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Topic: Details in high-resolution Apollo photos
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LM-12
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posted 08-18-2012 01:04 AM
  
The high-resolution versions of Apollo photographs are very impressive. You can see details that are easily missed in the low-resolution versions. AS16-116-18577 was taken on EVA-3. You can see that Young is not wearing the Oxygen Purge System with the red stripes. The antenna on that OPS was broken on EVA-2, so Young and Duke switched their OPS backpacks for the final EVA. AS17-134-20388 shows Cernan standing behind the -Z strut at the SEP pallet. Have you seen any other examples? |
APG85
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posted 08-18-2012 12:01 PM
Is there a story behind the 'smudges' that appear on many of the photographs taken on the surface during Apollo 16. Was it a problem with the film or the camera? |
LM-12
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posted 08-18-2012 03:03 PM
There are smudges on at least two different magazines (114 and 116) and the smudges look identical, so maybe it was a camera problem.Compare photos 114-18444 and 116-18566, for example. |
MCroft04
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posted 08-18-2012 03:13 PM
I have an Apollo 16 photo hanging on my wall of John Young pointing to a large rock with those same smudges. Charlie told me when he signed it that the smudges were from lunar dust getting into the camera and leaving tracks as the film was advanced. |
LM-12
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posted 08-19-2012 02:44 PM
There is a plaque on the LM Falcon ladder. There is also a plaque on the LRV control console. You can read the signatures in photo AS15-88-11862. |
nasamad
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posted 08-19-2012 05:06 PM
During one of the Apollo 15 lunar EVA's the astronauts drove up a slope so steep aboard the LRV that Jim Irwin struggled to stop it rolling away while Dave Scott took photos! |
dabolton
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posted 08-19-2012 07:23 PM
He forgot to put the emergency brake on!
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LM-12
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posted 08-21-2012 11:59 AM
Charlie Duke took this 500mm photo of the LM Orion from Station 4 on EVA-2. From the mission transcripts: 06 00 15 49 Duke: I've just got to get a picture with the 500 of the old Orion sitting out there. 06 00 15 54 Young: Just spectacular. 06 00 15 56 Duke: Okay, I'm going to take a couple of North Ray, Tony.
06 00 16 05 Young: Most of these rocks have a whitish cast to them, Houston, but - 06 00 16 13 Duke: Okay, Tony, I'm up to frame count 90 on magazine Lima. 06 00 16 21 CC: Okay. 06 00 16 27 Duke: Wow! What a place. What a view, isn't it, John? 06 00 16 30 Young: It's absolutely unreal. |
nasamad
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posted 08-21-2012 12:15 PM
There is a very similar photo taken from Station 6 during the Apollo 15 mission. |
nasamad
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posted 08-21-2012 12:31 PM
Nothing in the way of new discoveries, but I have always liked this photo of Buzz Aldrin deploying the seismometer part of the EASEP. It shows the discarded solar panel retaining brackets thrown either side of the the package as well as a number of "pip" pins. Also seen behind Aldrin is the protective cover from the LRRR thrown away by Armstrong moments earlier. |
LM-12
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posted 08-21-2012 12:46 PM
Any idea at what distances the 500mm LM photos were taken?You can also see House Rock at Station 11 in the Apollo 16 photo. The smaller boulder farther down the slope might be Shadow Rock at Station 13. |
FordPrefect
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posted 08-21-2012 05:17 PM
The distance to the LM in the 500mm photos taken from Station 6 or 6a (Apollo 15) should be around 5 kilometers. |
LM-12
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posted 08-22-2012 04:42 PM
The LM Orion can also be seen in this 70mm colour photo which was also taken at Station 4. It shows Charlie Duke at the rover.The LM is the tiny dot on the white surface area seen above and to the left of the top left cross-hair (called a fiducial). That would have been a long walk back to the LM if the rover had broken down. |
ilbasso
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posted 08-23-2012 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by nasamad:
Nothing in the way of new discoveries, but I have always liked this photo of Buzz Aldrin deploying the seismometer part of the EASEP.
And we also see Armstrong in Buzz's visor again!The Tranquility Base landscape, with its almost total lack of features in the distance, always looked surreal to me. In this photo, the horizon looks like it can't be more than 50 feet behind the TV camera. We know that's not the case, but it really does look unreal to me. |
LM-12
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posted 08-24-2012 03:38 PM
You can see Gene Cernan behind the LM in this pan photo taken on EVA-2. |
LM-12
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posted 08-26-2012 01:11 PM
Here is one I had not seen before. It is an up-sun photo of Ed Mitchell taken at the ALSEP site on EVA-1. |
MadSci
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posted 08-27-2012 02:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by nasamad:
Nothing in the way of new discoveries, but I have always liked this photo of Buzz Aldrin deploying the seismometer part of the EASEP.
I just noticed, and this is touching given Neil's passing this weekend, that there is a self-portrait of Neil reflected in Buzz's visor. |
LM-12
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posted 08-27-2012 08:02 AM
In this photo you can see the slightly out-of-focus red N. Armstrong name tag on the back of his PLSS. |
rasorenson
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posted 08-27-2012 11:06 PM
Are the hi res Apollo 16 photos from a new source or new scans of the film negatives? Where can I find these hi res versions? Thanks. |
LM-12
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posted 08-28-2012 11:49 AM
The Apollo Image Gallery at the apolloarchive.com website has the full Hasselblad magazines in high-resolution. |
nasamad
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posted 08-28-2012 12:15 PM
All kudos to Kipp Teague and his "Contact Light" and later his "Apollo Archive" websites. I first found his Contact Light page over a decade ago after reading Chaikin's "A Man On The Moon" and it has been his site I have returned to time and time again whenever I wanted to look at Apollo images. I owe Kipp (as well as JL and Ed) a huge debt of gratutide. |
Chariot412
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posted 08-30-2012 07:26 AM
Does anyone know if any of the crashed LM ascent stages have ever been located (perhaps through seismic triangulation)? I recall even Neil Armstrong wondered what was left of Eagle. If so, a high-def photo would be fanatastic! |
LM-12
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posted 09-06-2012 04:52 PM
Here is a photo of the Apollo 15 LRV at Station 6 on EVA-2 with the LM Falcon in the distant background. |
Headshot
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posted 09-06-2012 08:31 PM
I know that Ewen Whitaker located the impact crater produced by the Apollo XIV lunar module Antares ascent stage on Apollo XVI metric camera frame 2512. The ascent stages hit the moon at about 1.7 km/sec, significantly less than the SIVB stage impact velocity of 2.5 km/sec. I am not certain if even the general location of Eagle's ascent stage impact crater is known as there was only one working seismometer on the lunar surface at the time. |
Headshot
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posted 09-07-2012 07:04 AM
As a follow-up, the locations of imapct sites for the LM ascent stages from Apollos XII, XIV, XV, XVI and XVII are known. They are illustrated in Philip J. Stooke's The International Atlas of Lunar Exploration. To my knowledge only the Apollo XIV LM ascent stage impact site crater has been identified. The Apollo XVII LM ascent stage was intentionally impacted on South Massif, about 10 km from its original landing site. I am certain that all LM ascent stage impact are visible on Lunar Reconaissance Orbiter imagery, it is just that no one has sat down and identified them yet. |
LM-12
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posted 09-08-2012 12:31 PM
Regarding the smudges ... 107, 114 and 116 were the only magazines used on the CDR camera, according to the Apollo 16 Photo Index.Magazine 107 was used on EVA-2 up to Station 9. Those photos are not smudged. Magazine 114 was used on EVA-1. It was next used at Station 9 to the end of EVA-2. Only the EVA-2 photos are smudged, starting with frame 18444. Magazine 116 was used on EVA-3, and all of those photos are smudged. So maybe the lunar dust mentioned earlier got into the CDR camera during the magazine switch at Station 9. John Young can be seen changing those same magazines at the rover at Station 9 in this EVA-2 photo taken by Charlie Duke. |
LM-12
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posted 09-18-2012 04:33 PM
The Apollo 14 moonwalkers left a film magazine on the lunar surface by mistake. The Lunar Surface Journal indicates that it was 16mm DAC magazine HH. You can see that 16mm camera and attached magazine on the MET in this post-EVA-2 photo taken from the LM window. The 16mm magazine is rather thin and located on the far side of the camera in the photo. |
Blackarrow
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posted 09-18-2012 05:20 PM
I assume whatever footage was exposed has long since been wiped clean by heat and radiation. A great pity. |
LM-12
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posted 09-18-2012 05:46 PM
Here is another shot of the 16mm magazine and camera on the MET taken at Station C-prime on EVA-2. The LM can be seen in the background.The ALSJ says the 16mm camera was turned on near Station F. |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 09-19-2012 04:14 AM
The distant LM shows that was quite a hike.....and up hill all the way too. |
LM-12
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posted 09-19-2012 12:45 PM
Up hill and up-sun. I think Station C-prime was the farthest stop on the EVA-2 trek ... almost a mile from the LM. |
Fra Mauro
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posted 09-20-2012 07:00 AM
What a shame. I wonder what photos we lost. |
LM-12
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posted 09-20-2012 11:47 AM
The 16mm is a video camera. The magazine was footage taken on the way back to the LM. |
LM-12
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posted 09-21-2012 03:57 AM
Anyone know what this object photographed on Apollo 10 is? |
heng44
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posted 09-21-2012 06:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by LM-12:
The 16mm is a video camera. The magazine was footage taken on the way back to the LM.
Correction: the 16mm was a FILM camera, not a video camera. |
garymilgrom
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posted 09-21-2012 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by LM-12:
Anyone know what this object photographed on Apollo 10 is?
Looks like a camera or film anomaly to me. Unless aliens are building Africa-shaped spaceships! |
mach3valkyrie
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posted 09-21-2012 01:34 PM
Maybe a piece of insulation or foil from LM separation (ascent and descent stages). |
LM-12
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posted 09-22-2012 07:00 AM
That is more in line with what I was thinking. |
MattJL
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posted 09-22-2012 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by mach3valkyrie:
Maybe a piece of insulation or foil from LM separation.
Something else I've noticed that supports this is the amount of small specks of similar debris that are visible (especially near the lunar limb). It's also in the two photographs proceeding it (3988 and 3989). |
LM-12
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posted 09-22-2012 04:12 PM
I found this Apollo 10 film clip on the footagevault website.It certainly looks like the object in those three photos. |
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