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Axman
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posted 01-13-2025 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Axman   Click Here to Email Axman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a postcard and an envelope here.

The top one, the postcard, is an official Kennedy Space Centre VIP postcard, given out to those attending the spectacle on the VIP stands closest to the pad on the day of the Apollo 7 launch, the first manned flight of the Apollo missions to land a man on the moon. I have absolutely no doubt it is genuine.

Underneath is an envelope, or a cover in philatelic terms. The cancellation postmark indicates it was issued on the Apollo 7 launch day from within the restricted area of the Kennedy Space Centre. It was not postmarked by the Visitor Information Centre.

What intrigues me is that it is neither an official VIP postcard, nor a NASA Official Cachet. The NOCs for Apollo 7 (and Apollo 8) were uniquely produced as labels, not rubber stamped impressions. They were applied by sticking them onto an envelope. I do not possess an Apollo 7 NOC to show here, but I am assured they had smooth edges and were made of shiny material. (If anybody has contradictory information I would love to know it).

I bought my envelope for a few dollars. I was told by the vendor that the cachet had been cut from a cereal packet and then stuck on!

But... I cannot find any information regarding Apollo 7 badged cereal packets.
The cachet is definitely a cut-out and has been stuck on, but the edges are crudely cut. The material is more like heavy paper than light cardboard. And significantly, the dimensions are exactly the same as the official VIP postcard cachet.

But it cannot be just a VIP card cut-out applied to a franked envelope for at least three reasons:

  1. Why. Why would anybody do that?

  2. Although the dimensions are exactly the same, the colours are deeper, more purplish than the VIP card.

  3. Why. Why would anybody do that?
Does anybody have any knowledge of Kellog's cereal packets featuring Apollo flights? Can anybody show a NOC sticker on cover for Apollo 7? And can anybody give me an explanation for my mysterious unofficial official?

yeknom-ecaps
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posted 01-13-2025 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yeknom-ecaps   Click Here to Email yeknom-ecaps     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since you say the cachet is not card-stock/cardboard, is it instead a cut-out of the Apollo 7 emblem from the ONC label? I have a number of these where the collector received the ONC label separate from the cover, cut around the emblem, and then applied it to the cover.

And, yes, as you stated, most of the ones I have like this are crudely cut.

Axman
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posted 01-13-2025 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Axman   Click Here to Email Axman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The simple answer is I don't know Tom. I have no Apollo 7 NOC stickers to be able to compare it to.

It has definitely been stuck on. It is thinner than cereal packet material. It is matte, not shiny. It has exactly the same dimensions as the VIP card cachet and maybe the same thickness if not thinner, but the printing (and it is printed) is not exactly the same quality as the VIP card, hard to define how it differs, except very slightly in colour and definition.

Were the Apollo 7 ONC labels matte paper?

micropooz
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posted 01-13-2025 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for micropooz   Click Here to Email micropooz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great question, Alan! And one that perplexed me in my early days of collecting as well.

Forty years later, I have seen Apollo 7 ONC labels that were cut perfectly square, beveled on the upper right to make room for the cancel, and as you have seen, roughly cut right around the insignia. And you are correct — the paper is not shiny and the print quality is slightly less than that of the VIP cards.

The story that was told to me is this: A rubber stamped ONC was developed and did not work out well (too detailed - I'll try to post an image later). So, the PO hurriedly ordered up stickers. The first few stickers were carefully square cut and applied, but as time went by, less care was given to cutting and applying the labels (hence the beveled and rough-cut-around ones).

Ken H or Bob M may know more details...

cosmos-walter
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posted 01-13-2025 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alan, here are the Apollo 7 and 8 launch covers with ONC stickers from my collection.

micropooz
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posted 01-13-2025 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for micropooz   Click Here to Email micropooz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Walter's Apollo 7 is one of the "beveled" versions I described above. Almost identical to the one I have in my collection.

Here is one of the rubber-stamped Apollo 7 ONC's that I mentioned above:

There are only a handful of these around. And beware - fakes exist! See Bulver's "Study of Suspect Space Covers" for details.

Bob M
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posted 01-13-2025 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many years ago I bought this Apollo 7 launch cover unsigned in an ATA/Space Unit auction. Then back in the good old days when many M-G-A astronauts kindly signed through the mail for free (!), mailed it to Eisele, Cunningham and finally to Schirra and completed by him in 1984.

This is an excellent example of the Apollo 7 ONC label cachet being carefully trimmed and then applied by the collector to his blank canceled cover.

Evidently, the rectangular labels were sometimes (always/usually?) not applied by the KSC post office, but enclosed inside the cover for the receiving collector to apply as desired (I seem to remember buying an Apollo 7 cover years ago with a loose Apollo 7 ONC label inside). So, as probably many like the original owner of this cover did, trimmed around the insignia design and then applied it to the cover. Often, as we've seen, the trimmer was not careful.

The smaller label cachet as seen on Walter's Apollo 8 cover, was probably the result of the KSC postmaster realizing that their Apollo 7 label cachet was too big and made the Apollo 8 label a smaller and more convenient size.

If you look closely, you can see evidence of the label being trimmed.

To continue - In Ralph Yorio's excellent KSC Philatelic History booklet, he states about the Apollo 7 covers and labels: "Quantity Cancelled - 23,800 of which 10,760 had the KSC cachet *applied*." Also, "This cachet is the first gummed label used."

Axman
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posted 01-14-2025 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Axman   Click Here to Email Axman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all the information.

So, nothing to do with Kellogg's Corn Flakes packets then, I wonder why the vendor told me that! I shall index mine as an ONC.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 01-14-2025 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do have some original ONC labels for Apollo 7 not used. The printed VIP launch cards along with those Apollo 7 mission insignia stickers used here on actual launch day covers I am sure are NASA produced. Some of the gummed labels do slightly vary in their original cut-sizes though. All of those that I have are vintage labels supplied by NASA here at the space center with a few others by KSCPS members.

The Kellogg's cereal decal packets are altogether a different thing as noted above by Tom, Dennis, and Bob. If wanted, I can post what I have with those labels in mint or uncut condition if that might be useful along with a few other applications.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 01-14-2025 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Kellogg's stickers can be seen in this topic: Spaceflight-related food premiums.

Axman
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posted 01-14-2025 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Axman   Click Here to Email Axman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awww wow! Well outside my sphere of collecting, but awesome nonetheless.

It would seem that my vendor had genuine childhood memories relating to Apollo stickers in Corn Flakes packets after all.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 01-14-2025 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't forget that the Kellogg's decals do make good (in most cases) cachet covers. I've used a few of them on several blank but cancelled covers for Mercury, Gemini, and some Apollo missions.

The only big concern about them in my opinion is their weak printing quality with the added adhesive on back since they are many decades old, but hey, some can still work for me. Sometimes on others their reverse side is toned so much that the gummed label residue can be seen on the front.

Another factor is their availability as I rarely see many of them these days on eBay, etc.

micropooz
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posted 01-14-2025 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for micropooz   Click Here to Email micropooz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boy this is a great thread!

I stand corrected on the story I'd heard decades ago about the postal clerks getting impatient and trimming the Apollo 7 ONC stickers ever closer and rougher.

When Bob said that the stickers came enclosed in the cover, to be applied by the collector, that made a whole lot more sense. And it better explains the wide array of ways the stickers have been cut and applied.

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