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Topic: Milt Windler's Apollo 8 flannel flags
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Cagedfalcon
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posted 03-12-2020 10:06 PM
   
Just found reference to this flag in Jeffrey Kluger's "Apollo 8," page 201.Thought up by Milt Windler for the first successful mission to the moon. Handmade by many of the flight controllers wives and helpers in red and blue flannel and the prominent #1 in the center was a jab at the Russians. Does anyone have a photo of this that they would be willing to part with?  |
Cagedfalcon
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posted 03-16-2020 07:20 PM
Ok, on page 247, just after Borman's recitation of Genesis and Christmas greetings: Milt Windler, now sitting at the flight directors console, considered his bundle of happy flags with their big numeral and decided that they would forever be packed away.He thought that nothing could surpass that moment. Does anyone know how to contact Milt? I would really like to find more information on the distribution of this flag. Thanks in advance. |
Cagedfalcon
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posted 05-10-2020 10:54 PM
Well, I finally was able to contact Milton and he was very surprised that I had an Apollo 8 flag designed by him as he doesn't even have one! He has verified from photos. He has no idea what happened to the originals. He had only mentioned the flag in passing to Jeffrey Kruger over 10 years ago. Jeffery must of taken great notes.I feel a great honor to have this piece of history that never was. Does anyone have another or even seen another reference to it? |
Cagedfalcon
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posted 08-20-2020 10:17 PM
Received authentication letter back from Milton. Now to get it framed.What would be the best orientation for flag, letter and photo of Milton with both? And what size pic?  
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Panther494
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posted 08-21-2020 06:58 AM
Personally I would have the flag framed with an iconic photo from the mission. Earthrise obviously being an option.The authentication letter and photo I would have attached to the back of the frame. This keeps the flag as a centre piece and uncluttered. Sometimes less is more. |
Cagedfalcon
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posted 08-22-2020 01:18 AM
Thank you, never crossed my mind. This why I seek advice. |
Cagedfalcon
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posted 08-22-2020 04:56 PM
This security badge & 3.5x3.5 reversed Earthrise as well as the flag are from Bill Platt whom I received the bulk of my collection from.Would these be appropriate to add to the framed flag display? Pics to follow |
Jonnyed
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posted 08-22-2020 05:28 PM
I like the idea of earthrise photo and the flag, and you may want to consider the addition of an Apollo 8 mission patch.As you know the shape of the Apollo 8 mission patch is unique and if done right could be placed next to right side (half-diamond cutout) of the flag. But not too close — go for balanced contrast of the shapes. |
Cagedfalcon
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posted 08-25-2020 11:31 PM
These are part of the collection that came with my flag. I feel that at least the reversed Earthrise should be mounted and possibly with the badge. I will definitely also add an original Apollo 8 patch as recommended earlier.  
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kosmo
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posted 08-26-2020 10:00 AM
That all adds to the provenance of the flag, keeping them together is a great idea. Things that you want to keep with the flag, but that you don't want up front, can be matted on the reverse, with glass, so their protected, but visible (if you flip the frame), and looks great. I have done this to some items I got from Gene Kranz.By the way, just my opinion, while the Apollo 8 patch would look nice, I don't think it adds anything to the items you have, it would not be from the Milton collection. |
David Carey
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posted 08-27-2020 06:16 PM
Neat item. At the risk of stating the obvious, I've always found it fun and helpful to use "paper dolls" for experimental arrangement of items being framed. Correctly-sized and scaled printouts can be used to physically prototype a layout. You can also employ Photoshop or PowerPoint to quickly/virtually evaluate differing ideas and see what looks best. Unless noteworthy by itself, I also tend to put certification on the back of the framed group, typically using the standard glass that comes with the frame for backside cover. Sometimes an added mission patch helps, sometimes it just creates clutter - agreed that less is often more. Would certainly recommend using Museum Glass with anti-reflective coating and UV protection as replacement front glazing. Not cheap but worth every penny for appearance and preservation. Likewise, be sure all framing/matting/etc is done using acid-free materials. Once you've found the right arrangement, the next challenge is how to mount objects in a manner that is secure but unobtrusive, non-damaging, and fully reversible. Good luck on your project! |
kosmo
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posted 08-28-2020 07:07 PM
You don't need to spend the extra money on museum grade glass with anti-reflective coating and UV protection, just use conservation grade glass, it has the 99% UV protection, and no anti-reflective coating. At the frame shop, you can see the difference, but in a home setting, you'll never notice the difference. |
Cagedfalcon
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posted 08-28-2020 09:39 PM
Thank you all for the recommendations. My collection will be in a newly built 200sqft windowless room so at this point natural light will be at a minimum. Space intertwined with military items. Still working on interior but all good thing come to those who wait. |
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