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Topic: Total manhours on the Apollo Project
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holcombeyates Member Posts: 253 From: UK Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 11-25-2015 04:54 AM
Does anyone have any solid numbers to help me on the following topic please...I am doing a presentation to schools and universities and want to underline how much effort was put into the Apollo program on the ground — as inspiration for the next generation of engineers and scientists. - How many man-hours were expended in total by all contractors and NASA personnel on the Apollo Program to get a man onto the moon (not including post Apollo 17 missions).
- How many hours were spend training for a single lunar missions (prime crew only).
- Total hours that were spend on the lunar surface on EVA (I count 15 surface EVAs including Scott's SEVA).
Be an interesting ratio. |
Tykeanaut Member Posts: 2216 From: Worcestershire, England, UK. Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 11-25-2015 05:11 AM
Very roughly I calculate about 80 hours of lunar EVAs, not sure if this includes Scott's SEVA though? |
NukeGuy Member Posts: 55 From: Irvine, CA USA Registered: May 2014
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posted 11-25-2015 10:00 AM
I used two methods to estimate the manhours expended on Project Apollo.First, the cost of $25 billion dollars at $10000 dollars per man-year. This gives 2.5 million man-years. Since not all expenses went to salaries, this is an upper bound. I would guess about 1/3 to 1/2 went to salaries. So this estimate yields (roughly) 1-1.5 million man-years. Second, I looked at annual NASA plus contractor employment. Adding up the years 1960-1969, I get about 2.2 million man-years. Pretty close to the gross estimate arrived at earlier. I would guess that about 70-80% of NASA employment of those years went towards Apollo. This gives a rough figure of about 1.5 million man-years. So I would say approximately 1.5 million man-years. |
moorouge Member Posts: 2458 From: U.K. Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 11-25-2015 10:44 AM
Lunar surface times, except where noted are - Apollo 11 - 3h 47m; Apollo 12 - 14h 35m; Apollo 14 - 17h 19m; Apollo 15 - 34h 47m; Apollo 16 (depress to repress timing) - 39h 40m; Apollo 17 (depress to repress timing) - 44h 10m.This makes a total for both astronauts on the lunar surface of 154h 18m (+ or - a couple of minutes either way). Perhaps it is worth mentioning the darker side of Apollo. As Apollo reached its climax and started to decline in the changing political climate of the Nixon years, so in Brevard County did the social and moral standards of the population. Around Cape Canaveral there was an abnormally high incidence of drink related problems. Divorces increased to a point where they were double the national average and there was a ten percent illegitimacy rate. Adultery, prostitution and wife swapping became so commonplace that they barely got mentioned in the local gossip. Much of this was put down to the 'millionth of an inch' complex where the pressure to work to accuracies hitherto unheard of caused many to fail under the strain. Then there was the money. Even painters were taking home as much as £250 per week (again 1960 values). And what was there to spend it on when one had bought everything? Besides a fourteen hour day left precious little time for anything else. Without a social awareness of the problems, almost no attempt was made to combat it with the provision of either community amenities or support groups. Boredom reigned with the results described above. |
Headshot Member Posts: 891 From: Vancouver, WA, USA Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 11-25-2015 12:34 PM
This is a hard question to answer.Should the efforts of Project Gemini be included? After all, its objective were to develop operational procedures (like rendezvous and docking techniques) to support Apollo's mission to land astronauts on the Moon. The same question goes for the Ranger and Surveyor programs, which were folded into Apollo after Kennedy's May 1961 declaration. As far as training is concerned, one must included training for both the prime and back-up crews, not just the prime crew alone. Don't forget Collins and Lovell were switched between Apollos 8 and 11, Mattingly and Swigert between Apollos 13 and 16. |
Blackarrow Member Posts: 3160 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 11-26-2015 05:00 PM
This reminds me a bit of the statistics which are sometimes trotted out to show that some military mission has cost X million dollars/pounds/euros. Perhaps sending a navy ship to a foreign location has cost X million. What always has to be born in mind is that if that ship had not been sent there, the crew would still have been paid, wherever they were, and there would still be a price for the upkeep of the ship.400,000 people are said to have worked on Apollo. If they hadn't, they would have been working on something else. Or they would have been unemployed and drawing an income from the state. |
holcombeyates Member Posts: 253 From: UK Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 11-30-2015 12:26 PM
Thanks for this info gents, very useful.Using the numbers above and as a very rough rule of thumb I get 10,000 hours expended to every hour on the lunar surface. Obviously this is very rough and open to interpretation, but illustrates the efforts input on the ground and just how precious time out on the lunar surface was. |
Solarplexus Member Posts: 110 From: Norway Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 11-30-2015 04:41 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but am not sure that is correct. If you have 10,000 work hours for every of the 154 hours on the Moon, that will be a total of 1,540,000 work hours. As stated above there was a total of about 1.5 mill man years(!) of work on the Apollo project. One work year is about 1800 hours or so. Then we get (calc not head) 2,700,000,000 work hours. Divide that with the 154 hours on the Moon, we get circus 17,500,000 work hours for every astronaut hour on the surface of the Moon. |
holcombeyates Member Posts: 253 From: UK Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 12-02-2015 07:42 AM
You are right. My mistake, a huge schoolboy error on my part.Its an impressive ratio. We could also divide that manhour total by the total KG of rocks brought back. |
Solarplexus Member Posts: 110 From: Norway Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 12-02-2015 09:36 AM
Yes it is impressive, but you were almost right. If you had wrote 10,000 work years for every astronaut hour on the moon that would be right. Actually a man and one single line of descendants had to work from this age:...until 1972 for that single hour. |
holcombeyates Member Posts: 253 From: UK Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 12-07-2015 08:05 AM
Love the picture! So we have (very approximately): - 1,753,246 man-hours for every hour of Lunar EVA.
- 706,806 man-hours for every kg of moon rock.
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Solarplexus Member Posts: 110 From: Norway Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 12-07-2015 11:29 AM
Good old Buster Keaton. Total amount of moon rocks brought back from the moon was ca. 382 kilos (842 pounds), divided on 2,700,000,000 Apollo Project man hours, will give a total of 7,068,062 man hours for every kilo or 3,206,650 hours for every pound moon rocks.And the total man hours for every astronaut moon EVA hour is ca. 17,5 million not 1,75 million. Big numbers, easy to get a digit wrong. For the fun of it, the total cost of the Apollo project was reported by NASA in 1973 (Wikipedia) to be 25.4 billion dollars. Inflation taken into consideration from 1966 (middle of project) to 2015 (ca. 7.4 times, DollarTimes.com Inflation calc.) will give ca. 188 billion dollars in to days money. That mean that one minute of the astronauts moon EVAs had a total value of ca. 20 million dollars in today's money value. |
Jonnyed Member Posts: 408 From: Dumfries, VA, USA Registered: Aug 2014
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posted 12-08-2015 08:08 PM
I'm an avid golfer so I'm wondering (wry smile) what were the "greens fees" to get Alan Shepard out on the lunar course for a couple of shots? |
NukeGuy Member Posts: 55 From: Irvine, CA USA Registered: May 2014
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posted 12-11-2015 12:35 PM
I took another look at my earlier estimate of 1.5 million man-years. What I did was total up the NASA budget from 1961 to 1969 and divided this sum by the Apollo program cost of $25 billion. This gave me a fraction of NASA man-hours devoted to Apollo of 73%. Which is within the range I estimated of 70-80%. However, Wikipedia notes that Apollo accounted for 60% of NASA's 1966 budget, which is near the peak of the program. Perhaps the difference is that I neglected inflation of the 1960's. On the other hand, I am also neglecting post-1969 Apollo efforts. Still, I expect these simplifications to partially offset one another, giving a result not significantly different from 1.5 million man-years. |
moorouge Member Posts: 2458 From: U.K. Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 12-11-2015 02:55 PM
If one accepts that 350,000 workers were engaged in the Apollo programme (400,000 quoted at its peak), then 1.5 million man years means that each worker spent just 5 years actually working on the project. |