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Topic: Astronaut Wives Club (ABC 2015 TV series)
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Delta7 Member Posts: 1505 From: Bluffton IN USA Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 07-24-2015 05:56 PM
So having watched last night's episode, did Al Shepard really get into a brawl with a punk in an alley outside a bar? I find that really far-fetched even for the usual Hollywood dramatization... |
dss65 Member Posts: 1156 From: Sandpoint, ID, USA Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 07-24-2015 06:23 PM
I certainly don't know the answer to your question, but I am definitely of the impression that this series, while entertaining, is getting more and more deeply into fiction by the week. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-24-2015 07:52 PM
collectSPACE 'The Astronaut Wives Club': Space history vs. Hollywood in Episode 6 'In the Blind'It was out with the old (astronauts) and in with the new (spacecraft) in "In the Blind," the sixth hour of ABC's ten-part series "The Astronaut Wives Club." In the episode, which aired Thursday night (July 23), Alan Shepard, John Glenn and Scott Carpenter, along with their wives Louise, Annie and Rene, struggled to make a life for themselves after returning from space, while Ed White and Ed Dwight sought to find their place in it. "John Glenn has his sights set on a political career and hits the campaign trail with wife Annie and Rene Carpenter by his side as he runs for the Ohio senate," ABC wrote as its episode synopsis, "while Alan Shepard quietly grapples with a personal matter that could ground his career." |
Kestrel72 Member Posts: 11 From: Charlotte, NC Registered: Apr 2015
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posted 07-25-2015 12:44 PM
One other thing I noticed during the show was they kept referring to Gus Grissom as "Lt. Col. Grissom" (it even said so on his office door), but Grissom wasn't promoted to Lt. Col until AFTER the flight of Gemini 4, when McDivitt and White got spot promotions from LBJ himself, which retroactively applied to Grissom and Young. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-25-2015 12:50 PM
quote: Originally posted by Delta7: ...did Al Shepard really get into a brawl with a punk in an alley outside a bar?
I wasn't able to find any supporting information for such a fight, but I also wasn't able to rule it out, hence it didn't make it in the article. My feeling is that it was a fictional device to bridge Shepard's reluctance to seeing a doctor. |
GT76 Member Posts: 24 From: River Ridge, La. USA Registered: Jun 2015
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posted 07-29-2015 12:52 PM
My wife also watches the program. She asks me a lot "what happens next?"In this last episode, Scott and Rene are in Bermuda, on the beach at night during the flight of Gemini 3 when Scott says "Gus is up there." The launch of GT-3 was at 9:24 AM EST, and the flight lasted 4 hours 52 minutes. The local time in Bermuda at the end of the flight would be about 2:30 PM, before nightfall. |
MCroft04 Member Posts: 1634 From: Smithfield, Me, USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 07-29-2015 09:16 PM
My wife asks me at least 5 or 6 times each episode; "Did that really happen?" I'm actually enjoying this series realizing that a lot of it is made up. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-31-2015 04:00 PM
collectSPACE 'The Astronaut Wives Club': Space history vs. Hollywood in Episode 7 'Rendezvous'The conceit behind "The Astronaut Wives Club" is that the real events of America's space program play out as a setting for the show's characters — women who are (loosely) based on the actual spouses of NASA's Mercury, Gemini and Apollo spacemen. But in "Rendezvous," the seventh episode of ABC's ten-part series, the real space history demands to be front and center, and the show's need to push it to the background results in it missing pivotal parts of the actual AstroWives' experiences. The problems are even caught in ABC's synopsis for the episode... |
jasonelam Member Posts: 691 From: Monticello, KY USA Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 07-31-2015 09:45 PM
Been watching this since episode 1, and I enjoy reading the "A-OK!" Vs "Abort!" Recap articles (Thank you, Robert). This last one was a little difficult, especially the last scene. I've had a few of my friends ask me about whether certain things happened in real life that are covered in the series, and it's been interesting telling them while a lot of it is made up or out of sync, some of it is part of the real story. One thing I have noticed is that at the end of episode 7 we are to the Apollo 1 fire and have only three episodes left. Looks like this is a one and done series if you ask me. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-31-2015 10:13 PM
The series was planned from the start as a "limited event," with only 10 episodes. The actors have already moved onto other projects.Glad you're enjoying the reviews! |
canyon42 Member Posts: 238 From: Ohio Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 08-03-2015 05:03 PM
One question: the review for the latest episode notes that Grissom hung a lemon from the Apollo 1 spacecraft. I thought it was actually the simulator rather than the spacecraft. Am I remembering that wrong? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-03-2015 05:08 PM
I found multiple accounts, ranging from the simulator to the actual spacecraft, and the lemon sitting atop it or hanging from the hatch. If anyone can point to a definitive source, I'd be happy to make a correction, if needed. |
stsmithva Member Posts: 1933 From: Fairfax, VA, USA Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 08-03-2015 05:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by MCroft04: My wife asks me at least 5 or 6 times each episode; "Did that really happen?" I'm actually enjoying this series realizing that a lot of it is made up.
Exactly my experience and my sentiments. My wife (already highly interested in space program history) is actually a more enthusiastic viewer than I am, but I do enjoy it. Very well acted, and while of course we'd like it to be 100% accurate, it doesn't veer into crazy soap opera land.
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canyon42 Member Posts: 238 From: Ohio Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 08-03-2015 06:13 PM
I just looked in a couple of books on my shelf. Chaikin's "A Man on the Moon" claims it was the simulator, while Murray and Cox's "Apollo" agrees while noting "Later, the story would spread that Grissom had hung a lemon on 012 as a sign of his disgust with it. Apparently he in fact hung the lemon on Riley McCafferty's simulator at the Cape, not the spacecraft." However, neither of them cite a source, so I can't vouch for the veracity of it. At least I know where I heard it, though. |
jasonelam Member Posts: 691 From: Monticello, KY USA Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 08-03-2015 08:07 PM
Found this is the NASA detailed biography of Gus, referenced from Betty Grissom's book "Starfall": On January 22, 1967, Grissom made a brief stop at home before returning to the Cape. A citrus tree grew in their backyard with lemons on it as big as grapefruits. Gus yanked the largest lemon he could find off of the tree. Betty had no idea what he was up to and asked what he planned to do with the lemon. "I'm going to hang it on that spacecraft," Gus said grimly and kissed her goodbye. Betty knew that Gus would be unable to return home before the crew conducted the plugs out test on January 27, 1967. What she did not know was that January 22 would be "the last time he was here at the house." |
Delta7 Member Posts: 1505 From: Bluffton IN USA Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 08-05-2015 08:12 AM
I've gotta laugh a bit at the depiction of Dr. Charles Berry as a somber "Doctor Doom" showing up at astronauts doorsteps as the bearer of bad news. Porkpie hat and all. I believe it was John Young who actually drove to Elliot See's house to tell Marylin about her husband's death. Not sure why they felt they had to change that. Also they put the See/Bassett accident before Gemini 7, kind of odd because See was actually a capcom for the joint Gemini 6/7 missions. And does anyone else think the bald guy who plays the astronaut's handler/P.R, guy looks like Robert Gilruth? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-05-2015 08:23 AM
As noted though, Dr. Berry was (in real life) dispatched to Betty Grissom's home to inform her of Gus' death, so he did serve that role at least once. |
p51 Member Posts: 1642 From: Olympia, WA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 08-05-2015 01:11 PM
C.C. Williams crashed a T-38 near Tallahassee in October of 67, a few months after the Apollo 1 fire. I wonder if that will be mentioned in the next episode? |
mach3valkyrie Member Posts: 719 From: Albany, Oregon Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 08-05-2015 07:18 PM
I doubt it. Ted Freeman was not mentioned at all. It looks like that first fatal accident and subsequent impact on the astronaut wives would have merited a few minutes worth of air time. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-07-2015 09:45 PM
collectSPACE 'The Astronaut Wives Club': Space history vs. Hollywood in Episode 8 'Abort'The eighth episode of ABC's 10-part series "The Astronaut Wives Club" dove into the aftermath of the Apollo 1 accident. On Jan. 27, 1967, astronauts Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee were tragically killed in a fire that broke out in their spacecraft during a routine test on the launch pad. Thursday's (Aug. 6) installment of "Astronaut Wives Club" primarily followed one of the wives in her attempt to come to terms with her husband's death. "Betty Grissom faces the grim reality that her husband, Gus, is gone," ABC wrote in its synopsis for the episode. "With Gus having died while preparing for a mission, Betty must move forward planning his funeral and a life without him. After receiving word that Gus' death may have been preventable, Betty is determined to get answers in Gus' death and embarks on a battle for justice." |
jasonelam Member Posts: 691 From: Monticello, KY USA Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 08-08-2015 07:34 AM
Just started the latest episode, and immediately caught another possible "Abort!". During the funeral scene there are several shots of Pat White, who appears to be at Arlington. Was she at the Arlington ceremony? If memory serves me correct Ed White was being buried at West Point on the same day. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-08-2015 10:05 AM
According to Lily Koppel, Pat White attended all three funerals: Pat was the only Apollo 1 fire widow who went to all three services: Gus's first, Roger's next, then two hours later she was on a plane bound for West Point. |
jasonelam Member Posts: 691 From: Monticello, KY USA Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 08-08-2015 10:41 AM
That makes sense. Thank you! |
Fra Mauro Member Posts: 1586 From: Bethpage, N.Y. Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 08-08-2015 07:42 PM
Ok, despite my previous post, I gave in and watched the two episodes dealing with Apollo 1. Interesting I admit, especially to those who aren't famliar with the space program but it's basically melodramatic historical fiction for the prime time mentality. Two things I found amusing: Mrs. Grissom looks like Amy Adams and Alan Shepard usually looks like he wants to throw a wrench at somebody |
p51 Member Posts: 1642 From: Olympia, WA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 08-08-2015 08:57 PM
Deke Slayton's special astronaut pin had me baffled.Did she not know what it was for? I'd always read that the wives from Apollo 1 already knew about it before the fire. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-08-2015 09:34 PM
They did (as mentioned in this week's review). The show changed the story (for reasons unknown, but part of it may have been keep Betty front and center). |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-11-2015 03:45 PM
An astute reader noticed three problems with the show's recreation of the Mercury six at Gus Grissom's funeral: - As documented (and pictured) by LIFE magazine, Deke Slayton was dressed in civilian clothes that day, as he was formally representing NASA.
- In the real line-up, it was Glenn, Shepard, Cooper, Carpenter and John Young. (For reasons unknown, the series decided not to cast an actor as Young.)
- Wally Schirra was absent from the salute — but why? Where was Schirra that day and why wasn't he with his fellow Mercury astronauts?
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p51 Member Posts: 1642 From: Olympia, WA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 08-11-2015 04:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by Robert Pearlman: They did (as mentioned in this week's review). The show changed the story (for reasons unknown, but part of it may have been keep Betty front and center).
I didn't read the review, I guess I need to read these in the future.What about the paraphrasing of Frank Borman's testimony to the House of Representatives? Wasn't the mention, "We're all to blame," naming everyone responsible including himself made by Borman in that hearing and not in public like shown at the end of the episode? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-11-2015 05:00 PM
Shepard delivered a similar speech at the MR-3 sixth anniversary party ("All of us here tonight jointly share in the responsibilities...") so the show may have been paraphrasing both of them. |
mach3valkyrie Member Posts: 719 From: Albany, Oregon Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 08-11-2015 10:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by Robert Pearlman: Wally Schirra was absent from the salute — but why?
At Gus Grissom's funeral, Wally Schirra stood beside Betty Grissom during the service and escorted her to and from the limousine. That's why he didn't appear with the rest of his Mercury colleagues and John Young for the salute.Gene Cernan performed a similar duty for Roger Chaffee's widow, Martha. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-12-2015 07:34 AM
Ah, thanks. Makes perfect sense. |
p51 Member Posts: 1642 From: Olympia, WA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 08-14-2015 05:26 PM
I find it odd that parts of the series were very well done and authentic (the sets, props, civilian costumes and cars, etc) yet they used a L-39 eastern block trainer to stand in for a T-38 (an airplane which should be pretty easy to find). There is an odd balance of "they got that looking right" with, "Good grief, I have better looking stuff hanging in my closet right now!" |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-14-2015 06:17 PM
collectSPACE 'The Astronaut Wives Club': Space history vs. Hollywood in Episode 9 'The Dark Side'The penultimate episode of ABC's "The Astronaut Wives Club" explored "The Dark Side" of being a spaceman's spouse, as the ninth hour was titled. The 10-part docudrama's second-to-last installment, which aired Thursday (Aug. 13), focused on the wives' fears and struggles with losing their loved ones — whether it was to divorce, surgery, war or to an in-space accident. "Wally's career at NASA ends, and Jo must redefine her role and priorities. Louise wrestles with the fear of losing her husband as Alan considers undergoing risky surgery that will determine his future. Susan Borman grapples with uncertainty as the Apollo 8 mission goes where no man has been before," ABC's wrote in its synopsis. |
dogcrew5369 Member Posts: 750 From: Statesville, NC Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 08-14-2015 07:39 PM
The last episode didn't air in my area. A dang football game was on. My dvr hasn't recorded it so I'm up in the air if I'll get to see it. Last one and miss it! Oh brother. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-14-2015 07:42 PM
You can watch the episode online via ABC's website. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-21-2015 12:07 PM
collectSPACE 'The Astronaut Wives Club': Space history vs. Hollywood in Ep. 10 'Landing' (finale)The spouses of America's first spacemen flew off into the sunset on Thursday night (Aug. 20) — or at least one of them did — on the final episode of ABC's "The Astronaut Wives Club." The tenth hour of the ten-part docudrama, titled "Landing," was set between two of the most famous space missions in history. "It is 1969, and Apollo 11's historic moon landing is cause for worldwide celebration and a high point for the Astro-families," ABC described in its synopsis for the final week of the summer event series based on author Lily Koppel's bestseller by the same title. "The wives are interviewed for a television documentary on the space program, Gordo is passed over for the next mission, and Trudy faces some big decisions about her personal and professional future. Betty finds a powerful way to honor Gus's legacy and [to] advocate for change. In April 1970, the nation watches the fraught voyage of Apollo 13." The episode stands out for a noticeable inclusion: the only real-life member of an "Astro-family" to make a cameo on the "Astronaut Wives Club." Rosemary Roosa, daughter of Apollo 14 command module pilot Stuart Roosa, appears at the gala celebrating Apollo 11's success. |
Silent Sea Member Posts: 36 From: Registered: Mar 2015
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posted 08-21-2015 10:49 PM
Did anyone else hear the "One small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind?" I thought that rather odd/interesting that they left in the "a" between "for" and "man." I enjoyed the last episode overall though, definitely one of my favorites (errors pointed out in Robert's article aside); it's been an entertaining show and I'll miss watching it. |
mode1charlie Member Posts: 1169 From: Honolulu, HI Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 08-22-2015 06:53 AM
No, it wasn't perfectly historically accurate. They did get the broad brushes mostly right, and thanks to Robert for his meticulous fact-checking.Yes, it was a bit cheesy. But this is network TV, not HBO. It has a certain value in at least presenting some facsimile of this part of American history to a public that knows almost zero about it. If it makes them just a little more interested and aware of that moment in time, that's a good thing. |
mach3valkyrie Member Posts: 719 From: Albany, Oregon Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 08-22-2015 09:06 PM
I echo mode1charlie's comments. At least it keeps the memories alive for some and awakens new ones in others. |
stsmithva Member Posts: 1933 From: Fairfax, VA, USA Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 08-24-2015 07:37 AM
During the scene when the astronaut wives are at the Lovell home, listening to the squawk box before the accident, they hear the voice of America's only bachelor astronaut. Here's the line that follows:Astronaut wife: "Jack Swigert... he'll be even more eligible after he walks on the moon." AAAAAAARRRGGHHHHH! SPACE NERD RAGE!!! If it was said by some newcomer, and an astronaut wife patiently explained that only two of the astronauts would be walking on the moon while the Command Module Pilot would remain in lunar orbit, that would have been OK. But nope. |