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Topic: Cosmonauts-signed cover identificaton
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Chuckster01
Member Posts: 961
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 04-08-2020 06:04 PM
   
Looking for assistance, the American Space Museum just took in several Russian signed items for our upcoming signature auction. I am completely uneducated in Russian cosmonauts and I was hoping the cS community would be kind enough to help.There will be more items coming when this one is complete.  |
astrobock
Member Posts: 144
From: WV, USA
Registered: Sep 2006
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posted 04-08-2020 07:39 PM
No expert. Looked at the Association of Space Explorers ASE signature guides and guessing: - 3. Georgi Beregovoi
- 4. Anatoli Filipchenko
- 5. Vitali Sevastyonov ?
- 6. Gherman Titov
- 8. Boris Volnyov
- 9. Andrian Nikolaev ?
- 10. Viktor Gorbatko
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Ken Havekotte
Member Posts: 3012
From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 04-08-2020 09:36 PM
Here are the others Chuck; - #1 -- Vladimir Shatalov
- #2 -- Boris Yegorov
- #7 -- Yevgeny Khrunov
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Chuckster01
Member Posts: 961
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 04-09-2020 06:12 AM
WOW, I am impressed at the knowledge of cS members and especially Ken. |
Ken Havekotte
Member Posts: 3012
From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 04-09-2020 06:22 AM
Oh, I didn't see that there was a question mark by signature nos. 5 and 9. No. 5 is correct, but with No. 9 being Alexei Yeliseyev. |
Daniel Lazecky
Member Posts: 485
From: Czech Republic-Europe
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 04-10-2020 10:00 AM
- Shatalov
- Yegorov
- Beregovoy
- Filipcenko
- Sevastiynov
- German Titov
- Khrunov
- Volynov
- Eliseev
- Gorbatko
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astrobock
Member Posts: 144
From: WV, USA
Registered: Sep 2006
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posted 04-11-2020 06:43 PM
There are three opinions about #9. |
Mike Dixon
Member Posts: 1445
From: Kew, Victoria, Australia
Registered: May 2003
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posted 04-11-2020 07:15 PM
No there isn't, Eliseev is Yeliseyev. |
Chuckster01
Member Posts: 961
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 04-11-2020 07:28 PM
It is Elissayev. |
Mike Dixon
Member Posts: 1445
From: Kew, Victoria, Australia
Registered: May 2003
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posted 04-11-2020 08:16 PM
I was quoting Daniel Lazecky's spelling. Good enough for mine. |
Ken Havekotte
Member Posts: 3012
From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 04-11-2020 08:37 PM
Actually, if you check on most all of the early Russian cosmonaut name spellings, it would be Yeliseyev of the early Soyuz flight engineer, even on some Russian cosmonaut literature, including our own Congressional Research Service of the U.S. Library of Congress. Never did I see it as "Eliseev" or "Elissayev." |
Chuckster01
Member Posts: 961
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 04-12-2020 06:24 AM
Ken, I was quoting the list sent by the consignor after my post here. I assumed he knew what he was collecting? |
Daniel Lazecky
Member Posts: 485
From: Czech Republic-Europe
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 04-12-2020 04:18 PM
Have a nice day too. Yes probably will be Aleksei S. Yeliseyev. I apologize for my English too. However, I think and I believe that many have also understood me. |
Neil DC
Member Posts: 152
From: Middletown, NJ, USA
Registered: May 2010
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posted 04-18-2020 11:13 AM
Both Yeliseyev and Eliseev are acceptable. The latter is more of a German transliteration of his name. Many cosmonauts names look a bit different in German publications.This is not wrong, just different. |
Daniel Lazecky
Member Posts: 485
From: Czech Republic-Europe
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 04-18-2020 02:53 PM
Neil DC my thanks! |
Ken Havekotte
Member Posts: 3012
From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 04-18-2020 03:00 PM
No problem folks, that's fine by me, even though I have never seen it spelled with an "E" beforehand. I guess it all depends on what kind of translation is used. |
Neil DC
Member Posts: 152
From: Middletown, NJ, USA
Registered: May 2010
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posted 04-18-2020 07:24 PM
Daniel, you are very welcome. I think I have met you and your son (?) at ASE events, last being Minsk.Ken we have met too at KSC. It was interesting that you pointed out that the Russians use the same name spelling as the US/UK in their publications when they do dual languages. I am wiling to bet that this was after ASTP in 1975. Before that that they probably only wrote in Russian. Their association with East Germany precedes this of course, with Bykovsky actually living in Germany for a few years. Several future cosmonauts were stationed there during the Cold War era and a few actually speak and write German better than English. Viktor Afanasyev for example. |
Chuckster01
Member Posts: 961
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 05-16-2020 02:57 PM
I have two more covers to ID. Please help. 
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eurospace
Member Posts: 2622
From: Berlin, Germany
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-16-2020 03:37 PM
The names of the four Soyuz 4 + 5 cosmonauts are written in Kyrillic letters right above the signatures, and within the souvenir sheet.Shatalov, Volynov, Yeliseyev, Khrunov.
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eurospace
Member Posts: 2622
From: Berlin, Germany
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-16-2020 03:42 PM
Gagarin, Bykovsky, Belyaev, Yegorov, Leonov, Popovich, Feoktistov, Tereshkova, Nikolayev, Titov.Komarov did not sign this postcard. The autograph of Gagarin seems a bit unusual to me.
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NicDavies
Member Posts: 12
From: Tobermory, Argyll, Scotland
Registered: Jan 2019
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posted 05-16-2020 06:56 PM
I haven't done a huge amount on the Russian front, but the last cover and the photo postcard bother me. Some of the signatures look a little laboured. I also agree the Gagarin looks odd, unless it's an early version, but if so then the Leonov seems out of place if done at the same time. Definitely worth a visit to the Zarelli lab for peace of mind. |
Neil DC
Member Posts: 152
From: Middletown, NJ, USA
Registered: May 2010
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posted 05-17-2020 05:05 PM
I have a similar Kniga Soyuz 4/5 cover. Looks okay to me. The Shatalov is a little labored but could just have been hurried. He is/was one of the easier to have got to sign it, so less doubt about it. The Gagarin does look unusual, but the rest look okay. |
NicDavies
Member Posts: 12
From: Tobermory, Argyll, Scotland
Registered: Jan 2019
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posted 05-18-2020 06:04 AM
As a sometimes buyer of Russian material, and as a significant part of the value of the photo is the "Gagarin," I guess my point is that I wouldn't buy this without additional verification. The original post was an enquiry merely to aid an auction description by the seller, so I wanted to highlight an issue that might be worth resolving in order to maximise bids. It's a good cause after all. |
Chuckster01
Member Posts: 961
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 05-19-2020 04:36 AM
Thank you all for the input. All of these items are being sent for authentication. We want to know they are good in every respect. |
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