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Topic: Interesting way to sell a flown Apollo 8 flag...
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rjurek349
Member Posts: 1241
From: Northwest Indiana
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 11-15-2003 05:55 PM
   
...and, hey, I ain't complaining...:-)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3638731388&category=13903 |
uzzi69
Member Posts: 181
From: Richmond, IN USA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 11-15-2003 06:45 PM
What flown Apollo 8 flag? |
poolman18
Member Posts: 225
From: Ontario,Canada
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 11-15-2003 09:37 PM
This must be a first.David |
lunarrv15
Member Posts: 1362
From: Cincinnati, Ohio, Hamilton
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 11-15-2003 09:47 PM
w-w-what is the seller selling. I see a 5ft 7in blond clad alien   |
072069
Member Posts: 206
From: Sayreville, NJ USA
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 11-15-2003 10:04 PM
Hahaha! Did you check out some of the other items this eBayer is selling? Like for instance, this DVD player:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=32864&item=3059325767 I love the close-ups of the er, ah, remote control :-) Bernie |
Dan Lorraine
Member Posts: 373
From: Cranston, R.I.
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-15-2003 10:26 PM
Ah ... as far as the babe ... I mean the flag goes (sorry) ... legitimate??? How do the signatures look??Dan |
poolman18
Member Posts: 225
From: Ontario,Canada
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 11-15-2003 10:54 PM
As for the DVD Link
Picture 024 is very TWO atypical in my opinion.
Very fake IMHO David |
rjurek349
Member Posts: 1241
From: Northwest Indiana
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 11-15-2003 11:31 PM
Bernie -- I'd have to say, my favorite (if that is possible) is the server one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51229&item=3059325876 Very creative product placement. <wink> Rich |
dbeigie
Member Posts: 160
From: Seattle, WA USA
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 11-16-2003 12:36 AM
Hey Robert,Is this women available for appearances on BuySpace? ;-) |
RMH
Member Posts: 611
From: Ohio
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 11-16-2003 02:11 AM
A great way to market your product. It definitely peaks ones interest to look at all the other "goods" this ebayer is selling. |
Kirsten
Member Posts: 542
From: Delft, Netherlands
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 11-16-2003 03:25 AM
I wonder which shortcomings of his for sale items this seller wants to distract his potential buyers from. An Anders starting with $ 1 ??? ($20.50 by now) Somehow these things (autographs !!!) look autopen to me but I'm no expert ... And, BTW, have really ever any flags been flown on Apollo 8 ?? [This message has been edited by Kirsten (edited November 16, 2003).] |
Philip
Member Posts: 6281
From: Brussels, Belgium
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 11-16-2003 05:36 AM
Seriously guys ... Did anyone notice the large Earth globe ( in the Dell6400 server auction ) ?
Cheers !
( Becoming an eBay fan ;-) ) |
John K. Rochester
Member Posts: 1292
From: Rochester, NY, USA
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 11-16-2003 07:13 AM
Nice ..uh.. Mascons!! |
lee
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posted 11-16-2003 10:51 AM
I`ve bid on the Dell poweredge but not sure what it is yet !!! |
bruce
Member Posts: 935
From: Fort Mill, SC, USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 11-16-2003 11:10 AM
This seller is really raising the ummm, "bar" on buyer attention to product!Best,
Bruce |
bruce
Member Posts: 935
From: Fort Mill, SC, USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 11-16-2003 11:12 AM
BTW, I do agree with David re: the DVD Link's Picture 024 being atypical. Still though, probably worth a few orbits in the name of exploration.Bruce |
rjurek349
Member Posts: 1241
From: Northwest Indiana
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 11-16-2003 11:48 AM
i agree on "all fronts." It is tough to tell from a 2 dimensional image whether or not they...oops...I mean, it is real or not. One needs the tactile experience as well... :-)Rich
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icarkie
Member Posts: 618
From: BURTON ON TRENT /England
Registered: Nov 2002
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posted 11-16-2003 12:19 PM
I've just sold a couple of items on ebay,
I know what the wife would say if I asked her to pose with the items I've just sold (lol).
BTW any C/s members in the Tampa area.
(just a thought)
Ian |
MrSpace86
Member Posts: 1631
From: Gardner, KS
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 11-16-2003 01:20 PM
Is she included with the items? |
Scott
Member Posts: 3338
From: Houston, TX
Registered: May 2001
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posted 11-16-2003 04:35 PM
That has got to be the smartest eBay seller ever. |
poolman18
Member Posts: 225
From: Ontario,Canada
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 11-16-2003 04:43 PM
Scottlets see at what sells and for how much. David |
MrSpace86
Member Posts: 1631
From: Gardner, KS
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 11-16-2003 06:06 PM
too much airbrush was used in the pics |
robertstulman
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posted 11-16-2003 07:14 PM
HI,
My name is Robert Stulman and I am the guy selling the Flag flown on Apollo 8. I bought this flag for $10,000 in 1997. I bought it from a rare book dealer who had just aquired it from Mr. Webb's Estate Sale. It is 100% original and I guarantee it. I had it framed and matted and added the picture. It hung in my office 5 years till I closed my company and started my ebay business. The lighted globe was also in my office. I get a little euphoric every time I look at it and get to thinking that I was 3 months old as the flag orbited the moon with those three astronauts. Oh and by the way, the Girl is my sister in law. And thanks for the compliments. Please bid on the flag and help me sell it for a price it deserves. Even if you'll be overbid, Both I and my sister in law would appreciate it. |
ALAIN
Member Posts: 355
From: GENT, Belgium
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 11-17-2003 04:34 AM
O.K. ... good luck with the auction (s) ! |
Hawkman
Member Posts: 400
From: Union, New Jersey
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 11-17-2003 01:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by robertstulman:
HI,
My name is Robert Stulman and I am the guy selling the Flag flown on Apollo 8. Oh and by the way, the Girl is my sister in law.
I guess that explains the need for the oxygen bottle in the server picture. :-) |
lunarrv15
Member Posts: 1362
From: Cincinnati, Ohio, Hamilton
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 11-19-2003 02:29 PM
10K is pricie for my checking accountwonder how the guy was aware his auction was being discussed here we have alot of lurkers? |
lunarrv15
Member Posts: 1362
From: Cincinnati, Ohio, Hamilton
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 11-19-2003 02:38 PM
just browsed the dvd auctionfoul pose of her leaning forward for the cheap cleavage shot. [This message has been edited by collectSPACE Admin (edited November 19, 2003).] |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 53388
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-19-2003 02:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by lunarrv15:
we have alot of lurkers?
There are certainly far more lurkers than posters. Approximately 60,000 different people (or at least, different IP addresses) access this site monthly. |
Keith Barber
Member Posts: 326
From: Warwickshire
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 11-19-2003 03:00 PM
Just a dollar each a month subscription would be nice for you Robert !! |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 53388
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-19-2003 03:18 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Keith Barber:
Just a dollar each a month subscription would be nice for you Robert !!
I wish! I've long said: collectSPACE offers me all the perks of a great job -- travel, prestige, access to exclusive events, interaction with VIPs, freebies and product samples, etc. -- everything but the paycheck!  Unfortunately, there's only one online industry where the subscription model really works -- and its closer to what the original topic of this thread was about than the item he was trying to sell.  [This message has been edited by Robert Pearlman (edited November 19, 2003).] |
mensax
Member Posts: 861
From: Virginia
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 11-20-2003 07:49 AM
"There are certainly far more lurkers than posters. Approximately 60,000 different people (or at least, different IP addresses) access this site monthly."That HUGE number sure is food for thought. 60,000 people is a LOT of folks! I've got to admit that at first it strikes me as a bit creepy that there are that many people just listening in. It drives home to me the fact that this is really an open forum, more of a soapbox than a private conversation. OK, well a LARGE soapbox with a small city listening in! Are there that many people interested in collecting space? Are all these people bidding against me on ebay? Or, is this the wave to come? Ahhhhh, LOOK OUT! Big wave coming!! Noah |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 53388
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-20-2003 07:56 AM
To be fair, those numbers are for the entire site, so a lot of those visitors are making a beeline for the Sightings calendar, News section, and front page without ever visiting the message boards. I would also make an educated guess that most are not space collectors, nor are considering becoming space collectors, but rather are space history enthusiasts, educators, students, and members of the general public who discover the site through search engines or links from other websites while surfing. Still, it amazes me that with little to no paid advertising that this site has grown to attract such numbers. Imagine if I had a marketing budget! [This message has been edited by Robert Pearlman (edited November 20, 2003).] |
rjurek349
Member Posts: 1241
From: Northwest Indiana
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 11-22-2003 09:52 PM
I see it didn't hit reserve, but is back up without a reserve. will be interesting to see where it goes. nice to see the sister in law again, though... ;-) |
spacecowboy
Member Posts: 75
From: Chicago IL
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 11-22-2003 11:03 PM
Getting back on the topic, Is this item look authentic to you all?
Thanks
Adam |
Leon Ford
Member Posts: 309
From: Shreveport, LA, United States
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-09-2003 10:57 AM
I have been out of town and missed the first few times this item was up on ebay. Does anyone else have a problem with the inscription on this item? I have a hard time believing that Frank Borman or NASA would give Jim Webb, the former NASA Administrator, an item with an inscription on it that looks like it was written very quickly and in such a sloppy way.I have no idea if the flag is flown or not, but the inscription on the item leads me to question everything about this item. It really ruins the item for me. Leon |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 53388
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-09-2003 11:06 AM
I have seen a flown flag presentation inscribed to Werner von Braun, signed all nine Skylab astronauts, that has the very generic notation "For your 'extra' effort in making the Skylab missions successful." You would think, given who he was, that von Braun would warrant something more personal.I have the feeling that there were personal presentations from the astronauts and then there were the official presentations orchestrated by NASA. I would think the Webb piece and aforementioned von Braun presentation are of this "official" variety. NASA was presenting these type of items to VIPs, so it was only right that their own VIPs also received them. However, I get the impression that these items were not highly prized, in favor or more personal items gifted, and were almost defacto for each mission flown. Thoughts? [This message has been edited by Robert Pearlman (edited December 09, 2003).] |
072069
Member Posts: 206
From: Sayreville, NJ USA
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 12-09-2003 11:23 AM
I found this original catalog listing online at a place called Biblioctopus. The listing is from June 2002 and the flag was priced at $4500.
http://www.biblioctopus.com/pages/html/spaceflagjpeg.html Bernie [This message has been edited by 072069 (edited December 09, 2003).] |
072069
Member Posts: 206
From: Sayreville, NJ USA
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 12-09-2003 11:26 AM
By the way, does anyone know why this flag is back on eBay? It went unsold when an original reserve failed to be met and was relisted with no reserve. The second sale was to the first sale's high bidder and now it's back again. Did the high bidder back out of the sale?Bernie [This message has been edited by 072069 (edited December 09, 2003).] |
Leon Ford
Member Posts: 309
From: Shreveport, LA, United States
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-09-2003 12:13 PM
Hey Robert,I agree with you about there being 2 types of presentations. A lot of the more personal presentations have greetings written by the astronauts themselves. The ones I have seen that come from NASA are more formal. This presentation doesn't seem to fall into either catagory for me. I know they were giving out a lot of these items and were using different types of presentation certificates. This inscription style just doesn't look right. Leon |
chet
Member Posts: 1552
From: Beverly Hills, Calif.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-09-2003 12:28 PM
It appears to me that this seller used the first auction of this flag to assess price interest, and ran the 2nd auction for it without a reserve hoping it would get "hot" and generate the type of money he was looking for. Without making any hard accusations, it seems likely the winning bidder the first 2 go-rounds was a shill for the seller; how else to explain that this flag is now being offered a 3rd time, but this time with bidder ID's hidden? If not a shill, the only other explaination would be that the winning bidder simply declined to go thru with the purchase, (unlikely, if the bidder is legitimate, given the history of prior bids made), or the seller refused to sell at the final $6600 price.Too much funny business going on; at this point this is an auction I'd stay away from. -chet [This message has been edited by chet (edited December 09, 2003).] |
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