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gareth89
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posted 02-02-2025 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gareth89   Click Here to Email gareth89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Walter Dornberger signed cover that is in excellent condition. It came from a collection from a philatelist who had a particular interest in WWII and the V-2 program.

I've searched but haven't found many examples, and a quick search here only brings up a handful of old posts about looking to acquire the autograph. My questions:

  • Is this an original signature?
  • Is it desirable?
  • Is it valuable?

Axman
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posted 02-02-2025 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Axman   Click Here to Email Axman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it authentic? No idea, but it doesn't look unauthentic.

Is it desirable? (if authentic) Yes, without doubt.

Is it valuable? No idea, that depends on how many others share my opinion on desirability.

yeknom-ecaps
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posted 02-02-2025 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yeknom-ecaps   Click Here to Email yeknom-ecaps     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, certainly desirable for a V-2 collection with Wernher von Braun and the rest of his team.

Though relatively hard to find, Dornberger's signatures I have seen are usually selling between $60 and $80. More if on his book, on a photo like below, or a rarer space cover.

Yours, looks authentic and on a German space cancel cover, would be on the lower end of the scale.

Found this image from a Heritage auction from 2016:

Axman
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posted 02-02-2025 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Axman   Click Here to Email Axman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Given Tom's input above, I'd like to re-evaluate my opinion. Yes, I still believe it to be desirable - i.e. something I would seriously consider purchasing. But my opinion on value drops well below the figures Tom has quoted.

As a fairly ordinary German Space Exhibition postmark on a non-cacheted cover, with no anniversary tie-in date to anything of significance to Dornberger's career (and with a frankly quite boring GDR postage stamp), I would be struggling to think it would be worth above $40

Ken Havekotte
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posted 02-02-2025 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, for sure, the Major General/Dr. Walter Dornberger signed portrait is 100% authentic! I've got one just like it along with a slew of other signed photos, special postal covers, and personal letters (mostly from Mexico during his later years).

As you know, the German Army rocket pioneer leader was von Braun's military boss both at Kummersdorf and Peenemunde from 1931-1945.

As to an estimated value of the above signed photo, guys, I tend to be more higher that perhaps others would be. Overall, his signature was not that common than von Braun's was, along with any of the other original German rocket team members.

gareth89
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posted 02-02-2025 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gareth89   Click Here to Email gareth89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everyone. It’s a bit of an anomaly in my collection but I don’t intend on parting with it as who knows what avenues of collecting I might venture down in the future!

I have to say I am a tad disappointed at the low valuations, at a cursory glance on eBay there is only one signed item by Dornberger at over $500. That being said I can’t imagine that there would be a huge amount of collectors with a particular interest in obtaining his signature.

It’s definitely not something I’d have framed on my wall, he was a very talented man but Operation Paperclip without a doubt saved his life given the atrocities attributed to him during the war.

I was thinking of getting a copy of his V2 book, can anyone advise as to whether it’s a good read?

Bob M
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posted 02-02-2025 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a comparison to the Dornberger signature on your cover, here is a scan of a Dornberger signed cover that I received directly from Dr. Dornberger in the mail back in 1980 from Admon/Chapala, Jal., Mexico.

His address was known and shared by many collectors back then. While desirable, they shouldn't be overly scarce or expensive.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 02-02-2025 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just after WWII ended, in late 1945, Gen./Dr. Dornberger did address the crimes against him. Under Operation Backfire by the British he went to London for interrogation for possible war crimes in connection with the use of slave labor for the German V-2 rocket productions. The high-ranking German Army and later Nazi general was only sentenced to two years while secluded in South Wales.

Afterwards, once released, he came to the U.S. under the auspices of Operation Paperclip and worked for the U.S. Air Force on guided missiles as a top advisor throughout the late 1940's.

For the next 15 years the rocket pioneer leader worked for Bell Aircraft Corp. and was later promoted to vice president of that aerospace company. While there, he played a major role in North American's X-15 rocket-powered aircraft program and was a key consultant for the Boeing X-20 Dyna-Soar project.

So for all of us X-15 and X-20 collectors and enthusiasts, I have yet to discover any signed material by Dornberger in this specific area. Has anyone?

Ken Havekotte
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posted 02-02-2025 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To maybe help answer gareth89's question about Dornberger's V-2 book, yes, I did enjoy it more of a historical perspective, but also, another that was a favorite of mine early-on was by Dieter Huzel in 1962 titled "Peenemunde To Canaveral." As one of the original German V-2 rocketeers, he later became the chief assistant to Dr. von Braun, in this eye-witness account as to what life was like at the secret war-time rocket research station.

Huzel had been drafted into the German Army as a private shipped to the Russian front. All of that changed for him when a friend managed to have Dieter transferred back to Germany off the Baltic Sea to work on a secret program known as the "A-4 Project."

There are other favorites of mine, too, such as "The Birth of the Missile" by Ernst Klee and Otto Merk in 1963 as a more deeper look into those early German missile developments of weaponry that later became enhanced for space exploration vehicles.

As to recent books, check out "V2/The A4 Rocket From Peenemunde to Redstone" by Murray Barber published only a few years ago in 2017. It was a surprise gift and one of my best studies of early rocket design, development, and operations of the V-2 with hundreds of photos (many never seen before).

Axman
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posted 02-03-2025 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Axman   Click Here to Email Axman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can I clarify one or two points please.

Dr. Walter Dornberger was a prolific correspondent, I have a number of envelope covers from/to him.

It appears to me that the value, and rarity, lies entirely on the associated medium and not just the signature. That is, rarer, and therefore more valuable items are his signature on portrait photographs and significant anniversary covers such as Bob's Milestones of Flight cover.

As for his book, it is a very useful source reference being straight from the horse's mouth as it were. and is very readable. It is however more of an overview, and lacks real depth, and the chronology can be confusing.

I have found that reading it in tandem with Neufeld "The Rocket and the Reich" while also using Kennedy's "Germany's V-2 Rocket" as a background for images and tables, makes it a much better read.

As for Ken's recommendation: the Murray Barber book is excellent. The English edition is however out of print, and it will cost in the region of €300 to buy a hardback copy (I know, because it is on my try and get one cheaper list!)

German language versions are readily available in Europe.

gareth89
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posted 02-04-2025 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gareth89   Click Here to Email gareth89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Every discussion and opinion on collectSPACE is an education!

Thank you all so much, I'm going to start scouring the auction sites for some of these books, and if anyone here has any spares for sale drop me an email.

I'll keep a lookout for the Murray Barber book and if I find any stock online I'll let you know.

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