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Topic: 220367887547: Original Gemini 9 patch
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Raptor79
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posted 02-25-2009 03:26 PM
   
Something tells me this patch will reach a fantastic price. Item number: 220367887547  Wouldn't mind adding this beauty to my collection.
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Raptor79
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posted 02-25-2009 03:38 PM
So is this the crew patch, because it's different to the example shown on Chris Spain's website? However it looks more like the ones the astronauts wore on their flight suits. |
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posted 02-25-2009 05:11 PM
It's pretty interesting as there are certain differences to both examples I have on my site. Since I don't own an example of this patch myself I can only go by the pictures I have from other people, BUT the features I mention below in the two examples on my site are consistent with the example shown by NASA on their Gemini flown patches photos (e.g. S-66-64943):
- The gap between the body and tab appears to be a broad expanse of silver/grey thread in this example versus a narrow black line in the tabbed example on my site.
- On this one the background stitching seem to have a vertical pattern to it whilst both examples I have on the site seem to have a distinct horizontal pattern.
- The "X" on this example is skinnier, with the crossover being completely hidden behind the Agena whereas on the two examples on my site the white thread of the "X" joins up well above and below.
- The astronaut on this example is much bolder and extends out over the blue background thread.
- The lettering is subtly different. The example on my site has very short horizontal elements on the "F"s, a broader "D", an "E" that leans to the right...
The patch certainly looks very close to the examples I have but these differences seem significant. Maybe it's from a different production run? |
benguttery
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posted 02-25-2009 07:03 PM
Nice patch. I wish I knew more about it. I can tell some differences between the one I sold recently on ebay and this one:- different color background blue embroidery - embroidered on gray cloth, not dark blue or black cloth. Good luck everyone. |
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posted 03-03-2009 01:48 PM
Sold at $1009.99. Phew!I've added this as [GT9UNK2] on my site. |
stsmithva
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posted 03-03-2009 03:24 PM
I don't collect patches and I'm sorry if this is a clueless question, but I have to ask: aren't patches made in runs/lots of hundreds or thousands? How is it possible for a "new", previously unknown type to emerge after more than 40 years?And how can one tell that this isn't a recently-made counterfeit attempt to create a "new", previously unknown type? Never mind if that would reveal information that someone could use to make such a fake harder to spot. Thanks,
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benguttery
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posted 03-03-2009 04:03 PM
The Gemini mission patches were made in very small lots. Probably less than 100. Currently available threads and machines cannot duplicate what was produced 40 years ago as technology and materials have changed. The style of manufacture and type of thread indicates that this patch is/was of the correct era. What I don't understand is why the tabs were trimmed from these patches. Anyone know? What is so nice about the Gemini patches is that fakes or souvenir patches really stand out. They only generally resemble to real thing. Look on ebay at the souvenir type patches; they look awful. Further, most serious collectors are aware of the only set that resembles the originals which was produced a decade or more ago by Randy Wagner of Cargo Bay Emblems. There has been discussion of producing a new set here in CS, but nothing has occurred.
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benguttery
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From: Fort Worth, TX, USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 04-19-2009 03:27 PM
Did you miss your chance at this one? Here is another one for you. 250410135190Enjoy. Email with question or comments. Ben |
andrewcli
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From: La Jolla, CA, USA
Registered: Jul 2007
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posted 04-27-2009 11:28 PM
Ben, I was thinking about your comment regarding the trimming the names off the patch. If you look at their space suits, they already have the black name tags. My guess is that the Stafford Cernan tag on the patch was too distracting and they trimmed it off. With the other flights, the names may not be so prominent or embedded in the patches themselves to detract from the name tags already on the space suits. What may also support my statement is that on the blue flight suits, the tag is still attached to the patch while there is no other other name tag on the flight suit. Another possibility is that they were honoring See and Bassett by removing their names on the patches on their space suits and the technicians' white coats. It seems that the ability to separate the names from the patch was part of the design otherwise the trimmed areas might fray apart when cut. I should have asked Cernan when I had the chance at SpaceFest. Just my 2 cents worth.
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benguttery
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posted 04-28-2009 08:27 PM
I asked the owner of Texas Art Embroidery a Houston company that made many early patches about the Gemini IX patches discussed here:"The Gemini IX emblem that we supplied, like all emblems at that time, was produced on a Schiffli machine. The base twill fabric that was spanned on the [embroidery] machine was royal blue, not grey. For a practical matter when producing an emblem with a solid stitched background, we normally will use the same or a darker shade of base material as it allows for a normal default setting of stitch density ...as opposed to using a lighter shade of twill that would demand a heavier stitch density to cover properly. Although we supplied the emblems, we did not produce them here in our plant as we only operated multi-head machines. The quality of those emblems would never have met our standards, but as I recall, NASA specifications called for Schiffli production.
Sorry, but I have no knowledge as to why the rocker was omitted from the main emblem for the flight." So, it sounds like Texas Art supplied, but did not make the patches embroidered on the blue cloth. |
Voyager1975
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posted 05-01-2009 06:52 AM
Any idea what year AB Emblem first started using the current muti-head embroidery machines and stopped using Schiffli machines? I believe it was sometime in 1999 with the STS-103 patch. |
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