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buckky
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posted 01-17-2014 03:37 AM
   
I'll bet dollars to donuts most of you have never seen the following Apollo 12 Lunar Receiving Lab photographs. They were taken by my uncle. He can just be seen (on the left, cut in half) taking 3817 in this NASA photo.I thought I would share this photo set before I get to my questions.  
More photos: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 |
Jeff
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posted 01-17-2014 07:04 AM
First off, welcome to the cS community. I'm sure many others on this site will agree that those are amazing... and I'd like to thank you for sharing them with us. |
buckky
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posted 01-17-2014 09:14 AM
Thanks for the welcome. I'm glad you like the pics. My questions start with one about this photo from the series:  Is that Richard Underwood in the photo (holding the roll of film)? Was he really so grey in 69? I find no photos of him from that time period online. If its not him, who is it? Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me out. It's relevant to an item I wish to learn more about (the film he is holding). Further questions will come in a new topic, as this is the only question I have about this photo set itself. |
Headshot
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posted 01-17-2014 10:36 AM
I particularly like the ones with Surveyor 3's television camera.Thank you so much for sharing these treasures with us. |
Paul78zephyr
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posted 01-17-2014 03:11 PM
Clearly Dickie-Dickie took the time to make sure his hair was PERFECT. |
sts205cdr
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posted 01-17-2014 03:27 PM
My first thought was that it sure looks like Charlie Duke, the man obscured by the lady in the photo. |
Jeff
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posted 01-17-2014 03:47 PM
I thought the exact same thing...look at photo number 15 above... almost looks like the conversation rolled into the MOCR. And that sure looks like Charlie to me. |
Tom
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posted 01-17-2014 05:20 PM
Great photos... thanks for sharing!In photos 16 and 18 you can see the scar over Al Bean's right eye (where camera hit him upon splashdown). |
Henry Heatherbank
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posted 01-17-2014 05:23 PM
Some of these photos (3819 esp.) show rare glimpses of Conrad's tattoo from his USN days on his left forearm. |
moorouge
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posted 01-18-2014 02:29 AM
My favourite is photo #9. Conrad is clearly saying, "I told you it was cheese."(To appreciate the humour one will have to have spent some time trawling the backwaters of astronaut folklore.) |
heng44
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posted 01-18-2014 08:22 AM
I agree: excellent photos and very unique. I think that is Terry Slezak in 3819. |
heng44
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posted 01-18-2014 09:09 AM
Can you tell us your uncle's name? I want to download these photos for my personal files and I want to credit them correctly. |
buckky
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posted 01-18-2014 10:48 AM
Photo credit - David Royal. I should have done that in the first place. |
buckky
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posted 01-18-2014 11:05 AM
That is for sure Mr. Slezak as he has credit for S69-62291 practically simultaneous with 3817. camera crossfire  It was thrilling finding David in the NASA photo even if he is just half in frame. |
Philip
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posted 01-18-2014 11:10 AM
Thanks for this superb insight, great photo of Conrad checking out the Surveyor III camera.All info is described in NASA SP-284 - Analysis of Surveyor III Material and Photographs Returned by Apollo 12. |
buckky
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posted 01-18-2014 12:08 PM
Can anyone help me out with #11 aka 3825? I would love to have a positive ID on the man (holding film). |
ozspace
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posted 01-19-2014 12:19 AM
Looks like three of those four people appear in 3829, could be Duke. I am surprised they are examining these samples on a desk, I had assumed all samples were kept in a vacuum or Nitrogen environment, other that smaller pieces taken out for specific testing on distribution... |
One Big Monkey
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posted 01-19-2014 03:56 AM
Absolutely fantastic photographs - they deserve more prominence.I'm particularly intrigued this one. It looks like they're printing out Magazine V with the first one being this photo. Is it printing two copies of each image? |
heng44
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posted 01-19-2014 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by buckky:
Can anyone help me out with #11 aka 3825? I would love to have a positive ID on the man (holding film).
I don't think that is Underwood in photo 3825. Look at this portrait. |
buckky
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posted 01-19-2014 11:09 AM
I think the duplication is because of the fact the the photo is one of a pair, as are many, to be able to make 3d images out of, or at least be able to make good range estimates. AS12-47-6910 and AS12-47-6911 (seen in the photo being printed) are examples of this. In other words I think its one of each, but there are many that are in deliberately similar pairs. I could be wrong, but it would explain it. |
buckky
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posted 01-19-2014 11:23 AM
Does anyone have a date on the above linked portrait of Mr. Underwood? Because the man in the photo looks like the later portrait of him to be found on the web. I'll admit he would have have been really grey for his age, but that does happen. It might come down to someone who knew him at the time. Unfortunately accounts by my family members are either unavailable or not reliable, as is often the case.Who could it be? It's no doubt someone who worked in the photo lab. It's a fun game. |
Headshot
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posted 01-19-2014 11:44 AM
Nice call, One Big Monkey, on identifying the first image(s) coming off the photo-drying roller. |
One Big Monkey
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posted 01-19-2014 01:44 PM
Thanks Headshot. I've been looking in more detail at the photographs you can see, and I have to respectfully disagree with buckky! AS12-47-6910 has a substantial amount of LM leg and foot visible, and this isn't there on the two images we can see clearly. What I then did was get all of the first four frames on the roller and put them next to each other, it appears to me that they are a series of photographs at different levels of exposure. I'm no expert so I don't know the terminology, but they appear to be progressively darker versions of the same photograph. I've put a link below to what I did, and the final 'dark' image (there isn't a totally dark one on that magazine) is one I've adjusted the brightness on. You can just make out the bright foil of the LM descent stage and the white piece of equipment on the ground.  The one we only see part of is probably the one that made it into the public domain, as it shows the most amount of surface detail. For the record, the other image we see further along the roll is AS12-47-6949:  And the partial one we see after this again seems to be the same photograph (the lens flare is the same). Thanks again for posting these — they're a great insight into the post-landing stuff! |
J.L
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posted 01-21-2014 09:35 AM
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Who could it be? It's no doubt someone who worked in the photo lab.
Photo was taken in Photo Lab at Building 8. (L-R) are Ludy Benjamin, Darrell Royal (legendary Univ. of Texas football coach), and Charlie Duke. I presume the woman may be Mrs. Royal. I am also guessing that David Royal (who took the picture) is related to Coach Royal. |
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posted 01-21-2014 11:24 AM
Wow, awesome! I think I stand corrected on the prints in the photo.Thanks a million with the identification of Ludy Benjamin. I was off the mark with that one too, but that's why I'm here, to learn. Again, awesome. I get the feeling from the reactions here that I should give the images a proper website so others can find them. If anyone wants to contribute more information about any of them, I will gladly include it in the descriptions when the site gets put together. Also feel free to copy and redistribute.
Thanks to J.L, One Big monkey, heng44, and everyone else for helping. |
One Big Monkey
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posted 01-27-2014 01:08 PM
I certainly think they deserve their own site, and I also think they deserve a place on (for example) the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal.I'd like if possible to use the one of the photographs being printed on my own site. It's aimed at debunking the hoaxer idiots, and I have a section on the photography process. |
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posted 01-28-2014 10:57 AM
Yes, please feel free to publish. Photo credit- David Royal.Good luck with the debunking, I'm afraid you could drag the hoaxers to the moon and throw them out into the near vacuum and they would still never believe that its possible. |
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