respectively. Having visited all the outer planets except Pluto, they are on their final quest — to locate the shifting boundary between the Sun’s domain and the realm where interstellar space begins.

Ground antennas are in daily contact with the spacecraft, which are expected to last until about 2020 before giving out. The Voyagers cost NASA about $4.2 million a year for operations and data analysis.

To afford new projects, NASA occasionally has to turn off spacecraft that are still working but that have exceeded their life expectancy. Every two or three years, a ‘senior review’ of outside scientists ranks the science value of currently operating missions to help the agency plan which ones should be extended and which shut down. The last such review for Earth–Sun System missions was in August 2003, and the projects now facing termination ranked lowest in that exercise.


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posted March 09, 2005 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trajan   Click Here to Email trajan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that the Voyagers, along with the six manned lunar landings, are mankind's greatest achievement. It would be an absolutely criminal decision to terminate contact with them. As well as the scientific data they have provided over the years, they are also our emissaries to the stars, and they are practically at the start, not the end, of their journey. What a sad commentary on the human race if we became bored with them after less than 30 years

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gliderpilotuk
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posted March 10, 2005 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree. $4.2 million a year is peanuts in the overall spend and the saving could probably be achieved by eg a smarter purchasing policy, or even sponsorship. This really is a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

How long will it be before we get another spacecraft to travel (successfully) as far as Voyager has?

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posted March 10, 2005 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of all those announced the Voyagers should be left in the transmission mode - if only until the heiosphere boundary has definitely been passed.

But I believe this announcement is quite worrying in many more respects.

Lets say, in 2030, the first manned Mars landing occurs. A small base is setup. Crew returns home after some months. Some years later a second crew arrives and stays - say 3 years? They return home. Then a biggie and several crews are sent and establish a major settlement. Its lifetime is to be 20-30 years. They have been on surface for - say - 15 years into the 20-30 year settlement - when the space agency (may not be NASA then) says it can longer afford to keep tracking and supporting the Mars settlement. The earth-media following was 'long gone' after the first mission so very few folk on earth remember this mission starting and maybe even less support for it (except we at cS of course!).

Do they come home and abandon the settlement? Do we leave them fend for themselves on whatever resources they have?

And Mars will probably be the nearest manned base (other than Moon) where we have a significant presence.

And what about the possible longer term manned expeditions to some of Jupiter's moons that would take many years maybe decades to achieve?

How are long term programmes (taking many many decades) going to be supported - both financially and in human support for those crews who undertake these missions?

Do we have to move - perhaps - to a more onboard autonomous self supporting approach much more quickly in the next few years?

Will planetary expeditions have to set off as 'Noah's Arks' or even (perish thought) 'Kamikaze missions - just in case funding and contact is cut off before their missions are extinguished?

These scenarios have been discussed many many times before in numerous publications. But, perhaps more than ever, these once paper-based scenarios are now 'upon us' as we still strive to explore the planets?

I haven't expressed this too well (writer's block tonight) but I hope you can see what I'm driving towards?

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DavidH
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posted March 10, 2005 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just out of curiousity, what does that $4.2 million pay for?

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posted March 12, 2005 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks like still 10 people are busy tracking the Voyagers.

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posted March 14, 2005 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I would love to see the Voyager mission continue, but it seems like it could be done for a whole lot less than that price tag.

The spacecraft itself obviously doesn't cost anything. Does the $4.2 million include costs association with operating DSN? In that case, it's a false saving, unless cancelling Voyager would decrease DSN costs.

Surely those 10 people don't cost $420K each.

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posted April 08, 2005 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess these probes might no longer fit in the already busy schedule of the DSN with different Mars missions, the Cassini-Huygens Saturn mission and several deep space probes making use of DSN.

Pity if we recall that the Voyagers are able to transmit until the year 2020 when their Plutonium begins to decay in the RTGs.

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posted April 27, 2005 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Per Space Politics:
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In other words, Voyager, whose funding after this month was in doubt, will remain in operation for the time being. Money is being transferred from another account (not specified) within the agency to continue funding the missions.
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