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Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-08-2003 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I urge everyone to read the following editorial. In my opinion, it hits the mark as to what's needed for the astronaut corps today.

Call Hollywood! NASA Needs a Makeover!
By Anthony Duignan-Cabrera
Managing Editor, SPACE.com

Forget about Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck's marriage plans; the real wedding of the year is going to take place in orbit in this weekend. But will anyone care?
http://space.com/news/commentary_hollywood_030808.html

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posted 08-08-2003 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw that article, and thought it was really good, though I disagreed with this bit though:
"NASA has heroes. It just needs to do something with them beyond orbiting the planet at dizzying speeds. Send them to Mars or back to the moon. Either would ignite the public's imagination. Or do we have to wait until the skies are teeming with Chinese taikonauts before we take action?"
As Chuck Yeager would no doubt be glad to remind us, NASA didn't wait until they had done something to turn the Mercury Seven into heroes. That's going about it all backwards. Create heroes first, and they'll pave the way to Mars.
In discussions about what the agency should do with the new crop of Educator Astronauts, I have made the suggestion (ignored, thus far) that Hollywood agents should be hired for them. Get them out there, give them name recognition. Get them on Letterman, put them in television commercials, have them on magazine covers, secure guest appearances on TV shows. Make people know who they are. In the media, a moderate amount of charisma will count as much as a large amount of accomplishments. Charisma is not an uncommon quality in the corps, and the EAs will be people that have spent their lives talking.
Making the people interesting will make the missions interesting. The mission designation "STS-95" means nothing to most people. They didn't follow the mission because they were excited about its SPACEHAB payload. It was one of the most-watched missions in recent years for one reason and one reason only--John Glenn.
Frankly, with STS-114 grounded indefinitely, there is no reason why Eileen Collins should not be all over the place. NASA's first female Shuttle commander? Someone who is interesting, personable, and, for that matter, attractive? How hard a sale is this? If the agency went about this the right way, there is no reason why everyone in the country should not know the name Eileen Collins by the time she flies. And if so, it would be NASA's greatest moment in years-- not only the excitement of a return to flight mission, but also the interest of having a "celebrity" aboard.
I doubt most people today could name one member of the current corps. Yet having astronauts with name recognition would make such a big difference for the agency and for spaceflight. If, when people read or watched something about NASA, they heard from someone they recognized and respected, what that person had to say would count for so much more.
And once you have the public behind you, the solar system opens up. As we learned in The Right Stuff... what makes those rocket engines go is money.

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I don't think the current astronauts are boring people, but NASA sure gives that impression. A friend and co-worker who has never collected space stuff (but knew I did) observed recently, chuckling, "Nobody knows the names of the astronauts any more." That says it all.

I for one am sick to death of the goody-two-shoes image NASA tries to put out about the astronauts. It's BORING. In my opinion it is obviously an attempt by NASA to appeal to the greatest number of people (taxpayers), by making sure NO American is offended by anything the agency or astronauts do or say. Well I am offended by the phoniness. Have you noticed that in almost all the individual shuttle portraits the astronauts have their hands folded gingerly in front of them, prominently displaying their wedding ring? This is OK if that is natural, but to me it is staged. And there's too many of them, too. Why do you need 100 astronauts? This agency is going nowhere, figurately and literally.

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posted 08-08-2003 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tod   Click Here to Email Tod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where have you gone, Gordon Cooper, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you...*

*Apologies to Paul Simon.

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I am not sure where to begin with this one. I disagree with it on several basic levels.

Initially, astronauts are not movie stars or people to "be seen." They are test pilots, scientists and/or specialists frequently with unique training. They have a job to perform and, I suspect, put in far more hours per week on their tasks than many people. Beautifying the corp. threatens to trivialize the astronaut group and turn them into caricatures.

With respect to public relations, I cannot think of another government agency that is as public oriented or does more for the public as far as promotion than NASA. The educational links are great, the ability to gather free material and information unsurpassed and the availability of astronauts pretty good. Would I love to see more astronauts spending time "in the barrel" and visiting schools and communities, absolutely. There is, however, only so much one can ask of these 120 or so individuals. I will concede that few know the names of many of the astronaut corp. and even fewer know how many men walked on the Moon or what their names were. I am not sure, however, that this lack of current or historical knowledge can be blamed on NASA.

Given the current media hype on Kobe Bryant, I am at a loss why anyone would suggest that astronaut personalities need to be spiced up and make them loveable rogues. Who is the better role model for kids, Ben Affleck, Britney Spears, Barry Bonds or Kobe Bryant, or someone who has worked hard, gotten his or her doctorate and can be seen flying planes or floating in the shuttle. Besides, I am sure that each astronaut has their own unique characteristics from the members of Max Q to the legendary exploits of Wally Schirra. Heck, my step-daughter gives a thumbs up to Dr. Sandy Magnus since she was photographed reading a David Eddings' book while exercising during STS-110.
If there is blame here, and there certainly is, I would look more towards our society and educational system. Few things capture the imagination better than space. Despite this ability to capture the mind, science is generally frowned upon in our society and many science classes lack vigor. The jock is glamourized over the geek (to use stereotypes) and those with competent brainpans spend years abused and shunted to the side in school. Those rushing to play on their Game Boys or surf the net generally know the buttons to press but have no idea how the technology works. Simply put, the priorities are disorganized, if not bass ackward, and that is where the effort should be placed. [This would open up a lengthy diatribe about efforts over the last three years to get my school board to review and address its science program].
Anyway, off the soapbox for the moment.

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Great topic.

I have been thinking for some time now about NASA public affairs. NASA PAO does a great job of providing information, IF YOU SEEK IT OUT.

Most Americans do not actively seek out information about NASA, and therefore do not benefit from the majority of NASA's PAO efforts.

The next shuttle mission, STS-114, will receive a lot of media coverage because it's the return to flight after Columbia. I would wager that a good amount of the public will tune in to watch what happens with the launch and especially the landing. These events will likey be covered on live network TV.

NASA will have a captive audience!

This could be a GREAT opportunity for NASA to SHINE! Let's show the American public what human spaceflight is all about. Let's show 'em what our shuttle can do! Let's show off the ISS to the millions of people who have never given it a second thought!

C'mon NASA, you need public support. Let's show the people that they have something to be excited about.

Liz

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posted 08-08-2003 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"With respect to public relations, I cannot think of another government agency that is as public oriented or does more for the public as far as promotion than NASA."
Does the phrase "Be all that you can be" mean anything to you? How about "An Army Of One."
Everybody in the country recognizes the slogans for the U.S. Army. Why? Because you can't watch a TV show without seeing a commercial for the Army. You can't go to the movies without seeing an Army promotion. You can't drive through a city without seeing an Army billboard.
When was the last time you saw a NASA billboard? How often do you see NASA commercials on televion? Never. Can you imagine what a halfway decent advertising firm could do with one minute of big-screen time before a movie for a NASA ad? Heck, it could be better than the movie. The Army advertises because it's looking for recruits. NASA is potentially facing huge workforce problems in the next 5-10 years as its current workforce retires.
And, yes, I realize there are a lot of cultural reasons for this. But if we sit back and say, well, the problem lies with society in general, we're going to be waiting a long time for it to get better. Can you imagine Coke or Nike sitting back and saying, well, society just likes Pepsi or Reebok better now. Of course not! They're going to pour everything they've got into being more competetive, and MAKING the public want them.
I have to say, I don't agree with the idea of making astronauts rogue-ish figures either, but I think the point was more just to let people see them as interesting human beings, rather than just focusing on the job to the exclusion of the individual. Max Q is a great example... there's nothing rogue-ish about that, but it's something cool that they do beyond being an astronaut--next time NASA's got something cool going on in the news, get Max Q booked on Leno or SNL.
And yes, astronauts have tough, busy jobs with plenty of other duties, but I would imagine that most of them would realize and agree that part of that job is to be ambassadors for spaceflight. And many would say that they decided to become astronauts because earlier corps members did the same thing.

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posted 08-08-2003 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by WAWalsh:
With respect to public relations, I cannot think of another government agency that is as public oriented or does more for the public as far as promotion than NASA.

I can think of one (well, actually its four separate divisions but let's group them all together for sake of discussion): the U.S. military.

Not only do they advertise for recruits (where are the commercials attracting the talented engineers and scientists to come to NASA and "[boldly] go far as you can go" instead of "be all that you can be"), they also release video games to get kids excited (have you seen their Doom/Quake-engine driven "you're in the army now" game?).

They also participate in airshows with exciting jet demonstrations (they even have acrobatic teams for just such a purpose) and have a line of clothing (okay, so they don't market it themselves, but where do you think the camouflage outfits that Madonna and others wear derive their inspiration?).

NASA does an amazing job on the educational and studious side of things -- but if they really want to get the public excited, they need to market the program and the astronauts as the public expects to find its heroes -- white scarves flying in the wind and all. There is a reason kids look to sports figures as their heroes -- and its not because they are better paid or are more physically fit (which is questionable). Its all in how they are marketed...

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Ugh. A space wedding. It's just like a wedding, except that it's in space. Color me bored.

The problem isn't the astronauts -- the problem is what we do with 'em. The ISS is incredibly boring. The space shuttle is boring. Yes, I'd give my left arm to go --- but to be riveted on TV about it? Nope.

Put Cameron Diaz in a space suit and I'll find that charming. Put some plain Jane in a space suit on the slopes of Olympus Mons, and that'll be the sexiest thing I've seen.

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posted 08-08-2003 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lewarren   Click Here to Email lewarren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
-Max-Q performed on the Today show several years back.
-Astronauts can not endorse any product or service until they have retired.

I don't think that the Astronauts want to be celebrities. With public exposure comes public scrutiny.

Liz

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Originally posted by lewarren:
I don't think that the Astronauts want to be celebrities. With public exposure comes public scrutiny.

Here's an idea then, NASA should hire (yes, pay) former astronauts to be their spokepeople. Many former astronauts are already relying on speaking gigs and endorsement deals to subsidize their post-NASA life. Get those moonwalkers and early Shuttle pioneers into schools, onto television, into the movies, etc. Use their popularity to promote the current corps and current activities.

Professional sports does this all the time. Need a shot in the arm of good PR? Trot out the Hall-of-Famers for a "fan appreciation day".

That said, given the personality types that exist within the astronaut corps, I cannot imagine that there wouldn't be a few volunteers to be the public spokespeople for the program...

(It also wouldn't hurt, as suggested above, to recruit other celebrities (Diaz, Cruise, etc.) to lend their voice in high-profile commercials and media projects. It was nice to have Patti LaBelle record a song for the Centennial, but if you want to excite the masses today, we also need the same from Will Smith, JLo, and Britney Spears...)

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I still think you need to have current corps members involved as the public face of NASA. While retired corps members and non-NASA celebs could help boost the agencies profile, there would still be great advantage to the benefits you would get when you fly a mission with high profile astronauts aboard (again... compare the interest in NASA Glenn generated in '97 versus the amount he generated in '98).
And I'm certainly not in favor of astronauts being stalked by the general public, but think they could be a lot higher profile before paparazzi start snapping nude pics of astronauts with Julia Roberts. There are degrees of fame, and today's astronauts have a long way to go before they reach the upper echelons.
(And, Liz, I wasn't necessarily proposing putting astronauts in beer commercials... they could be in commercials for NASA, or education in general, etc., and it still boosts their "face time")

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I guess we're all forgetting how 9/11 happenings has helped to hack the heck out of what the public had to feel it was part of NASA. No more car passes to the closest viewing sight the public was allowed to enter. No launch time announcement until it is too late to even think about catching a plane to view the launch from the farthest viewing sight. No more cheering throngs of people at the transport van boarding sight, and on and on and on, ad nauseum, blah, blah, blah.

NASA ought to give it up, privatize space travel and disban. Those bright young people they call astronauts that are waiting to fly might finally get to see their dreams come true instead of waiting around for some bureaucratic moron to make decisions aviators and scientists can make on their own.

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ejectr,

PMA (positive mental attitude), my friend.

Your point about 9/11 is valid, but how many people in America will actually attend a launch? A VERY small percentage.

We need to reach people who don't know much about NASA. We don't have to get them so excited that they drive to Florida to see a launch - we need to get them excited enough to be curious, and be willing to part with their tax dollar.

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Ejectr, although they stopped giving out car passes, you can still buy bus passes to the same site from the Visitors Complex.

And while the exact launch time is not given out in advance, they do release a four-hour window months in advance. (Although it can be noted that many can figure out the time well in advance anyway).

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Yes.. lets trot out those former Astronauts for a " Fan Appreciation Day".. and watch them all charge big $$ for a handshake or autograph... Actually, I like Robert's idea of former astros repesenting NASA more than they do..Winston Scott and Jim Lovell would be great for NASA recruiting

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Trust me folks, it has absolutely nothing to do with promotion or "educating" the public. The public is sufficiently educated about NASA. Rodina hit the nail on the head. Wake up people. The space program now is BORING AS HELL. When NASA begins to do something INTERESTING there will automatically be INTEREST from the public. I personally do not give a damn about perfectly formed glass spheres or whether ants like to hump each other in zero gravity.

Wake me up when we launch to Mars.

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The Apollo missions after Apollo 11 proved that the public can become just as bored with small steps and giant leaps as they can with Low Earth Orbit. It takes something going wrong (Apollo 13) to grab their attention again.

No, the problem with NASA today is not that they aren't going anywhere -- believe me, they would be if they could get the public support and funding to do so -- it is how they are presenting what they are doing. Scott and Rodina, you may not care today about the work on shuttle and ISS, but that's because it hasn't been sold to you. Hire a top notch advertising firm, a professional PR staff and perhaps a Hollywood studio, and I bet you would be singing a different tune (don't believe me? when was the last time you drank a Coke or Pepsi, over a cheaper no-name cola?)

Scott, you were correct that it is not about educating the public -- its about entertaining them.

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For all those that think that launching to low Earth orbit is boring, let me remind you that manned space flight is the most technologically challenging feat that our species has ever undertaken. Pushing the very boundries of our abilities is anything but boring.

If you think the science is boring, you simply haven't taken the time to learn about it.

Liz

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Robert -- I couldn't agree with you more. End of the day, it is all about "selling." People are consumers not just of product, but of information and experience. Attention spans are clearly more stretched today than they ever where in the early days of Apollo when there were only 3 tv channels (plus Public TV) to choose from. (Although one still had radio to compete with...and lets not even talk about "back in the day" when people used to -- gasp! -- read and go outside!!!)Even then, after the first few flights, people prefered baseball games and Dick Cavett. Now, with dozens of cable/satellite channels, etc. not even including the internet and all sort of gaming diversions, NASA has to "sell" the information and experience it has to offer to the general public. If anything, it has become much more of a push,than a pull, world. And the selling should be so much fun given the subject. Afterall, people view their time (at least, for the most part, in the English speaking world) as "money" ("I spent some time at the mall" or "Don't waste your time on that" or "Spend some time with the kids" etc.) To "lift" the metaphoric "money" out of the consumers pocket (read: free time/interest), the seller (NASA) has to do a better job of pushing out to its target audience. In many ways, NASA is a brand as much as it is a govt. organization -- one with global recognition on the level of Pepsi, Coke, McDonalds, etc. and it should be managed like one. Like all product brands, they go through cycles, and these cycles need to be influenced with strong management to extend and even enliven the brand into its next phase. Rich

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Liz and Robert,
No offense, but the Shuttle isn't preparing us for anything. The ISS and Shuttle missions aren't a stepping stone to anything. It is painfully obvious that they are make-work projects to bring federal money to various parts of the country. Please see:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/space/2011220

I am not bored with the Shuttle because it has been launched however many times, but because it is intrinsically not that interesting to me compared to other programs, such as Apollo, Viking and Voyager. Looking at it objectively, the Shuttle era will be looked back on one day in the distant future as the Dark Ages of Space Exploration. I would bet money on that. It will have people scratching their heads every bit as much as if the Wright Brothers had progressed from building airplanes to flying kites.

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No offense taken Scott, but please realize you just made my point...

I can line up hundreds (if not thousands) of scientists, engineers, and doctors who would say that the Shuttle/ISS has delivered answers to their lives' work. To belittle their accomplishments as "make-work" is not only an insult to them, but an insult to the thousands, if not millions, who have benefited from their work.

You, as an individual, may not be interested in the work being conducted because you would rather see flags and footprints, but I can guarantee you that is not why the public in general is not excited. For them, its all a matter of the sales pitch. Everyone has their "buttons" -- its just a matter of discovering which to press in what order.

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I think one of the best things that NASA could do would be to send a "Spinoffs" printout/brochure/card (whatever) in the same envelope along with every American's tax return information each year. Most people have no idea that the micro-surgical techniques used to save their loved ones during heart surgery was originally developed for the space program.

People need to be constantly reminded that we have never spent one penny "up there in space". It's all been spent here on Earth and humanity has benefited from space endeavors by a 7 to 1 margin (or more) for each dollar spent on the space budget.

Also, utilizing the IRS mailout would be a great opportunity, especially at tax time, to remind folks that less than 1/10th of 1 % of the US annual budget is spent on the space program.

NASA has always done an awful job at proactively relaying this information to the people. About a year ago, I heard 4 astronauts on the radio stumbling to answer a caller's statement re: "why we spend all that money out there in space with all the problems we have here on earth". Honestly, I was screaming at the radio - "Tell them! Tell them! Here's your chance! If nothing else, talk about advance storm warnings via weather satellites!" Instead, two of the astros sort of generically talked about the "great view of earth from space" and "how important" the program is!

NASA should give everyone within the agency who makes public appearances a little wallet-sized "cue card" with about 25 basic, relatable, human benefits that we have harnessed as a result of the space program.

Perhaps NASA should hire an ad agency and spent a million dollars a year of their budget to promote the agency's efforts.

OK - I'll pass the soap box now ...

Best,
Bruce

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As someone who's been around academia WAY longer than anyone should have to be, I can tell you that it is amazing what people will spend their life's work on. But that's their business.
I do not believe you have a good understanding of what the public finds interesting. Before we portray the masses as being ignorant and just wanting to be entertained like children at Chuck E. Cheese's, remember that the masses are the ones who do meaningful things like build cars and houses, find oil, make great movies and pay for NASA. And I am not ashamed to say I want to see video of men walking on Mars. I want to see samples of it returned to Earth. I want to see what the surface of Mercury looks like and close up pictures of Pluto. This is what the public wants. They do not want the space program sold to them with bells and whistles. A piece of crap soaked in cologne is still a piece of crap. Inspiring people is best achieved by doing inspiring things.

And please be nice to me - it's my birthday today.

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Scott, considering that I have spent the past 10 years professionally marketing space to the public (though not for NASA), I think I have a pretty good idea of the public reaction to NASA and its programs. But credentials aside...

If inspirational activities trigger inspiration, than perhaps you can explain why the public lost interest in moonwalks after only 4 missions. Seriously, I think it was said that more people tuned in live to watch the all-night spacewalks during the first Hubble repair mission than did those who watched Apollo 16 live (assuming they could even do so...).

Space exploration cannot all be headlines. Apollo demonstrated that a flag and footprints program was the wrong approach to insure a continued presence in space.

Don't get me wrong, I would love for NASA to set some real goals beyond ISS -- and to their credit, they are, they just haven't shared them with the public yet as they know the public is not yet ready for them -- but to write off the entire STS and ISS programs is overlooking the good work that is being accomplished in the interim.

(Oh, and Happy Birthday!)

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Scott -- First, Happy Birthday!!!

But I do have to take exception with the idea that NASA has "crap" to sell. Selling is not just about getting people to buy things they don't want. At its most basic level, selling/marketing is about educating people about what might interest them and making it easier for them to choose among options. In other words, it is about connecting an audience with an interest. (Granted -- that is not the popular conception of marketing, but it is what people who do marketing for a living study when they study marketing beyond just selling 101..., i.e., me. Just saying that selling/marketing is nothing more than pushing crap, is also as pejorative as saying the masses are not smart and only want Chuck E Cheese entertainment. I, too, don't think they are, either.) You point out what "You" want to see and what you find inspirational. That is fine...for you. But what DOES the broader public find inspirational? Has anyone done the market research on this? Has NASA conducted a marketing study not just of the masses, the public, but also of scientists, engineers, politicians, etc. to see what they would like from a space program? Marketing is a discipline -- and if done right, can even be argued to be a science. It has a process...one that doesn't include fooling people into believing that crap is gold, but rahter getting the audiences connected (garbage men/sanitation workers hooked up with the crap; metalurgists and jewelers with the gold <big grin here> ) I would also argue that NASA does on MANY levels conduct very inspirational science -- and not just with the shuttle. Propblem is -- most of it is hidden under the "show" and "perception" of a brand that is still operating on a 1970's marketing plan.

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posted 08-08-2003 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah! Happy Birthday, Scott!
(Mine was yesterday, but that's worth nothing today <g> )
But... basing what's crap and what isn't on what the public wants is self-defeating. If, as we're talking about, we change public opinion, then what was crap yesterday is gold tomorrow.
You're right that perhaps entertain is the wrong word to use... better would be inspire, inform and motivate.
And I don't think there's anybody at NASA who's opposed to video of people on Mars.
But just because I someday want to commute to work in my flying car, doesn't mean I can't enjoy the landbound version I have today, and can't appreciate that it's much better than the older ones I used to drive.
That said, I would also say that, to a large extent, the public IS pretty ignorant about spaceflight. That's not a criticism... if you were to go through what everybody on this board does, the majority of us would likely be pretty ignorant on the details of what the others do. Spaceflight's a very complex area, and limited information is available to those who do not actively seek it out. (Trust me, part of my job is answering questions from the public about spaceflight--and occassionally it tests the axiom that there's no such thing as a dumb question).

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posted 08-08-2003 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
David -- Happy belated birthday!

I agree with you. One person's trash is,indeed, another person's treasure. Interest. Perception. Inspiration. All are subjective -- and all have different audiences.

And I think that, in my mind, is one of the ultimate support points for the need for a modern "marketing plan" for NASA.

Personally, I don't think we can forget that the moonshots were, ultimately, political in nature and not scientific. Even for most of the "free world" it was the ultimate soccer game -- the US vs. the USSR. Once the final score went through the net (i..e, landing) the interest feel off.

Sure, other interested parties attached themselves or stayed attached (scientists, space fans, etc.) but the global, universal following dropped off. Game was over. They moved on to other things. In the world of marketing, they were one-off shoppers. But those of us in marketing know that the only way to succeed is to generate repeat business by continuously studying the wants/needs/desires of the ultimate audience to properly build products that meet those needs (not just push on to them what we have).

Thus, given the mutliple POSSIBLE audiences (i.e., consumers of NASA's information, science, and, yes, entertainment), it makes it even more imperative to have strategy/plan to market that to all publics (taxpayers and politicians alike).

Ok. I think I need to shut up now...

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One last thought from me on this subject, at the risk of everyone throwing a virtual tomato at me...

...it seems to me that NASA has allowed the discipline of Public Relations (i..e, the focus on perception, spin, and information distribution) rule the roost, rather than the discipline of marketing (i.e., connecting target audience wants/needs with developed product).

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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
Scott, considering that I have spent the past 10 years professionally marketing space to the public

Sorry! I'll shut up now....

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Scott, don't you even think about it -- post away.

I realize it may not have come across, but I was being somewhat sarcastic.

Its debates like these that help expand everyone's horizons and all opinions are welcome.

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quote:
Originally posted by rjurek349:

...it seems to me that NASA has allowed the discipline of Public Relations (i..e, the focus on perception, spin, and information distribution) rule the roost, rather than the discipline of marketing (i.e., connecting target audience wants/needs with developed product).

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Very well said Rich. Happy Birthday David! Thank you Robert!

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posted 08-08-2003 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lewarren   Click Here to Email lewarren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am really having fun with this thread - great discussion, everyone.

Lots of good points. Happy birthdays all around

I think we could probably all agree on one thing: NASA PAO could use some new blood and new ideas.

Liz

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I don't like that the article is suggesting we glorify the less than honorable things astronauts may do in order to boost popularity for the space program, or, considering how some of what is printed by the media is false, MAKE UP stuff about them to make them more glamorous. I have a feeling they WOULD have to make a lot of it up, because astronauts don't seem like the types to be leading those sordid kinds of lives. Maybe I'm naive, but the kind of personality you need in order to go to space with six other people for two or three weeks, or one other person for six months, isn't the bratty or shady type. It's for precisely that reason that I'm interested in astronauts in the first place...they just seem to be more selfless people. Now, I'm not saying there aren't astronauts who are creeps, or actors and rock stars who are nice, but on the whole, astronauts seem pretty upstanding, and I like them that way. I wish THAT could be made attractive to more people. If we glorify the seamy side of astronauts' lives, or fabricate it, though, soon the astronaut corps is only going to be attractive to people who really ARE slimeballs.

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posted 08-08-2003 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott   Click Here to Email Scott     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lewarren:
Happy birthdays all around

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Thank you Liz!
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posted 08-08-2003 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Carrie -- I agree with you and the others that disagree with the need for a more "Rogue-ish" astronaut. By very definition of what they do,IMHO, these hereos are interesting. And by the very nature and mission of NASA, the organization is fascinating and intriguing. (I guess in all my comments about marketing, pr, etc. I never tied back to Robert's opening question -- what do I think of the article?) I think the article's heart is in the right place, but the means to the end suggested by the author don't ring true. NASA and the astros deserve better than "Shock" advertising (i.e., the Howard Stern or American Pie movie approach). There is more excitement in reality with NASA than anything Hollywood could manufacture because it is real and happening now.

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posted 08-08-2003 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cklofas   Click Here to Email cklofas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While I agree that making up a backstory is unnecesary and foolish, I DO think that NASA has to do a better job of self-promotion. I agree with what some have already said : Have current candidates and astros not currently in training traveling the country. Stop by conventions, home shows, county fairs, school science days, and things like that. Give them training on how to work a crowd, speak in non-technical terms in a story-telling fashion. This will inspire interest in the program and create a larger group of "average-joe" type supporters. Then we can seek the resources necessary to move on to the next level. This will create spectacular successes that reinforce the interest and support. There are numerous examples of this in the early days of the program.

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I agree. A perfect example of "viral marketing." You know -- many of us do this all the time as well. I think of my own two children (ages 7 and 4). I show them the artifacts & photos I have in my collection. We watch the videos together. We discuss them. I tell them the stories I know. We use the telescope in the back yard (such as tonight --- wonderful out here right now with the moon!). I let them hold a lunar meteorite in their hand. Whenever these kids see or hear about space, a rocket, etc. their eyes light up and they are glued to it. THe excitement is, indeed, infectious, and one can't underestimate the power of "making the experience real" with such visits to the school and road shows.

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Reading over all the posts tonight, I realized what hasn't been cited is where NASA has gotten it right recently. I thought perhaps that a few examples are in order:

NASA astronauts are now in the midst of a multi-city tour of Major League Baseball cities to continue the message and mission of the STS-107 Columbia crew that is being honored by the Houston Astros throughout their 2003 Season:
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/jscfeatures/articles/000000002.html

NASA.gov was redesigned and was relaunched (coincidentally) on February 1. For those who remember the old NASA.gov, the new one is tremendously improved, highlighting much more of NASA's many divisions and, more importantly, updating daily.

And as much as I hate to admit it, NASA's embrace of N'Sync's Lance Bass bid to fly to space -- scheduling webcasts and in-person encounters while he was at JSC should be commended for recognizing that tweens and teens would pay attention to NASA simply to see their object of affection. NASA paired Bass with NASA astronauts, and just maybe, some his "cool" rubbed off in kids' minds...

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posted 08-08-2003 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert -- I think the baseball road show is a good idea. (Although a cynical side of me could say that, given some of the negative stuff coming out of the current reports on the "go at all cost" attitutde, this could be "postive spin PR" rather than true outreach). The website redesign is also good, although it will not draw in new people, rather just enhance the experience of the existing users.

In the whole, however, I think these single, one-off efforts are, indeed, good, but when they are one-off, the effort becomes lost in the noise of all the other things going on in the world. If it were part of an overall "go to market" strategy, in which each effort helped build upon a goal, that would help even more.

You know, this discussion reminds me of Gene Cernan's often remarked comments that NASA should send teenagers into space. Give them a reason to make it real, make it tangible. It is all about making the current space program relevant for the current audience. Given the STS107 tragedy, perhaps the "Kid in Space" program is not feesible right now.

But this is where the Space camps and the Challenger centers are, in my mind, a great idea...and do great work. The virtual email Q&A's from select schools while missions where going were/are also great ideas.

Still, they don't seem to get through to enough of the schools like one would wish. Most likely because of lack of funding or of a focused plan/strategy that makes this a priority. Or perhaps it is the approach of the camps and the centers -- perhaps their method of contact/access is not relevant for the "new generation?" Perhaps the newer generation would rather be a part of a virtual similator on the PC rather than in a "Camp?" (It is a lot like the Symphony Orchestras of the world trying to get kids interested in Classical music. They have a kids night every now and then...but where is the cummulative effect, when they are bombarded every day with their own music and can't get the connection of the daily relevance of the classical music itself via exposure of playing and actually experiencing the joy? What impact could the Syphonies of the world have if they banded together and made the marketing of their music to a new generation a global push? What creative ideas could they collectively generate and execute on that could light a spark and get larger audiences interested in their product?) In the end, it is all about relevance...

I applaud as well the ASF for their work in scholarships to support students to follow their dreams into the field. That is a Johnny Appleseed approach that should get more attention, more funding, and more emphasis -- and not just from a separate foundation, but from the government and NASA itself.

You know -- a program by NASA injected with cash to support scholarships at all levels would be a huge boost. Savings bonds for the young kids, free rides to college for the older kids -- all built on essays researching mercury, apollo, gemini, skylab, the shuttle program. Perhaps even better rewards for future thinking of suggested programs, research studies, etc.

And on the relevance level: How about NASA hosting the ultimate reality TV show: what is it like to be an astronaut. Get 7 wannabees to go through training....see who is left standing. The winner? Becomes a real astronaut.


There are many ways to connect a modern audience with the program...I would just like to see that be a priority...then, when these future kids are future adults and can vote and demand priorities, they can help change congressional focus and support on the space program...and chance the space program's leadership as well...

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