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Topic: Apollo 1 Memorial Foundation
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ColinBurgess Member Posts: 926 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Sep 2003
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posted December 08, 2005 05:03 PM
I've noticed a new addition at the foot of the opening page of Wally Schirra's website, which mentions the largely-unsung but wonderfully inspiring work carried out by a dedicated group of Florida-based volunteers under the Apollo 1 Memorial Foundation banner. With very limited funding these men and women respect and commemorate the crew of Apollo 1 by cleaning, updating and maintaining areas such as Pad 34. I have recently come in contact with both Kate Cooper and Johnnie Johnson from the Foundation, and I highly commend their work to you.Wally, who sincerely applauds their efforts, now has a link to the Foundation's website on his homepage, which I would urge you to visit. Colin IP: Logged |
divemaster Member Posts: 732 From: ridgefield, ct Registered: May 2002
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posted December 08, 2005 08:41 PM
There's also now a link on Walt Cunningham's website. Apollo 7 supports the cause ...and Francis French was the one who submitted the idea. IP: Logged |
RocketmanRob Member Posts: 134 From: College Point, New York USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted December 13, 2005 08:21 PM
After reading Colins post I went over to the Foundation's website and drop them a note of thanks regarding their efforts. Attached is a reply I received with a good suggestion for those of us in the collectSPACE community. quote: Thanks so much for your e-note. Gus Grissom, Ed White, and Roger Chaffee are the men whose shoulders we stood on to reach the moon and they must never be forgotten. Please visit our site periodically; we are in the process of revamping it and there will be more information out there in the future. You also may be interested in knowing that the Mercury Mission Control Center and the LC34 Support building are in danger of being demolished. This would be a monumental loss to the history of the American Space Program. NASA is requesting that these two sites be removed as part of the National Historic Landmark District in order to tear them down. So write to your congressman, senator, and to anyone else you can think of and let them know your feelings on this very important issue and that they should not allow this to happen.The Mission Control Center (MCC) played a key role in early US Space flights. It provided launch, orbital, re-entry and landing control for all Mercury orbital flights and early Gemini flights. The LC34 Support Building is part of Launch Complex 34, which launched Apollo 7 and is the site of the Apollo One tragedy. Help us to keep the dream alive. Katherine Cooper Director Apollo One Memorial Foundation, Inc.
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ColinBurgess Member Posts: 926 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Sep 2003
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posted December 13, 2005 10:00 PM
Well said, Rob. I actually avoided saying too much about Kate in my earlier post because this remarkable, caring Florida lady does a lot behind the scenes for the Apollo 1 Memorial Foundation with precious little funding, and she always tells me she's merely part of a very dedicated team that wishes to commemorate the lives of those three astronauts - and goes out and does it. If you've read "Fallen Astronauts" you'll know how much the lives and asacrifice of this crew means to me. The Foundation really needs help badly, and this potential loss of historic landmarks at the Cape is just the latest crushing disappointment to Kate and the team in their wonderful efforts, which, as I've said, go largely unsung, but noticed by those who care. I would sincerely admonish you to visit their website at http://www.apollo1.org to find out more about the Foundation and its wonderful, ongoing work. IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 10782 From: Houston, TX, USA Registered: Nov 1999
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posted December 13, 2005 10:31 PM
I'm usually not one to speak out against the preservation of history (in fact, I'm usually speaking up in favor of it) but I cannot imagine a greater tribute to the Apollo 1 crew or the Mercury program's legacy then a return to the real exploration of the Moon. NASA is facing very difficult decisions at the present as a result of the lack of any large funding increases; decisions that include laying off workers, closing facilities and halting projects. The Mercury Mission Control Center is historic - but its contents are what really matters and the consoles have already been moved to the visitor center, where they are presented in a tasteful manner. What remains is an asbestos-laden building that NASA must pay to upkeep, likely per the EPA. I have only found one reference on the web (inside a NASA newsletter) to the Pad 34 Engineering Support Building, but the launch pedestal and flame deflectors are the primary monument to that site. So, if its a choice between keeping a few more workers hired and leveling these buildings, I say they should be torn down. Were we living in a different time, when CCAFS could be opened to the public, I would be greatly in favor of an effort to save and restore the buildings but its sadly just not the case. If I am mistaken about any of the above, please correct me. I am not so set in my ways to not turn around and start supporting the effort called for by Ms. Cooper. I wrote about and linked to the original Florida Today story raising the possible destruction from collectSPACE a few weeks ago because I thought it was an issue that deserved to be known and discussed. IP: Logged |
FFrench Member Posts: 2051 From: San Diego Registered: Feb 2002
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posted December 14, 2005 11:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by Robert Pearlman: The Mercury Mission Control Center is historic - but its contents are what really matters and the consoles have already been moved to the visitor center, where they are presented in a tasteful manner.
I'm going to disagree with you on this one, Robert. Standing in the Explorer 1 blockhouse, with its original controls all in their original places, looking out of the blast-proof windows at the pad where the rocket launched, was a magical experience with a real sense of history. The placement of the Mercury mission controls at the KSC visitor center (you look down on them from behind glass, while an annoyingly perky video plays)is to my mind a loss of priceless history. The display has no atmosphere - it looks like a 21st-century recreation and a Disneyfication. There's no sense of why these controls were important. It reminded me in a way of Vegas, where you can "visit" the Eiffel Tower, the Statue of Liberty, etc - but they are not and never will be the real thing. I can tell you, the adults and kids I saw strolling through there without a second glance didn't know what they were seeing. I strongly suspect the moving of the controls is a way to ease the process of pulling down the mission control building. To my mind, this is wrong. There can only ever be one original mission control for American orbital missions, and it should be saved. I agree with you about priorities - that's the world we live in. And given the choices you pose, I would do the same. But I am reminded of the argument "why should we go to the moon when we have starving children in the world." I am perhaps being a little idealistic, but why don't we do both? NASA currently does a pretty poor job of reminding people of its greatest sucesses. I think if they did more to help celebrate past glories rather than let them crumble, they might find people willing to give them more money to do it again. In the meantime, Kate Cooper and the Foundation are doing an outstanding job maintaining what NASA has no funds to do. If you believe that the Apollo 1/7 pad should be kept for future generations, I strongly urge you to help them in their efforts. Thanks, FF
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Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 10782 From: Houston, TX, USA Registered: Nov 1999
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posted December 14, 2005 12:13 PM
Just so that there should be no mistake, I am fully in support of the Apollo One Memorial Foundation's good work and would endorse others supporting them without hesistance. My comments were based more on the decisions NASA now has to face and what should take priority for this specific situation.Even if NASA were to spend the money to restore the MMCC and move the consoles back to where they originally sat, far fewer people could view them than at present. Unless the U.S. has a sudden change of policy about restricting access to active Air Force stations, it is always going to be difficult to move tourists to that area and let them the free range that we used to all enjoy. That is certainly not NASA's fault but a sad result of the times that we live in. The layoffs NASA is facing are not simply on paper. I know people - in fact, some of our readers - who are seriously looking at losing their job in the next 8 to 12 months to free up the funds to go to the Moon. Francis, you asked why we don't do both - the reality is that NASA can't afford to without trading against some other project or person's salary. I agree that NASA does not do enough to celebrate its successes - past and present - and I believe there is a lot more that could be done with the money they do have, but I do not necessarily agree that includes restoring buildings which can only be accessed by a minority. On the other hand, I would greatly support an effort to convince the EPA (assuming they are driving NASA's decision) to allow the building(s) to stand as is, until such time that money is available for their clean-up and restoration. Abandoned in place would be better than demolishing and would save NASA funds at the same time. IP: Logged |
FFrench Member Posts: 2051 From: San Diego Registered: Feb 2002
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posted December 14, 2005 12:48 PM
Robert,I think we are largely in agreement and both agree on the problem - not enough money. And of course, if the choice is a clear-cut one between current jobs and historic preservation, then jobs should be a priority. What we are facing however is the loss of the original artefacts of the space program. There can only ever be one set of firsts, and when they are gone they are gone for good. NASA should not be in the position of having to make these choices, I am sure you agree. I think we need to look at the wider picture - that they should never have got to this position. Part of the reason they have in the past, I believe, is because of a lack of motivational opportunity for the public to buy into what NASA does and has done. Such opportunities would increase taxpayer support for NASA, science and other related programs. So, it's a losing spiral of circumstances - less money means less ability to preserve inspirational places and tell the public about them - which results in less support, meaning less money, meaning less ability... etc. And in the meantime, the world loses the physical evidence of what many consider to be humankind's greatest ever achievement. Francis. IP: Logged |
mjanovec Member Posts: 1785 From: Midwest, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted December 14, 2005 02:02 PM
I have to support efforts to keep the original MCC building. Seeing hardware or objects in a sterile environment does not really make up for standing in the place where history took place. It's the location, more than the hardware, that speak the loudest.Thousands visit Dealy Plaza in Dallas every year, to visit the location where Kennedy was assassinated. It isn't asphalt, grass, and concrete that they are visiting. IN fact, most of the key objects from that event are no longer there. But it's the place where history took place and the place itself is relatively unchanged. Same goes with sites like Gettysburg. It's the PLACE that often holds the greatest significance than just some collection of objects. People want to stand in the same spot where history happened. For Mercury, that place is MCC and the pads where the launches took place. For example, there has been a lot of regret of the loss of the Cavern Club in Liverpool, where the Beatles played nearly 300 times. The club was torn down in the early 70s for, believe it or not, a parking lot. They have since re-created what the club was like, but no re-creation can make up for the lost original. What seemed like nothing but a brick cellar in the 1970s would have been a huge visitor destination today...and a place of civic pride. Even if it takes a while to get enough money to restore the MCC building and find out ways to help the public access the site, it's still better to leave the building in place than to tear it down in haste (and regret it later). The whole Mercury complex, pads and all, should eventually be made available to visitors. Who knows...in a decade or so, large chunks of the area may no longer be an active Air Force station. Or certain areas may be deactiviated to allow greater access. It seems pretty certain that if MCC is torn down, then the odds of being able to visit that site at all will essentially disappear. I do agree with Robert that the best tribute is to keep moving with progress to return to the moon (and beyond). But we should be careful about what we throw away in our efforts to achieve progress. It's more than concrete or an asbestos-laden building. It's WHERE history took place. And it can't be replaced.
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star61 Member Posts: 186 From: Bristol UK Registered: Jan 2005
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posted December 14, 2005 03:55 PM
I have to say, when I stood in the MCC and stared transfixed at the consoles, it was knowing this is where it happened that got me. I could "see" Kraft at his console. I could "see" Slayton standing there. The feeling truly is made by the place and not just the items. The buildings should be saved. PhilIP: Logged |
ColinBurgess Member Posts: 926 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Sep 2003
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posted December 14, 2005 05:32 PM
While the Apollo Memorial Foundation is obviously deeply concerned about the future of these sites, their overall mandate is one that is both simple and pure. To quote from their website:"The Foundation was formed by several private citizens who found in each other a common dream to give recognition to and honor the crew of Apollo 1 in a way that has been lacking in our country's history. "In 1997 Launch Complex 34 was overgrown with bushes, weeds and wild pepper trees. A lonely kiosk stood at the perimeter of the pad with old photos desecrated by years of exposure to wind and sun. A faded 'Abandon in Place' sign was stamped on one leg of the launch pedestal. Two flame deflectors stood off to the side as if abandoned in time. Only one wall of the building that once housed fuel and electrical lines to the massive service gantry survived the years. Two small plaques affixed to the pedestal reminded the world of what had happened on this spot. "In December 1998 we incorporated as a not-for-profit foundation in the State of Florida. Over the next eighteen months, we formed cleanup crews, replaced missing fire bricks, re-stenciled the 'Abandon in Place' stamp, and began to form a solid base from which to build a memorial. This process taught us about other historica events that occurred at Launch Pad 34 and we grew to include them all. In September 2000 we were certified by the United States government as a 501(c)(3) corporation, enabling tax-deductable donations. "Others joined us as we moved forward. We have found a great deal of support by individuals from all walks of life who have all said, 'It's about time!'" And I agree ... IP: Logged |
Brock Member Posts: 21 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2005
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posted December 15, 2005 09:33 AM
I remember well being on a KSC bus that stopped at the Mercury Control Center. I was told by the bus driver/tour guide that the building would soon be closed for good and that the consoles would be moved to the visitor center. MCC simply as a building is a cinderblock nondescript building in the middle of palmetto scrub. Yet the people that worked in that building and the history that happened in that building is unique. The current display of the MCC consoles at the visitor center looks tacky and out of place for those who saw it as it was. I was saddened by the the disrepair of the Mercury, Gemini and LC-34 launch sites (though LC-34 looks lots better than it had been. Kudo to those great volunteers who do work out there). I wish Hangar S crew quarters were open to visitors if in fact the crew quarters were as they were in 1961-63). I can't believe that it would cost that much to take care of the pads and keep up MCC. IP: Logged |
Brock Member Posts: 21 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2005
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posted December 15, 2005 07:32 PM
As long as the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station is inaccesible to most people except fot the Cape Then and Now Tour it will be difficult to generate enough interest to preserve and save the history that is found there.Perhaps a solution one day would be for the National Park Service to perhaps do what they do at Pearl Harbor. As a still very active Naval Base people are still allowed to visit the Arizona Memorial and the Missouri. The National Park Service seems to always do a very professional job of restoring and placing historical sites into context. It seems that there are not too many active launch complexes at the Cape anymore except for LC 17A-B and the reused LC-37. As most of the pads become deactivated they could be turned over to the park system. There is too much history at the Cape to just let it all go and there is still time. If one waits too long however the Florida jungle will reclaim the pads and will be lost forever. IP: Logged |
RocketmanRob Member Posts: 134 From: College Point, New York USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted December 16, 2005 08:40 PM
I certainly can agree that laying off folks is not something I would like to see under any circumstance, however, that does not take away from the historic relevance of these sites. As someone born too late to experience the Apollo missions, taking the tours at the Cape certainly have given me the opportunity to experience the space program up close. As others have described it, you can feel the history around you. I cannot tell you the thrill of getting out to the Apollo 1 site during a recent trip to the Cape. It is interesting to see how others react when they find out that you can now visit the site as part of the "Then & Now" tour. I agree that something needs to be done regarding access to the sites given the military status of these areas. What I don't understand is why these areas cannot be transfered to NASA. During my recent tour it does not look like much is going on there. A great job as been done opening up access to the Cape via the Saturn V visitors center and other new visitor sites, perhaps this could be done in these areas as well. Rob P.S. Colin - just wrapping up "Fallen Astronauts". Fantastic job! You provided some insights into a part of the program that I did not have before. Amazing how much I'm still learning about the program despite a fascination with the subject since I was a kid. Appreciated in particular the information regarding Freedman, Givens and Williams. Shame Givens is not on the memorial as well. IP: Logged |
ColinBurgess Member Posts: 926 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Sep 2003
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posted December 16, 2005 09:09 PM
Thanks Rob - it's always nice to get such marvellous feedback.Colin IP: Logged |
Kate New Member Posts: 4 From: Palm Harbor, FL Registered: Dec 2005
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posted December 17, 2005 12:19 PM
You are all very kind to take up this critical issue and many valid points have been made. I support allowing the buildings to stand as is until funding is made available. There is talk at the Cape of the historic area eventually becoming a national park; how sad it would be if there was no history left to be felt and experienced. Robert, you made some really valid points and I thank you for supporting the Foundation's goals. However, it's more than just the contents of the building. As some of you have said, it's the feel of standing in a place where history happened; it comes alive in your mind. I've seen the happy look on the face of someone who once worked there as he sat at his old console in the MCC with his memories. I've seen the equipment at the Visitor's Center - actually the first time I walked right by because it was not recognizable. Once, when driving into the LC34 Complex, you would have seen on your left the security gatehouse but that's gone now. Just beyond where the gatehouse was located is the ESB but they want to tear it down. The next closest building is the blockhouse, with asbestos in its walls. My concern is that we are losing our history piece by piece and future generations will pay the price.------------------ Katherine Cooper IP: Logged |
Brock Member Posts: 21 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2005
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posted December 17, 2005 04:18 PM
Katherine,I think what you are doing is wonderful indeed. Your work in keeping and preserving LC-34 for the future is admirable. How often does the Air Force allow you out at LC-34? I think in the end having the National Park Service take over the deactivated Cape facilities is the way to go. They have the resources to not only to maintain but to restore these sites to what they were. Thanks to you Katherine LC-34 is very much something that can be saved. I think unfortunately that LC-19 and LC-14 are so overgrown that they can't be saved. Thankfully someone had sense to save and allow visitation at the pad 5 blockhouse. As someone who lives local or relatively local I would love to be involved with your organization if needed. Way to go! IP: Logged |
Kate New Member Posts: 4 From: Palm Harbor, FL Registered: Dec 2005
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posted December 17, 2005 09:43 PM
Thank you for your kind words. The support of people like all of you keeps us going.------------------ Katherine Cooper IP: Logged |
ColinBurgess Member Posts: 926 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Sep 2003
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posted December 17, 2005 10:31 PM
And it's the fine work of people such as you and your fellow foundation team members that inspires us, Kate. Good to see you joining in this forum - keep us informed!IP: Logged |
bruce Member Posts: 635 From: Fort Mill, SC, USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted December 18, 2005 09:53 AM
Ms. Cooper makes some nice points about just "being" on the same grounds were history occured. In a similar experience, I was totally mesmerized while standing on a rather desolate, sandy spot in Kitty Hawk, North Carolina next to nothing but a long steel rail while imagining the Wright Brothers lifting into the air with their flying machine right from this very spot. Even with the few refurbished work shacks nearby, the on-site museum and the big monument on the hill, nothing topped the experience of actually "being there". Best, Bruce IP: Logged | |
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