Posts: 110 From: San Antonio, TX Registered: Jan 2006
posted 12-06-2012 05:15 PM
40 years ago tonight (Dec. 6, 2012), clad in my pajamas and curled up in my favorite quilt, I parked in front of a 1969 Zenith Color Console and watched a Saturn V rocket bathed in bright spotlights. I was finally old enough to appreciate just what an expedition to the Moon really meant, in terms of both technical prowess and faded national will. Yet here we were at what NBC News called "the beginning of the end" for Apollo.
I had watched Tracy Cernan, Apollo 17 Commander Gene Cernan's daughter, who was not much younger than me, give an interview on the Today Show. I had my Marx Toys Johnny Apollo, and his erector set-built lunar rover standing by, but we had to get into, then out of, Earth orbit first.
The only night launch of a manned moon flight became a long night. As the excitement built, in the way only a manned flight away from Earth can, there was a big burp. At T-minus thirty seconds, the sequence halted. For over two and a half hours the NASA team troubleshot what turned out to be a small error, while a school kid from mid-Missouri got more and more sleepy.
I remember dozing in and out, still mostly seeing the white rocket sitting next to its red tower... and then something broke through my haze: it was the deep baritone of a public affairs officer saying "eleven, ten, nine...!" The haze of 11:33 PM Central Standard Time faded immediately — it had already been a long week in Mrs. Mansfield's Sixth Grade class — and I tumbled upright into the glow of the screen.
The TV phosphors overloaded, and cheers went up across the Eastern U.S. as the superbooster's big exhausts made night into day. We were going to Moon! Real guys, including a rock scientist, were going to make a quick swing around the Earth... and then LEAVE!
In a few days we would watch a remotely operated camera come to life on another world, and actually see both men's faces on the lunar surface, instead of just their golden visors. And I would feel the first sadness of loss, as we experienced the final segment of our species' greatest achievement. Horribly, it would all become a lot of rediscovered scrapbook photos and later a great digital archive.
But 40 years ago tonight, the exhilaration, the pride, and the emotional boost of bittersweetness were satisfying and real. "Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17."
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53644 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
Apollo 17, the last of the missions to land men on the moon, began 40 years ago today with the dawning of a man-made sun.
Lifting off just after midnight (EST) on Dec. 7, 1972, the Apollo 17 mission was the final of NASA's moon-bound manned flights — and the first night launch. The massive, 363-foot tall (111 meters) Saturn V rocket turned night into day as the long flames from its five powerful F-1 engines bathed the dark sky with a brilliant, bright-as-the-sun light that appeared to spectators to slowly climb skyward from the Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral, Florida.
Ronpur Member
Posts: 1260 From: Brandon, Fl Registered: May 2012
posted 12-07-2012 11:13 PM
Great recollections John (Whizzo). Almost identical to mine, except I did not wake up! I cried, until I saw replays the next day!
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3780 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 12-08-2012 12:40 PM
The account by John (Whizzospace) brought back many memories. I sat up for a marathon session in front of the TV on the evening of Wednesday 6th December, 1972, to watch live coverage of the launch of Apollo 17. I had seen every launch live since Apollo 10, but this one would occur well past anyone's bedtime. Spare a thought for those of us living five time-zones to the east: for me, the time of launch was 2.53am but the BBC (bless them!) were going to show it live. I stayed up as they showed several space-related documentaries. Then came the final countdown and the dreaded words: "We have a cut-off!" I was gutted.
I had no idea how long it would be before a new launch time would be decided. Eventually, with no expectation of capturing the moment, the BBC cut the satellite-link and shut down for the night. I had to transfer my attentions to the radio. Then I dozed off.
Shortly after 5.30am, some sixth sense woke me up to the sound of NASA's Chuck Hollinshead counting down past the T-2 minute mark. So at least I got to hear the launch live on the radio, but after all the media build-up about how spectacular the night-launch would be, I felt like a blind man being shown the Mona Lisa.
And so, after getting confirmation of safe entry into orbit, I climbed the stairs to bed for about two hours sleep before having to get up for school. That's what you call a bittersweet memory.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3780 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 12-13-2012 05:21 PM
Tonight (13 December 2012) marks exactly 40 years since I last watched astronauts working on the surface of the Moon, live on TV. The third Apollo 17 EVA started on the evening of Wednesday 13th December, 1972. The BBC planned to cover the first part, and we did indeed see the preliminary work around "Challenger" as Cernan and Schmitt loaded up the rover.
The drive northwards to Station 6 obviously produced no TV, and the BBC's time on the transatlantic satellite relay was running out. Finally, live TV appeared again and for a few tantalising minutes I was able to watch the astronauts working on a very steep slope in the vicinity of a huge boulder (the "split rock" that produced memorable photographs). Suddenly it was all over. The BBC had to shut down its transmissions for the night. The only other TV channels (BBC 2 and ITV) had long since closed down. And that was the last time I saw live TV of men on the surface of the Moon. The next day would bring highlights of EVA 3 and of course the dramatic live coverage of "Challenger" launching back into lunar orbit, but I had seen my last views of those iconic white suits bouncing across the grey backdrop of the Moon. I miss those days.
Whizzospace Member
Posts: 110 From: San Antonio, TX Registered: Jan 2006
posted 12-13-2012 07:05 PM
So sad to think these were final moments.
I recall seeing a red/orange flag on top of a seismic charge, and CAPCOM asking what that object was in the background. For a fleeting moment, we thought, hmm, maybe an artifact from other alien visitors?
I clearly remember Jack Schmitt very excitedly saying "There is orange soil here!"
And I sadly recall those well-said final words that Captain Cernan speaks quite memorably in interviews.
The last real (as opposed to 'Internet-assisted') recall I have is the LRV TV camera briefly showing the empty descent stage. As a kid I remember thinking, "but there's no one left to look."
Whizzospace Member
Posts: 110 From: San Antonio, TX Registered: Jan 2006
posted 12-19-2012 12:07 PM
And 40 years ago today (Dec. 19, 2012), the last lunar crew splashed down, and came aboard the USS Ticonderoga. I do remember on deck coverage quite clearly, and just enjoyed re-watching Spacecraft Films' DVD version.
As naval officers and aviators, Capt. Cernan and Commander (soon to be captain) Evans were in a familiar world. Dr. Schmitt, speaking very briefly and jokingly, apologized for not being Navy, but noted he sure enjoyed being part of the team that day.
Still not sure if I like those old mustard-colored flight suits though.
Superb work, last Moon crew. "Godpseed the crew of Apollo 17."
posted 12-21-2012 06:48 AM
I had a Christmas party for my space club in school yesterday and we watched parts of "On the Shoulders of Giants" and "From the Earth to the Moon."
KSCartist Member
Posts: 3096 From: Titusville, FL Registered: Feb 2005
posted 06-29-2018 03:56 PM
A few months ago I was interviewed by Simon Warren (who owns a TV production company in the UK) about witnessing the Apollo 17 launch. He sent me a 7+ minute excerpt and gave me permission to share it.
Jeff Member
Posts: 623 From: Fayetteville, NC. USA Registered: May 2009
posted 06-29-2018 06:38 PM
Very cool.Thank you for sharing.
Rick Mulheirn Member
Posts: 4604 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
posted 06-30-2018 07:46 AM
Tim, I thoroughly enjoyed your cameo video. Was this part of a bigger production about the flight of Apollo 17 and are you able to shed any light on what it may be?
Tom Member
Posts: 1755 From: New York Registered: Nov 2000
posted 06-30-2018 03:11 PM
Great job Tim. Simon contacted me earlier this year to interview me regarding the Apollo 15 launch. Said he was putting a piece together that included firsthand accounts of those that witnessed Apollo lunar landing launches.
I wish our schedules could have worked out. Looking forward to the finished product!
KSCartist Member
Posts: 3096 From: Titusville, FL Registered: Feb 2005
posted 03-01-2020 10:20 AM
As mentioned above, a couple of years ago director Simon Sorted contacted me about sharing my memory of Apollo 17 for a short film he was working on, "Rocket Boy." A fantastic film people my age, heck enthusiasts of any age can relate to.
While my reminiscing didn't make the final movie, I am very grateful to Simon for capturing this so that my grandsons and one day their grandsons can see it.
I hope there is a reunion in 2022 at Kennedy Space Center for all of us who were inspired as children to follow our dreams.
Space Cadet Carl Member
Posts: 305 From: Lake Orion, MI Registered: Feb 2006
posted 03-04-2020 08:39 AM
One of my bigger regrets was not seeing a Saturn V launch in person. I've heard the stories of how the rocket would move so slowly off the pad and how the low frequency staccato would literally vibrate in your chest. A Space Shuttle launch just didn't seem to give the same intense effect.
ejectr Member
Posts: 2027 From: Killingly, CT Registered: Mar 2002
posted 12-08-2022 02:57 PM
This is pretty awesome!
Packed on board NASA's Orion spacecraft, now on its way back from orbiting the moon, is a small badge representing the last mission to land astronauts on the lunar surface.
The Apollo 17 mission patch, which was flown on the uncrewed Artemis I capsule at the request of the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum, is a souvenir from the 1972 flight that saw Gene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt become the 11th and 12th humans to walk on the moon, while their crewmate Ron Evans remained in lunar orbit. It was the sixth and, to date, final time astronauts stepped foot on a world other than Earth.
MikeSpace Member
Posts: 114 From: USA Registered: Jun 2020
posted 12-09-2022 11:48 AM
It's like seeing a sunrise/sunset in person, no film or photo will do it justice, you truly had to be there.
Sadly I was not, but I do remember watching the latter moonwalks on TV and being blown away. Ad astra...
mode1charlie Member
Posts: 1484 From: Honolulu, HI Registered: Sep 2010
posted 12-09-2022 01:13 PM
quote:Originally posted by Space Cadet Carl: One of my bigger regrets was not seeing a Saturn V launch in person.
You and me both, brother! Just as a fun thought experiment, I sometimes ponder "to when and where would I go if I could travel back in time?" - and a Saturn V launch is right up there in the top 5.
BA002 Member
Posts: 212 From: Utrecht,NL Registered: Feb 2007
posted 12-10-2022 12:39 PM
Five years ago Jack Schmitt returned to Norway for Starmus, 60 years after he studied there and the launch of Sputnik first awakened his interest in space exploration.
On the eve of the 50th anniversary of the final lunar landing of the Apollo program I have uploaded the great lecture he gave at the Trondheim library.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53644 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 12-10-2022 05:35 PM
Andrew Chaikin was Miles O'Brien's guest on PBS NewsHour:
The nearly month-long Artemis 1 mission to the Moon is slated to end on Sunday with a splashdown in the Pacific Ocean. On that very day 50 years ago, Dec. 11, 1972, the last Apollo astronauts set foot on the moon. Space historian Andy Chaikin, author of the definitive account of the Apollo missions "A Man on the Moon," joins Miles O'Brien to discuss the parallels.
Grounded! Member
Posts: 571 From: Bennington, Vermont, USA Registered: Feb 2011
posted 12-11-2022 07:02 AM
I have the shortcuts for both the Artemis splashdown and Apollo 17 in real time on my laptop, ready to go! There's plenty to keep me entertained on a snowy Vermont day
Tom Member
Posts: 1755 From: New York Registered: Nov 2000
posted 12-11-2022 09:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by KSCartist: I was interviewed by Simon Warren...
Can Simon Warren's video, "Rocket Boy" be seen in its entirety anywhere?
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3780 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 12-11-2022 02:39 PM
Exactly 50 years after "Challenger" landed on the Moon, I have just listened to my live recording of the event, made on a little cassette tape recorder in my living room. (The only concession to improved technology is that the recording is now on a DVD).
At least this anniversary coincides with a giant leap towards the next landing.
Captain Apollo Member
Posts: 367 From: UK Registered: Jun 2004
posted 12-12-2022 12:58 PM
I saw the launch on the BBC in the UK. The delay took it to long after midnight and with school to follow next day, it was a long but lovely wait.
Before the launch I remember watching James Burke's documentary "The End of the Beginning" - it exists, but has never been broadcast again, but Lunar Module 5 has reconstructed it from audio.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3780 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 12-12-2022 08:14 PM
quote:Originally posted by Captain Apollo: I saw the launch on the BBC in the UK. The delay took it to long after midnight and with school to follow next day, it was a long but lovely wait....
You didn't see it live on BBC, which shut down for the night after the launch was delayed. It was only live on BBC Radio. I'm not sure when they first showed the launch on TV, but I think I saw it on a highlights programme (or the BBC news) after getting home from school.
Espace Member
Posts: 11 From: Toulouse, France Registered: Apr 2020
posted 12-13-2022 12:14 PM
Might be old age playing tricks but I must admit that like Captain Apollo I have similar recollections of seeing the delayed launch carried live on UK TV.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3780 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 12-13-2022 09:06 PM
I have no doubt BBC TV shut down for the night. We only had 3 channels at the time (BBC 1, BBC 2 and ITV) and I can't believe I didn't frantically press all of the buttons in the hope that one of the channels would stay on the air. When BBC 1 shut down, they directed viewers to live coverage on Radio 2. I find it hard to believe that one of the TV channels came back on the air to show the launch (none of the channels showed live TV of the three EVAs beyond about 1.00am, which meant I had to skip school (with permission!) to see the recorded highlights shown on the following afternoons.
There is one possibility: I fell asleep waiting for the delayed launch but fortunately woke up at T - 2 minutes so I heard the launch live on the radio. I suppose it's possible I was so anxious to catch the live broadcast that I didn't check the TV again, but 50 years ago it was very expensive to use the live satellite link and most of the audience had already gone to bed, having been told TV had shut down for the night. If BBC did come back on the air, its audience would have been tiny for such an expensive link (James Burke told me in a 1972 letter the cost of the satellite link was "astronomical.")
Our memories do sometimes let us down after 50 years, and since I can't absolutely rule out BBC sneakily coming back on air "live" I think the best way to resolve this definitively would be to ask James Burke. He should know! Anyone know how to contact him?
Space Cadet Carl Member
Posts: 305 From: Lake Orion, MI Registered: Feb 2006
posted 12-15-2022 10:32 AM
I'll never forget how incredibly sharp that color TV from the lunar surface was. The combination of RCA's field sequential camera, using the big 120 foot dishes of the Deep Space Network and of course, John Lowry's revolutionary Image Transform computer enhancement process when added together resulted in amazing live images by 1972 standards.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3780 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 12-15-2022 08:26 PM
Of course, the quality was ultimately dependent on the quality of your own TV set. Colour sets in the early 1970s were not very reliable and needed frequent colour-tuning.
And of course the picture in the UK was 625 lines (and, I believe, only 525 lines in the USA) so when we watch an Apollo 17 EVA recording today on a 4K set, it's not quite as we saw it 50 years ago! (But of course you're right that the pictures looked wonderful to us when we saw them in 1972, in spite of the limitations of our TVs!)
[P.S. Looking through my diary record for Apollo 17, I note the following on Monday 4th December: "The colour TV was 'adjusted' today - but so badly it was worse than it was before! It's being done again tomorrow." An early lesson for me that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." ]
Jonnyed Member
Posts: 620 From: Dumfries, VA, USA Registered: Aug 2014
posted 12-16-2022 08:38 AM
I was 9 years old at the time of Apollo 17, growing up in Seattle, and I can testify that the picture was only as good as your TV! We had a Curtis Mathis color and despite the "snow" and occasional wavy vertical or rolling horizontal lines, the picture was awe-inspiring and depicted grand adventure!
I remember at that age being particularly obsessed with the lunar rover. Good memories.
perineau Member
Posts: 408 From: FRANCE Registered: Jul 2007
posted 12-16-2022 10:03 AM
I guess what impresses me the most about the Apollo 17 crew and support along with NASA in general is that they made it look so easy!
Grounded! Member
Posts: 571 From: Bennington, Vermont, USA Registered: Feb 2011
posted 12-18-2022 07:07 AM
Watching "Apollo 17 in real time" has been truly entertaining. Are there recordings like this for any of the earlier Apollo missions?
Captain Apollo Member
Posts: 367 From: UK Registered: Jun 2004
posted 12-19-2022 04:14 AM
quote:Originally posted by Blackarrow: You didn't see it live on BBC, which shut down for the night after the launch was delayed.
I think you're wrong and sorry but you missed it 50 years ago!
As noted here, "BBC TV opened transmission in the middle of the night a second [time] to cover the launch live." Source is the reputable site Digital Spy.
Here is a reconstruct of the coverage (the original video was wiped):
At the end of the audio James Burke says "We bring our launch programme from Cape Kennedy to an end" which certainly implies they were live on-air.
The audio was recorded by "Hardakml" who wrote in a message: "I was 14 years old when I recorded this. As I recall it, the aborted launch was sometime after midnight, UK time and I think I had to set my alarm clock to watch the real thing at 5 am. Certainly past my bedtime!"
The recording is Burke, so it's definitely the BBC TV transmission. The Radio 2 programme you heard did not feature James Burke and Patrick Moore. According to Radio Times "Arthur Garratt and Colin Riach were in the Apollo 17 studio in London and the countdown and blast-off from Cape Kennedy were relayed by the Voice of America and NASA transmission."
I think that decides it.
Space Cadet Carl Member
Posts: 305 From: Lake Orion, MI Registered: Feb 2006
posted 12-19-2022 07:24 AM
As far as the quality of Apollo 17 video being received in our homes, I had the good fortune of watching on a newer RCA New Vista color console in great condition.... along with living just a couple of miles away from the TV transmission towers. It was the best viewing experience anyone could have at home in 1972.
NukeGuy Member
Posts: 121 From: Irvine, CA USA Registered: May 2014
posted 12-19-2022 11:14 AM
I remember that NBC promoted its coverage of Apollo 17 with the Monkees song "Last Train to Clarksville."
Captain Apollo Member
Posts: 367 From: UK Registered: Jun 2004
posted 12-20-2022 04:54 AM
quote:Originally posted by Espace: ...of seeing the delayed launch carried live on UK TV.
See my reply — it seems almost indisputable that it was broadcast live by BBC TV. We are not that old yet!
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3780 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 12-20-2022 09:00 AM
It looks like, after 50 years, I have to accept the awful conclusion that the BBC did show live coverage of the Apollo 17 launch and I didn't watch it because I believed them when they said they were "shutting down for the night."
A good question is why I didn't check the TV "just to be sure" but the answer to that is that I fell asleep listening to the radio and only woke up at about T- 2 minutes. I think I was probably too concerned with following the countdown and getting my tape recorder running. And which of us is at his best at 5.30am having just woken up?
I'm happy that some people actually got to see the launch coverage live, but this is a revelation that I think I would have preferred not to have!
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 53644 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 12-21-2022 12:58 PM
NASA video
NASA participated in a Space Center Houston celebration of the 50th anniversary of Apollo 17 on Friday, Dec. 16, 2022.
On the heels of the successful Artemis I mission, NASA Johnson Space Center Director Vanessa Wyche, astronaut Reid Wiseman, Artemis flight controller Jessi Horelica, and Artemis engineer Antja Chambers, joined Apollo legends in a panel discussion at Johnson's official visitor center. Gerry Griffin, Apollo 17 lead flight director, Gene Kranz, Apollo 17 flight director, and Charlie Duke, Apollo 16 moonwalker and Apollo 17 backup lunar module pilot, participated in the discussion.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3780 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 12-24-2022 10:51 AM
I can add that 18 members of the Evans family visited JSC for the 50th anniversary (Ron and Jan's children, grandchildren and their partners, and two great-grandchildren). They all visited command module 'America', and paid a visit to the former Evans family home in El Lago.