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RichieB16
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posted 03-08-2015 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RichieB16   Click Here to Email RichieB16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am in the process of going through my collection and cataloging/organizing it. There are several items I purchased on eBay when I was young (early 2000s) and looking back I question the authenticity of some of them. I simply didn't have the knowledge to safely purchase these items.

Several I feel look good and others concern me. So, I'm going to post them up here and ask for the advice of the group.

This is a card signed by Gordon Cooper. This one looks pretty good to my eyes. My understanding is the card itself is a 1963 Topps Popsicle Back.

Do you think the signature is authentic?

Here is another one of my early eBay purchases. This is a KSC Vistors Complex tour ticket from May 1999.

This ticket appears to be signed by both Scott Carpenter and Pete Conrad. To my eyes, they look like good signature... but again, I simply don't know for sure. I'd love to hear some other opinions.

This is an interest purchase of mine from back in the day. Again, bought on eBay in the early 2000s. It was purchased with the description of a signed B&W 8x10 photo. What I received was a photo that appears to be a cheap copy on very thin photo paper. Probably printed from a home computer. The paper is slightly ticker than normal printer paper and has a light gloss to it... the photo is quite grainy and towards the bottom the color changes suggesting whoever printed it must have ran out of ink. Had I had the sense I have now, I would have returned it for that reason alone.

That said, the image is clearly hand signed using a sharpie type pen. The ink actually bleeds slightly through the paper and is visible from the back. Despite the quality of the photo itself, the signature looks decent based on what I have seen of others in the past.

What do you think?

Ken Havekotte
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posted 03-08-2015 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All look fine to me.

RichieB16
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posted 03-09-2015 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RichieB16   Click Here to Email RichieB16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks.

Does anyone else have an opinion on these?

rgarner
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posted 03-09-2015 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to agree with Ken but if you want something more "solid" may I suggest Zarelli Space Authentication.

jtheoret
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posted 03-09-2015 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jtheoret   Click Here to Email jtheoret     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are all good. You can trust Ken - Steve also of course, but these are pretty common straight forward autographs.

RichieB16
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posted 03-09-2015 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RichieB16   Click Here to Email RichieB16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, thanks guys!!!

RichieB16
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posted 03-15-2015 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RichieB16   Click Here to Email RichieB16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are couple others that I picked up around the same time online.

The first is an Ed Gibson signed cover. I have no reason to think it's fake as his auto is super common... but since I didn't get it directly from him I just wanted a second opinion. I believe this autograph to be 100% authentic.

This next one is a little odd piece in my opinion. This pieces is slightly larger than a standard piece of computer paper and is on thicker stock. It has sketch images of the Apollo 12 crew and printed signatures.

Again, this is one of my early 2000s online purchases before I knew anything. Below the pre-printed Alan Bean signature, is the autograph of his backup Jim Irwin. The Irwin appears to be authentic to my eyes based on examples I have seen. But, again, I'm not an expert with his stuff so I'd like to get someone else's opinion.

RichieB16
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posted 03-15-2015 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RichieB16   Click Here to Email RichieB16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is an item I picked up back in the early 2000s online. Based on Grissom autographs I have seen it looks comparable to authentic items signed with his given name. However, being an online purchase from a time when I did not have that much knowledge, I'm a little concerned. I'd love some insight.

The piece itself is a little odd. The signature does appear to be hand signed in ink and does not match any auto pen patters I have seen. It appears that the signature was on a note card and that card was later cut and attached to a MR-4 FDC.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this piece.

mach3valkyrie
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posted 03-15-2015 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mach3valkyrie   Click Here to Email mach3valkyrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You may want to check Steve Zarelli's excellent Grissom autograph study so you can compare.

RichieB16
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posted 03-15-2015 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RichieB16   Click Here to Email RichieB16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just checked out that study and I'll be honest, I notice a couple differences right off the bat that worry me.

First, on every signature where he signed "Virgil I. Grissom" he had a period after his "I." Secondly, the G in Grissom looks wrong. It appears that the signer started high, went downward and then went back upward to start the G. I don't see a single capitol G (in Gus or Grissom) in that study that starts that way.

RichieB16
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posted 03-17-2015 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RichieB16   Click Here to Email RichieB16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any opinions on the Irwin or Gibson autographs?

Ken Havekotte
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posted 03-17-2015 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just saw the new postings here, and yes, since you're asking an opinion — the Gibson and Irwin are iron-clad authentic. The Grissom, if not a copy or reprint from another paper item, appears to be genuine from his earlier NASA astronaut career.

RichieB16
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posted 03-17-2015 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RichieB16   Click Here to Email RichieB16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your thoughts. I had a pretty good feeling about the Gibson and the Irwin, I just wanted to see if someone else felt the same way.

The Grissom is starting to concern me a little though. It is definitely hand signed and it's not a autopen or printed signature. However, I do see a couple small differences in it and the examples posted on the website above. Those differences concern me.

RichieB16
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posted 03-21-2015 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RichieB16   Click Here to Email RichieB16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a really interesting piece that I would love some insight on. Again, bought in the early 2000s online, probably on eBay.

This is a FDC commemorative the water survival training of some of the 1978 astronaut class. This cover contains 14 (possibly 15) signatures and I'd love to know what you think of the authenticity.

This cover has signatures of Mike Mullane, Steve Nagel, George Nelson, Ellison Onizuka, Judy Resnik, Sally Ride, Dick Scobee, Rhea Seddon, Bewster Shaw, Loren Shriver, Bob Stewart, Kathryn Sullivan, Norm Thagard, and James van Hoften. The spaces for David Walker and Donald Williams are crossed out which makes that part of the cover quite ugly unfortunately. But, it also appears that David Walker may have signed and then been crossed out.

I would love to get some ideas about the authenticity of this piece and if it is authentic, what it might be worth. I have no interest in selling it, just kind of curious on that part.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 03-21-2015 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since you're asking, all 15 signatures on this 1978 postal cover from Homestead AFB, FL, are indeed authentic.

At the time of the cover signing, the 15 (altogether 35) shuttle astronaut candidates were in evaluation training for a year(+) at the NASA Johnson Space Center.

When the cover was posted on July 31, 1978, the new candidates would all be eligible for an assignment on a future space shuttle flight crew nearly a year later in August 1979.

Of the 15 represented here, six of them are no longer with us (Scobee, Onizuka, Resnik, Walker, Ride, and Nagel).

RichieB16
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posted 03-22-2015 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RichieB16   Click Here to Email RichieB16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always believed that cover was good... I'm glad someone else thinks so too. It's a shame someone scribbled over the last two names (and what appears to be an autograph by the late David Walker).

Here is another cover I purchased at the same time from the same seller. Again, I have always thought it to be good but I wanted another opinion.

This one contains signatures of Frederick Hauck, Steven Hawley, Jeffery Hoffman, Jon McBride and the late Ronald McNair.

RichieB16
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posted 03-26-2015 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RichieB16   Click Here to Email RichieB16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any opinions on this last item? Thanks!

mach3valkyrie
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posted 03-26-2015 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mach3valkyrie   Click Here to Email mach3valkyrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They all look like the real deal to me.

RichieB16
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posted 03-27-2015 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RichieB16   Click Here to Email RichieB16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really appreciate the responses so far, you guys have been a big help. I have a few more to post. Hopefully you guys don't mind giving a few more opinions.

Here is a 3x5 unlined post card with a signature of Ed White. It does not conform to any autopen that I have seen. What do you think.

RichieB16
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posted 04-04-2015 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RichieB16   Click Here to Email RichieB16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any thoughts on the Ed White?

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