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Jim B
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posted 05-21-2024 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim B   Click Here to Email Jim B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello all: First, thanks for letting me join the group. I've combed these pages for a while in researching issues, but didn't register as a member until yesterday. So thanks and wonderful making everyone's acquaintance.

Not sure where to start, but I'd love to start up a conversation and perhaps, down the road, trades in items (or even just trades in stories!) with any fellow serious John Glenn collectors.

If folks send me e-mails, I can give you an idea of the scope of my collection. I’ve tried to collect bits and pieces from each "era" of his life (earliest is a 1944 book on Marine Corp aviation). A few of his WWII era books and couple of signed $1 silver certificates.

Over the years, I’ve stumbled upon some humble and/or humorous early autographs/letters. At his homecoming parade at New Concord, Ohio, on March 3, 1962, he met with all of his old high school teachers (including Hartford Steele). They took a great group photo I had never seen anywhere else before (then or now). Just one for each of the teachers, I guess. His biology teacher (Ada Doris Cain) lived to be 98 and just passed away in 1996. Anyway, in going through her house/estate, they found the mementos from that night, along with the large photo and a great handwritten note from that day wherein Glenn wrote to his former teacher saying "See what you started with all that Biology!!" Another is a great cheeky letter (one month before his Friendship 7 take off) he wrote to someone who sent him a gag gift of a passport for the moon. Glenn wrote back saying "thanks for the passport to the Moon, looks like I'm all set now!"

Finally, a neat two page handwritten letter written to a lady who described herself as "a crazy lady from Bethlehem, PA" (along with her actual name). She complained of having been diagnosed with "the astronaut's disease—labyrinthitis." In response, Glenn wrote an incredibly heartwarming and compassionate letter to this lady, discussing his own experience with Mueniere Syndrome (he put "sp?" after using that term), and describing the pain and agony he experienced with his fall and ear injury. He ended the letter with "I know the agonies you go through, but hope you get full recovery as I did." Signed by Glenn and dated Nov 2, 1973, The whole letter in his cursive handwriting.

That was obviously the type of guy he was. A gentleman and an American hero — but not too big to respond to a self described "crazy lady from Bethlehem, PA."

So, if there are any other serious Glenn collectors, I'd really love to hear from you. I can't be the only one, right?! I'd love to hear from you via a post here or by e-mail.

Sorry for the long post, but I'm really excited to hear from fellow serious collectors — even if just to marvel in each other's collections, and nothing more. I'd also like to hear people's take on those early signed silver certificates.

Thanks for listening and tolerating my long message, folks. You can tell I fell passionate about the man and his legacy. And thanks again for accepting me into your collecting ranks.

Axman
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posted 05-22-2024 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Axman   Click Here to Email Axman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like a seriously good collection you have there. I only collect space covers and so my Glenn section is relatively small, although I have some rare covers relating to his Mercury flight.

I have never heard about the flown material with Glenn before, I had no idea he had any personal items with him on the Friendship 7 flight; interesting.

Jim B
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posted 05-22-2024 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim B   Click Here to Email Jim B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. The story of the silver certificate dollar bills has fascinated me. Just drop me an e-mail and I can send you a few pictures of the bills and newspaper articles about the dollar bills in the capsule that ran in all the stateside papers at the end of February 1962. Here is the short story here.

Col John "Shorty" Powers alleged that around 200 $1 and $2 bills in the capsule, so Glenn could sign and give to supporters and NASA techs afterwards. Tons of newspapers screamed with headlines like "'200 dollar bills that travelled with Glenn," "Glenn's capsule carried smuggled dollar bills," "Space Craft Packed with Contraband Dollars," "Glenn's Craft Had Contraband Cargo of Bucks," and "Dollars in Capsule Draw Official Censure." I've got a scrapbook full of these articles.

Quoting from one fairly long article:

Lt. Col. John A 'Shorty' Powers told newsmen that something like 200 $1 bills were hidden aboard astronaut John Glenn Jr's spacecraft by the launch crew before Glenn's three-orbit flight. Powers on Monday showed the newsmen one of the bills on which he was collecting signatures from all the astronauts...
According to various newspaper articles, some members of Congress got upset and Glenn had to testify in front of the House Space Committee about it and if he knew before hand (he said he saw only one during the flight... LOL).

Then, on March 8 or 9, NASA sent a memo to Powers, Glenn, Slayton (then next in line for a flight before getting bumped) saying basically "no more currency in the capsules." That memo is in the John Glenn archives at OSU. By that time, NASA also said (I think in the same memo) that only about 83 bills remained or were in the capsule. Then Glenn signed certificates for each bill saying this represented one of the bills on board and no more. You can see an example of one of these signed certificates on eBay right now for a lot (let's say, much more than a dollar!).

I’ve been curious whether it was only 83 $1 and $2 dollar bills instead of 200 claimed by Shorty Powers. The story of the dollar bills aboard Friendship 7 was a story quickly quelled by NASA within a couple of weeks after splashdown, but I think a very fascinating one!

Happy to send you a couple of pictures via e-mail if you like!

onesmallstep
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posted 05-22-2024 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for onesmallstep   Click Here to Email onesmallstep     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting that this "money in space" dustup came months after Gus Grissom took rolls of dimes aboard MR-4/Liberty Bell 7. Nothing ever came of it; I guess people were more focused on the blown hatch and Gus' near-drowning.

Jim B
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posted 05-22-2024 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim B   Click Here to Email Jim B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Crazy, right? I just re-read a stack of newspaper articles I printed out from around the country (courtesy of Newspapers.com) about the “contraband cargo of bucks” on Friendship Seven (as one paper entitled its article), and not one article, not one, mentioned Gus and his rolls of dimes. It was a congressman or two who wanted to make an issue about the dollar bills and Glenn or take a shot at NASA for whatever reason, or maybe a realization (as you suggest) that they should be focusing on more important things..like the near death of Gus Grissom, and not silly things like dollars or dimes in space.

Joel Katzowitz
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posted 05-22-2024 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joel Katzowitz   Click Here to Email Joel Katzowitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a flown one dollar "Silver Certificate" that was flown on Wally Schirra's MA-8 flight. After the flight he gifted it to Bill Dana AKA Jose Jimenez.

I have a photo of the dollar bill in a frame as displayed in Bill Dana's home as well as a COA signed by Dana attesting to its authenticity which includes the dollar's serial number. The dollar bill itself is also signed by Wally.

Jim B
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posted 05-22-2024 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim B   Click Here to Email Jim B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very cool! I had read someplace that Wally had bills in his capsule, too.

What a cool item! Congratulations on it, too! I hope you have it framed someplace nice!

Ken Havekotte
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posted 05-22-2024 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First, Jim, welcome to the collectSPACE family as you will never find a better friendlier and helpful group of space collectors and enthusiasts in the whole wide world, and on a personal note, I sure do hope your health issues improve.

Count me in for sure when it comes to John Glenn being one of my all-time favorite astronauts. While I never met the Mercury astronaut-turned-US Senator-and later turned shuttle astronaut until the 1970's, our paths were able to meet on several occasions and in spending quality time together during his visits to the Space Coast and Central Florida.

Regarding the flown monetary items aboard Glenn's MA-6/Friendship 7 spacecraft, in brief, there had been 52 American silver certificate dollar bills, mostly of the $1 currently level, that had been recorded after the flight. Each bill had been mounted on a special certificate and signed by Glenn and his backup pilot Scott Carpenter at the bottom right side. For each flown bill there was a COA issued that recorded their serial numbers with Glenn also signing each bill "JHGlenn, Jr." above the serial number on the bottom left side.

Before launch on our nation's first manned orbital spaceflight, Guenter Wendt and his closeout crew placed all of the bills together in a heatshrink tubing that had been carefully attached to a wiring bundle above the main conical heat shield area while inside the pilot's cabin behind him. After the mission, the currency bills were mostly given away to McDonnell spacecraft team members as mementoes of such a historical feat.

Mine had come from Wendt himself nearly 25 years ago with serial number E85611776A. For the two you have, if flown Jim, they should have their certifications as described.

Jim B
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posted 05-22-2024 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim B   Click Here to Email Jim B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ken! Very helpful and thanks for the welcome too.

Quick question for you. Do you think Shorty Powers was just guesstimating when he said that 200 $1 bills were stashed on board, got the number wrong, and was referring instead to the 80-odd $1 and $2 dollar bills that were certified as you have described? Or could there have been other ones that escaped certification for one reason or another?

Reason I ask is one of the two bills I have was signed by Glenn exactly as you have described (but minus the COA), and given to an RCA technician on Grand Turk Island. Along with the bill were photos of Glenn, LBJ and six of the seven astronauts having breakfast on the island and photos of Friendship 7 being loaded onto a cargo plane. I suppose Glenn could have just taken a bill out of his wallet for the RCA tech at the mess hall during breakfast a day or two later too! But the signature and location definitely matches all the others I’ve seen.

And wow... your flown bill is incredible. A definite museum piece! And thanks again for the very helpful post/reply!

Jim B
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posted 05-22-2024 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim B   Click Here to Email Jim B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And thanks for the well-wishes, Ken. As someone told me recently, we play the cards we are dealt! I found that to be a healthy view.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 05-22-2024 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First off, Jim, I really don't know why Shorty Powers said that 200 dollar bills had been aboard Spacecraft #13/Friendship 7. Perhaps there had been some rumors about flown currency by spacecraft ground support personnel from that post-landing period that Powers might have gotten wind of, but I don't think such news or rumors would had been circulated that close after splashdown.

If my memory is correct, though, Friendship 7 didn't get back to the Cape until the next couple of days. Once recovered at sea, the capsule was delivered to Grand Turk Island by a MA-6 Navy recovery force fleet ship (USS Randolph). From there after a quick DOD and NASA safety inspection, it was loaded on an Air Force transport flight back to Florida's launch base.

While back at the Cape's old Atlantic Missile Range in Hangar S, that's when the hiding dollar bills were retrieved from the flown-in-space capsule.

Jim B
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posted 05-22-2024 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim B   Click Here to Email Jim B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ken: Your description definitely comports with the content of the March 9, 1962, NASA memo, to a tee. The memo discusses in depth the issue of money in the capsule, chain of custody, how much, how it was handled, etc.

The memo does read to me a bit like NASA damage control. At one point in the memo, the memo stated that the money "was secured in a manner safe for flight. In fact, it was more secure than some of the necessary equipment the Astronaut took with him." Then a few lines later, in direct response to congressional concerns reported in the papers, the memo continues: "There was absolutely no damage of jamming delicate equipment as stated in the news articles." And certainly much less currency listed in the memo than Powers had claimed (probably erroneously).

For me, one of the stranger lines in the memo is at the end. Colonel John "Shorty" Powers started the controversy by holding up a dollar bill at a press conference that he said was in the capsule and said he was in the process of collecting signatures of the various astronauts on it. He was specifically copied on this memo (along with Glenn, Slayton, Gilruth, Williams, and Preston), and then at the very end of the memo, there is this statement: "Since that time (the time of money extraction at Cape Canaveral), it has been kept intact and at the present time it is in the Astronaut Quarters, Hanger S, where it awaits Col. Glenn's signature. The dollar bill shown to the press by Col. Powers was not aboard the capsule and was given to him for autographs by a man who failed to get his dollar aboard the capsule before flight." Probably true, but a strange sentence to include at the end, with Powers himself copied on the memo.

Taking the NASA memo as true, I guess Glenn signed other silver certificates in the aftermath of the flight, but that were not on the flight itself. Still cool, in my book, but not like the certifiable flown bills like in your collection.

Thanks for helping me think this through as best as I am able! (And I emailed you a couple of photos).

DSeuss5490
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posted 05-23-2024 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DSeuss5490   Click Here to Email DSeuss5490     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John Glenn was very visible in our community and could be caught in-person on many occasions in town at the mall or restaurants, almost always with his wife Annie. I was able to attend at least five lectures he did in the area and even attended with my two sons his presentation of the Ambassador of Exploration Award to Neil Armstrong at Ohio State.

It was not uncommon to be able to drop off items to be signed at his Ohio State office and pick them up in a few days or so. His staff, particularly Kathy his assistant, was always very friendly in that regard.

Jim B
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posted 05-23-2024 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim B   Click Here to Email Jim B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fabulous memories for you. Columbus and the country was fortunate to have him for so long. I love the stories of just seeing him out and about with Annie. I could listen to the stories all day long, so thanks for sharing.

And often the pedestrian ones are the best. I heard a great one from someone who unexpectedly saw him at Disney World. The story as told by a Disney World visitor was that Senator Glenn was spotted sitting in a Disney restaurant (with Annie) and wearing a sweater with a big picture of Mickey Mouse on the front of it (it takes a man sure of himself to pull off that look).

Anyhow, how the story was relayed to me, was that Mrs. Glenn got up to use the facilities, leaving the Senator alone at the table. A nearby customer, whose spouse also went to the powder room, couldn’t help but to get up and go over and say hello (imagine how often that happened to him). Yet, as I heard the story, he had a big smile on his face with a hot bowl of soup in front of him and didn’t seem bothered by the obvious interruption. When the fan commented on his soup looking hot and to be careful, the Senator supposedly commented something like “hot soup is just the way I like it!” Then the admirer had the good sense to go back to his table. But I love the mental image of him sitting in a restaurant with big Mickey Mouse emblem on his sweater with a piping hot bowl of soup in front of him, just like a typical joe. And no pretenses whatsoever.

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