posted 10-15-2003 06:21 PM               

Ed was an astronaut in training, and died in a tragic car accident on a wet, slippery road. I have told the full story of this accident in "Fallen Astronauts" through the recollections of one of the men in the car with Ed that night, and it was just a simple accident with no alcohol involved.

In the past, the AMF has been adamant that Givens was off duty when he died, yet in Brian O'Leary's book, O'Leary was hauled over the coals one time for being absent without permission, and Shepard told him that an astronaut was on duty 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Does anyone else out there believe that a NASA astronaut is ever off duty?

I know through writing this book what pain Givens's exclusion from this memorial has caused his children, who were not even invited to its opening.

I certainly applaud putting the crew of Columbia on there, but with exceptions being made in the past, as Francis has mentioned, why is the only training NASA astronaut to have died in the service of NASA and his country still excluded? It is a very pernicious, miserable and hurtful decision that this man has never been recognised by the AMF, or by NASA, and yet this is a man who could very easily have walked on the moon.

posted 10-16-2003 12:58 PM               

Once Adams, Lawrence and Carter were included on the space mirror memorial, this new "admission" policy, if you want to call it that, opened up a whole new decision-making arena. One of NASA's chief research pilots, Joe Walker, was killed in the line of duty years later after unofficially achieving astronaut-status while flying the X-15 rocketplane beforehand. Another project test pilot, civilian John McKay, eventually lost his life after he sustained injuries earlier from an X-15 landing accident. Are they included on the memorial, No! As you can see, where does it stop?

posted 10-16-2003 02:23 PM            

And I think that calling a meeting of the order of the Quiet Birdmen, a fraternal organization of air force pilots and former officers (which included some of the country's best aviators and astronauts) a "party" is an oversimplification.

posted 10-16-2003 06:38 PM               

The two Air Force reservists were not "buddies" (and in fact the misspelling of Fran Dellorto's name points me straight to the source of your information). These two men were there independently, and when they heard Givens was driving home early they asked if they could catch a lift back to their barracks, which required a small deviation from his normal route, as they also had to get up early for some airplane training. He kindly obliged, and the surviving passenger said Givens was driving carefully because of the conditions.

This same kindness, a deviation on the way home on a wet, unfamiliar and unlit road, and an unseen ditch on a treacherous bend where numerous other accidents had occurred, cost him his life.

Givens had been involved in extensive ongoing training with the Astronaut Maneuvering Unit (AMU) that he had helped to develop, both as an Air Force astronaut candidate and a NASA astronaut. The timing of his selection by NASA meant he could not fly a Gemini mission, with all the crews selected, but he was heavily involved in working with astronauts training for their own EVA.

I used to work with an airline, and even though we had R&R time in slip ports, our airline considered us to be on duty with them 24/7 - just as Chief Astronaut Alan Shepard told Brian O'Leary in no uncertain terms. I can see no distinction between this, and the 24/7 duties of an astronaut in the late 60s and beyond.

I know a lot of pressure was applied to get Bob Lawrence's name on that Mirror, and I have no problem with that. He, like Givens, was also an Air Force astronaut candidate (who qualified for AF astronaut status at the Aerospace Research Pilots School - which, incidentally, Givens helped set up), but while I am pleased to see Lawrence's name up there, I once again ask why Givens is not similarly honoured? Who actually came closer to flying into space for NASA, and for their nation?

Lawrence's family can visit KSC with pride and see his name on the Mirror. However, ask Cathrine, Diane and Ed Givens Jr., and the grandchildren of this man - this NASA astronaut - if they can do the same. The answer is no, and this still causes heartbreak for them, as it means their father is not considered to have given his life for his country in the midst of the Space Race, while others with lesser claims are up there.

posted 10-16-2003 07:04 PM               

Looking at the Foundation's policies and history it becomes clear that there is a precedent (indeed more than one) for bending of the criteria for inclusion on the Memorial. Online articles record the Foundation's strong opposition to the inclusion of Lawrence, an opposition that was eventually withdrawn when the Lawrence family suggested (rightly or wrongly) that their was a racist basis to the Foundation's objection.

Sonny Carter's inclusion appears to be the result of fairly blatant NASA 'insider politics'. It appears that the Givens' family are excluded simply because they lack a NASA friend in high places.

Ultimately the AMF erected the memorial and continue to raise money to fund it. It is their monument (not ours) and they are therefore entitled to administrate it any way they choose.