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Topic: Help with inherited space cover collection
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WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 07-29-2016 04:01 PM
I've received as a present from my uncle, his space stamps and covers collection. He has collected them trough many years but, as he says, in an absolutely not "professional" way.I'd like to share them with you to have some hints on their "content." This is the first one, a Shuttle SRB Drop Test Cover. Any hints on who signed the cover? Could be Ray Young, Fitz Fulton and? |
yeknom-ecaps Member Posts: 660 From: Northville MI USA Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 07-29-2016 04:06 PM
Correct, NB-52B crew signatures - Ray Young (launch panel operator), Fitz Fulton (pilot), and Don Mallick (pilot) |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 07-29-2016 04:15 PM
Thanks, I missed the third one.Suppose they could be considered authentic signatures correct? |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 07-29-2016 04:25 PM
Second Cover: STS-3 White Sands: Fullerton and Lousma authentic signatures? |
Ken Havekotte Member Posts: 2914 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 07-29-2016 04:29 PM
Yes, they look fine. |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 07-29-2016 04:40 PM
Thanks! Cover 3: STS-55 full (?) crew signatures. Could be ok? |
yeknom-ecaps Member Posts: 660 From: Northville MI USA Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 07-29-2016 04:43 PM
Yes SRB cover signatures are authentic, STS-55 is full crew and looks okay too...Wikipedia has list of all shuttle crew members you can check covers against to see if full crew or not. |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 07-29-2016 04:50 PM
Thanks for the really kind support. I've searched but sometimes I cannot map the astronaut name to the "signature."Cover 4: Skylab 4 (Carr, Gibson, Pogue). Looks okay? |
yeknom-ecaps Member Posts: 660 From: Northville MI USA Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 07-29-2016 04:57 PM
Look okay — you can first check to see if signatures are machine written autopens at astroautopens.com or here. |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 07-29-2016 05:02 PM
Thanks, I was quite confident on these signatures. But now comes the hard part for the east side.Cover 5: Vostok 6 - Tereshkova: |
Mike_The_First Member Posts: 436 From: USA Registered: Jun 2014
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posted 07-29-2016 05:08 PM
I don't know how many you have, but it'd probably be easier for everyone to just have one post with all of them in it so people can just scroll through then give their thoughts and opinions without turning this into a huge back and forth. |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 07-29-2016 05:10 PM
Sure, didn't knew which would be the correct way of doing this. Will proceed in this way. Thanks! |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 07-29-2016 05:18 PM
Cover 6: Vostok 1 - Gagarin:Cover 7: Vostok 5 - Bikowsky: Cover 8: Vostok 3/4 - Nikolayev, Popovic: Cover 9: Vostok 3/4/5/6 - Nikolayev, Popovic, Bikovsky, Tereskova: |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 07-29-2016 05:40 PM
Cover 10: Soyuz 14 - Popowisch, Artjuchin:Cover 11: Soyuz 31 - Jaehn, Bykovsky and Koellner (backup): Cover 12: Soyuz 36 - Kubassov, Farkas: Cover 13: Soyuz 37 - Gorbatko, Tuan (this is not the previously posted one): |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 07-29-2016 05:41 PM
Cover 14: Soyuz 39 - Dzanibekov, Guraggtchaa:Cover 15: Soyuz T11 - Malyschew, Strekalow, Sharma: Cover 16: Soyuz TM-13 - Vieboeck, Volkov, Aubakirov: Cover 17: Soyuz TM-14 (15?) - ?? |
Ken Havekotte Member Posts: 2914 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 07-29-2016 06:10 PM
To start off with a few, and just my own opinion, it looks to be genuine signatures of the crew-signed cover from STS-55 along with the SL-4 insert card. But I do not like the Russian signatures of Tereshkova and Gagarin of Covers #5 and 6, for sure. |
MIsterTrunk Member Posts: 59 From: Moscow, Russia Registered: Feb 2015
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posted 07-30-2016 05:56 AM
Gagarin and Tereshova signed covers are not authentic. |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 07-30-2016 06:54 AM
Suspected, especially the Gagarin first letter was really strange.What about the other Russian covers (especially the Vostok one)? Thanks. |
MIsterTrunk Member Posts: 59 From: Moscow, Russia Registered: Feb 2015
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posted 07-31-2016 04:45 AM
Cover 7, 8 and 10 are good in my opinion. I don't like Bykovsky signature on 9 cover — it looks slowly written to me. |
Wehaveliftoff Member Posts: 2343 From: Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 08-12-2016 11:28 PM
Wow, I understand the Gagarin is bad, but why mess with a more common Tereshkova? Really makes this collection suspect, sorry to say. |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 08-13-2016 05:11 AM
From my first post, this collection has been put together by my uncle in some years from a number of different sources.Some could be good, some not due to the fact that he was not a professional (and this is the reason why I posted them here). In particular, Gagarin and Tereshcova covers are from the same source. Why I should consider "this collection suspect"? It can contain good or bad things but I would not consider it "suspect"... |
fredtrav Member Posts: 1673 From: Birmingham AL Registered: Aug 2010
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posted 08-13-2016 08:46 AM
Agreed. I am sure that in my collection there lurks a bad one or ten. If it was put together over several years time, then that does not make everything suspect. A bad one is easy enough to get put in. Nice collection of stuff, enjoy it. |
Chuckster01 Member Posts: 873 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 08-13-2016 10:21 AM
I also agree, I started collecting 30+ years ago and Ken Havekotte has already pointed out a few suspect signatures from my collection. We learn as we progress. |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 08-24-2016 06:25 PM
I've scanned some more items to share with you. Waiting for your kind feedback.Soyuz 6 (Shonin, Kubasov) Soyuz 33 (Rukavishnikov, Ivanov) Soyuz 39 (Dzhanibekov, Gürragchaa) Soyuz 40 (Popov, Prunariu) |
eurospace Member Posts: 2610 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 08-25-2016 04:45 PM
All four of the last posting seem fine with me.
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WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 08-26-2016 03:43 AM
Thanks for all your kind reply. These two rises some more questions.Soyuz T-4 (Kavalënak, Savinych): What meaning has the Salyut 6 cancel? Soyuz T-6: Not signed. Is this a standard cover? Soyuz TM-3 (?): This is cryptic to me. I'm not able to link the 3 (4?) signatures to an astronaut, the meaning of the arab wording and of the date on the lower left signature Soyuz TM-13 (Viehböck, Lothaller - Backup) |
Apollo-Soyuz Member Posts: 1205 From: Shady Side, Md Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 08-26-2016 08:21 AM
Any Apollo-Soyuz Test Project covers in the collection? Maybe you can email me a list of any ASTP covers. I have a ASTP collection. |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 08-29-2016 02:59 AM
Currently not.Any feedback from cS friends on the above covers? |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 09-09-2016 04:26 PM
Digging through the collection I've found these two covers. Any hints on if they were flown?Soyuz 38? Soyuz 28? |
eurospace Member Posts: 2610 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 09-10-2016 04:24 PM
Soyuz T-4 (and others): these are souvenir imprints of bord cancels applied on Earth. These covers have not flown.Soyuz TM-3: I do not speak or read Arabic, but the Arab signature in the centre is probably of the Syrian backup, Munir Habib. At least that's what I read from the cyrillic version of his signature. Still uncertain whether the Syrian prime cosmonaut, Mohammad Fares, has also signed the cover. The single letter signature above could indicate him. |
eurospace Member Posts: 2610 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 09-10-2016 04:25 PM
Soyuz 28 and 38: again, souvenir cancellations of the bord cancels. Applied on the ground, not in space.
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WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 09-12-2016 03:35 AM
Thanks for the really kind answer.What differentiates (a part a strong documentation) a "board" cancelled cover from an "earth" cancelled cover? |
eurospace Member Posts: 2610 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 09-13-2016 11:58 AM
Telling a flown cover from an unflown cover is a large topic, so just some general considerations: - flown covers usually carry an octagonal board cancel confirming it was onboard the station. Souvenir covers don't.
- sometimes the various examples of existing cancellations show small variations
- a different letter size or type here, a different date line type there etc.
- Flown covers are postmarked on board on certain days during the flights. By research it can be established which dates this were, and which postmarkers were used.
- Walter Hopferwieser (here onboard) has put a lot of research into the matter of flown mail. His book "Cosmic Mail and early pioneer rocket mail" described elsewhere here on collectspace is an excellent study and can give you many pointers.
Hope this helps, — Jürgen |
Neil DC Member Posts: 140 From: Middletown, NJ, USA Registered: May 2010
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posted 09-13-2016 12:13 PM
Soyuz TM-3 cover: Does look like the back-up crew. Solvyov, Savinykh and Habib. Also looks like Savinykh started to sign upside down, then stopped and signed the right way up. You should check the back of these envelops for autographs and cancellations too. |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 09-14-2016 05:44 AM
Jürgen, thanks a lot for your complete answer. I will surely buy the proposed book. |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 09-14-2016 05:45 AM
Thanks Neil! That's a funny thing about the reverse signature. You're absolute right. |
cosmos-walter Member Posts: 691 From: Salzburg, Austria Registered: Jun 2003
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posted 09-14-2016 09:00 AM
My book is in German language with many pictures and other information, which are also useful if you don't know German. You can find more here. |
WileECoyoteIT Member Posts: 60 From: Italy Registered: Jul 2016
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posted 09-14-2016 09:23 AM
Thanks Walter, I think I will wait for the English version. Sorry but my German is absolutely zero. |
cosmos-walter Member Posts: 691 From: Salzburg, Austria Registered: Jun 2003
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posted 09-14-2016 02:04 PM
Unfortunately, it will take many years till an English version is available. Therefore I recommend all collectors the German book with many self-explaining pictures of flown covers and letters and figures including number existing and prices. |