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Topic: STS-133/134: The last space shuttle mission
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Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 03-09-2010 10:01 AM
Rumour has it STS-133 and STS-134 might swap places. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-09-2010 10:04 AM
Just about an hour ago, space shuttle program manager John Shannon said that if the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer (AMS-02) needs additional time to be ready to fly on STS-134 -- the reason why the rumored swap was proposed -- than it was more likely they would keep the missions in the same order and delay both. According to Shannon, NASA is expected to have a better understanding of AMS's preparation requirements in May. |
dom Member Posts: 855 From: Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 04-11-2010 02:58 PM
Flight International is reporting that the final shuttle flight might get pushed into next year. "Uncontrolled events" are likely to push the final Space Shuttle flight back by about four months and into 2011, according to internal NASA studies.As things stand the Shuttle fleet is scheduled to retire with Discovery's completion of mission STS-133 in September 2010, but an analysis by the space agency's office of inspector general has concluded that a delay is likely. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-11-2010 03:04 PM
The Inspector General report, on which Flight International (and others) based their reporting, is based on historical tendencies, not anything specific about the current shuttle processing flow. In other words, it's like the Old Farmer's Almanac and its long range weather forecasts, which are based on historical trends. They are not without merit, but they aren't what you want your news desk meteorologist using to tell you the weather. |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 04-22-2010 03:01 AM
NASA may wind up moving Endeavour's flight behind the next one by Discovery, which targeted Sept. 16 launch was expected to be the shuttle program's last. So STS-134 Endeavour won't fly in July and STS-133 Discovery won't fly in September. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-22-2010 09:42 AM
No decisions have been made yet, but if STS-133 and STS-134 do switch flight order, they may also switch orbiters (i.e. STS-133 will fly on Endeavour and STS-134 on Discovery). There are several factors at play here, but primary concern is payload processing. The Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer (AMS), the primary cargo for STS-134, is still in Europe, where it is being reconfigured to use a permanent magnet rather than a cryo magnet. Meanwhile, the Leonardo multi-purpose logistics module, which just returned from space with STS-131, now needs to be modified to become a permanent logistics module to be left at the space station by the STS-133 crew. That work is expected to take longer than the time between now and mid-September, when the mission is currently targeted for launch. Some clarity on these issues (and others) is expected to be shared by NASA as soon as tomorrow...
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Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-26-2010 11:50 AM
STS-134 is now the final planned mission of the space shuttle program; Endeavour, the last orbiter to fly. NASA shuffles shuttle schedule: Endeavour to fly after Discovery for final planned flightNASA has rearranged the flight order for its final planned space shuttle missions, such that orbiter Endeavour will now have the distinction of making the last flight rather than Discovery, as earlier manifested. The shuttles' shuffle, which now has Discovery's STS-133 mission launching to the International Space Station (ISS) before Endeavour's STS-134 flight, was driven by a delay readying the latter mission's scientific payload for launch... |
Delta7 Member Posts: 1505 From: Bluffton IN USA Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 04-26-2010 12:12 PM
On a side note, this also means that the Kelly brothers will now likely join up in orbit aboard the ISS. |
Jay Chladek Member Posts: 2272 From: Bellevue, NE, USA Registered: Aug 2007
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posted 04-26-2010 01:09 PM
As much a storied history as Discovery has written, I am glad Endeavour will get the final flight if this schedule holds. Reason being is Endeavour is the last new build space shuttle. As such, it should get the chance to fly the final mission of the program in my opinion. |
OV-105 Member Posts: 816 From: Ridgecrest, CA Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 04-26-2010 04:16 PM
I agree with you Jay, last built, last to fly, unless STS-135 gets the go still. |
PowerCat Member Posts: 193 From: Herington, KS, USA Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 04-28-2010 10:11 AM
Just a hunch (or a trick knee) that STS-135 will get added to the manifest for one final resupply opportunity. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-28-2010 10:28 AM
As I understand it, adding STS-135 made most sense when the $600 million in the FY2011 budget was available. But now that STS-134 has slipped into the first quarter of FY2011 and will be using those funds to fly, STS-135 would now require Congress and the President allocating additional funding to be flown. As such, the chances of such a flight have decreased since before the schedule slip. |
SpaceAngel Member Posts: 307 From: Maryland Registered: May 2010
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posted 05-01-2010 10:08 AM
Why doesn't NASA management just swap orbiters? I mean, Endeavour would fly for STS-133 and Discovery would close out the program as it flies on STS-134. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 05-01-2010 10:19 AM
Shuttle launch integration manager Mike Moses said that consideration was given to swapping orbiters, but ultimately the decision was made to keep them assigned as originally manifested. |
Tykeanaut Member Posts: 2212 From: Worcestershire, England, UK. Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 05-11-2010 08:37 AM
I heard the 1980's song "The final countdown" by a band called Europe again last night. Perhaps an apt send-off anthem? |
irish guy Member Posts: 287 From: Kerry Ireland Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 05-11-2010 09:26 AM
I think it would be wonderful if Hugh Harris was to do the final countdown, looking forward to meeting with Hugh at the Press site on Friday. |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 05-26-2010 09:43 AM
STS-133 with Discovery is still planned for 16th September 2010.It will be the 35th U.S. mission to the International Space Station and the orbiter will deliver the Permanent Logistics Module (PLM). The date has been set for a long time, any ideas when NASA might update its launch schedule? |
Playalinda Member Posts: 152 From: Peoria, AZ, USA Registered: Oct 2009
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posted 06-08-2010 03:14 PM
I would like to know if this newest schedule from NASA is the real final last flight? I know that STS-135 might be the very, very last flight! Earlier in the year it was Mid-Sept. and now it's Mid-Nov with another change possible for STS-135 not yet announced. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 06-08-2010 03:24 PM
For now, STS-135 does not exist. It is only a proposal at this point, nothing more.STS-134 is at present the final scheduled space shuttle mission, and it is, as shown on NASA's website, currently targeted for no earlier than mid-November. That date is a target only and is likely to change. |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 06-09-2010 01:17 PM
Indeed Robert... however there are new delays for the final two shuttle missions. Discovery could be delayed until October. Endeavour now likely to move to January or even February of 2011. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 06-09-2010 01:25 PM
The delays referenced in the Florida Today article (cited by the linked Universe Today article) are not new. They have been known since before NASA announced the mid-November target for STS-134. STS-133 and STS-134 have not however, been officially rescheduled yet, which is what Julian (Playalinda) was asking. There is also the possibility that STS-133 and STS-134 may switch flight order again. |
Fezman92 Member Posts: 1031 From: New Jersey, USA Registered: Mar 2010
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posted 06-09-2010 02:45 PM
And naturally we won't know anything new until late August/early September for STS-133 and late October/early November for STS-134 right? |
Jay Chladek Member Posts: 2272 From: Bellevue, NE, USA Registered: Aug 2007
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posted 06-10-2010 12:19 AM
Of course if the schedule slipped the last launch to April of 2011, that would make the 30th anniversary of STS-1 all that more a nice event to celebrate.Hey Robert, how about next year having a Yuri, John and Bob's Night! |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 06-22-2010 04:18 PM
Space.com: NASA Seeks to Delay Final Two Shuttle Flights Under the proposed change, the final scheduled flight of the shuttle Discovery, the STS-133 mission currently slated for a Sept. 16 launch, would slip to Oct. 29. That delay would in turn push the last planned shuttle mission, the November flight of Endeavour on the STS-134 mission, to Feb. 28, 2011."The change request will be reviewed by all affected parties -- the space station program, the astronaut office, mission controllers," NASA spokesperson Mike Curie told SPACE.com from the agency's headquarters in Washington, D.C. "It's being discussed but there has been no decision made yet." A final decision on whether to push back the flights will be made July 1, he said. |
mjanovec Member Posts: 3811 From: Midwest, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 06-22-2010 04:52 PM
If October 29 and February 28 end up being the dates of the final two launches, are we looking at them being day launches, night launches, or a mix of both? |
Ben Member Posts: 1896 From: Cape Canaveral, FL Registered: May 2000
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posted 06-22-2010 04:57 PM
Oct 29 and Feb 28 would both be about 50 minutes prior to sunset. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 06-22-2010 05:08 PM
Per Bill Harwood (CBS/Spaceflight Now): Assuming an Oct. 29 target date, Discovery would blast off at 5:44 p.m. and dock with the station the afternoon of Oct. 31. Two spacewalks would be carried out Nov. 2 and 4. Discovery would undock the morning of Nov. 7 and land back at the Kennedy Space Center the afternoon of Nov. 9.Endeavour, commanded by Mark Kelly, would blast off around 5:31 p.m. on Feb. 28 to deliver critical supplies and a $1.5 billion physics experiment to the space station. |
Fezman92 Member Posts: 1031 From: New Jersey, USA Registered: Mar 2010
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posted 06-22-2010 06:50 PM
How do changes in launch dates affect the crew's mission training?
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Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-01-2010 10:22 AM
NASA release NASA Updates Shuttle Target Launch Dates For Final Two FlightsNASA is targeting approximately 4:33 p.m. EDT on Nov. 1 for the launch of space shuttle Discovery's STS-133 mission and 4:19 p.m. EST on Feb. 26, 2011, for the liftoff of shuttle Endeavour's STS-134 flight from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. The target dates were adjusted because critical payload hardware for STS-133 will not be ready in time to support the previously planned Sept. 16 launch. With STS-133 moving to November, STS-134 cannot fly as planned, so the next available launch window is in February 2011. NASA will schedule the official launch date for each mission following the agency's Flight Readiness Reviews, which typically occur about two weeks prior to launches. All target launch dates are subject to change. |
apolloprojeckt Member Posts: 1447 From: Arnhem, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 07-02-2010 12:01 AM
Oh that is great news. Why don't they launch the last mission on April 4 or 5 2011 and land on April 12 and close the shuttle period of exactly 30 years... that would be a nice idea. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-21-2010 04:38 PM
The Flight Dynamics Office at the Johnson Space Center today refined the launch time for the space shuttle Endeavour's STS-134 mission on Feb. 26, 2011. Lift off is now targeted for 4:04 p.m. EST.
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moorouge Member Posts: 2454 From: U.K. Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 08-03-2010 09:06 AM
Heaven forbid that this should happen - but what if the last shuttle fails? Does anyone know if NASA has plans to schedule a replacement mission or will those tasks due to be undertaken be shifted to Soyuz flights? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-03-2010 09:13 AM
As of now, the final shuttle flight is STS-134, which payload is the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer (AMS) and the third ExPRESS Logistics Carrier (ELC) to the International Space Station.Were the shuttle to be lost before reaching the space station... The AMS is one-of-a-kind, there is no flight ready back-up, and so were it lost, there would be no follow-up actions to be taken. The ELC carries spare equipment to the station, which could be launched if needed on HTV and SpaceX's Dragon (the spares, not the carrier). Were the shuttle to be damaged but able to reach the station... Atlantis will be standing ready to fly as a launch-on-need (LON) vehicle to rescue the crew but unlike prior LON flights, will also have in its payload bay a multi-purpose logistics module to restock the station after its supplies have been depleted by the shuttle crew taking safe haven. If Atlantis' LON mission is added to the manifest as a standalone flight, then rescue of the crew would fall to Soyuz (details are being worked out with the Russians now) but another shuttle flight would not be scheduled. |