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micropooz
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posted 05-06-2023 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for micropooz   Click Here to Email micropooz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Space Cover of the Week, Week 700 (May 7, 2023)

Space Cover 700: LLRV and LLTV

Above is a cover postmarked at Edwards, CA (same as Edwards AFB) on December 13. 1965, a day that Army helicopter pilot Emil E "Jack" Kleuver's flew the Lunar Landing Research Vehicle (LLRV). It carries one of Bob Rank's Velvet cachets depicting the LLRV. This is the only LLRV cover that Rank made (that I know of – if anyone knows differently, please post!).

The cachet doesn't show it well, but the LLRV looked nothing like any kind of spaceship – a metal tube framework with four legs, a jet engine pointing downward, rocket engines and tanks dotted throughout, and an open cockpit on the side, as shown below. In fact, NASA's Monograph in Aerospace History #36, NASA SP-2004-4535, titled the LLRV as "Unconventional, Contrary, and Ugly".

Two LLRV's were built by Bell Aircraft to test techniques for the Apollo astronauts to land on the Moon. On a typical flight the jet engine would boost the LLRV up to about 200 feet altitude over Edwards, then throttle back to a thrust of 5/6 the weight of the vehicle in order to simulate lunar gravity. Then the pilot would fly a landing approach much like the (then) future Apollo Lunar Module would over the Moon using the rocket engines. NASA FRC pilots Joe Walker, Don Mallick, Army helicopter pilot Kleuver, and NASA MSC "instructor pilots" Joe Algranti and Bud Ream flew 204 of these missions from October 30, 1964, to January 13, 1967 at Edwards.

Covers were produced for many (but not all) of these flights, and most were more "plain Jane" than the above cover, with a simple rubber-stamped cachet (probably from the local Boy Scout troop). This typical one is from Walker's March 2, 1965 flight:

After these flights at Edwards, LLRV #1 was transferred to Ellington AFB in Houston to help train the Apollo astronauts. Additionally, three more vehicles, nearly identical to the LLRV's, designated Lunar Landing Training Vehicles (LLTV's) were procured for Apollo training. This squad of four vehicles made around 590 flights at Ellington.

But remember the word "contrary" above? Even though the LLRV's and LLTV's were good training tools, an errant gust of wind or a small problem with the vehicle could create a bad day. Three crashes occurred; Neil Armstrong in LLRV #1 on May 6, 1968; Joe Algranti in LLTV #1 on December 8, 1968; and MSC pilot Stu Present in LLTV #2 on January 31, 1971. All three pilots successfully ejected before crashing but, because of the hazards involved with the LLRV's and LLTV's, astronaut training with these vehicles was generally reserved for Apollo commanders and backup commanders. So, the astronauts who actually flew these vehicles in training were limited to: Borman and Anders (prior to the crashes and being assigned to a non-LM flight), Armstrong, Conrad, Lovell, Shepard, Scott, Young, Cernan, Gordon (as Apollo 15 backup commander), and Haise (as Apollo 16 backup commander).

I haven't seen any covers postmarked for the Houston LLRV and LLTV flights. If any of you have one, please post 'em!

Antoni RIGO
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posted 05-07-2023 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antoni RIGO   Click Here to Email Antoni RIGO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dennis, another example of LLRV cover below.

By the way, I also never saw LLRV or LLTV covers canceled in Houston.

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posted 05-07-2023 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cronky   Click Here to Email cronky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is another slightly different Robert Rank cover for this event. The writing on my one is pinky/purple instead of blue:

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posted 05-07-2023 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bobslittlebro   Click Here to Email bobslittlebro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great topic Dennis. Here is my contribution to your post. A very nicely signed LLRV cover and photo from Nasa Test Pilot Don Mallick.

micropooz
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posted 05-08-2023 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for micropooz   Click Here to Email micropooz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, great covers guys! A few observations:
  1. Antoni - The LLRV silhouette is a great add-on to the normal Boy Scout Cachet! Any idea who did that?

  2. Cronky - Interesting variant of the Rank Velvet Cachet! That's fairly common with Rank's Velvets - he pretty much handmade each one. He had to hand-sprinkle the pigments onto each of the cachets before baking them in his oven. So that introduced notable variability between cachets of the same design.

  3. Tim - Nice signed cover! And it's interesting that by 1966 the Boy Scout Cachet rubber stamp had evolved from just "LLV" in the earlier cachets to "Lunar Lander Research Vehicle".
And so far, nobody has seen covers for the Houston flights...

Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-08-2023 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by micropooz:
Covers were produced for many (but not all) of these flights...
How did collectors learn of the flights happening, or were these covers made by people who worked on base?

Maybe that is the difference between Edwards and Ellington: at Edwards you had an established surrounding community. Ellington was/is a much smaller facility and maybe didn't have the same type of following?

micropooz
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posted 05-09-2023 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for micropooz   Click Here to Email micropooz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a good point Robert!

There was a guy named Dennis Lally that worked with the local Boy Scout Troop at Edwards to service and cachet covers. I'd imagine that the kids in the troop all had dads that worked on base and knew when the flights were happening.

I'm not aware of any similar situation at Ellington. Plus at Ellington, the LLRV/LLTV flights were more operational training flights than research, so they probably didn't attract the level of attention that the Edwards flights did.

Pete Sarmiento
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posted 05-09-2023 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pete Sarmiento   Click Here to Email Pete Sarmiento     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Antoni, your cover was made by Boudwin. He uses airmail envelopes for his space covers!

Antoni RIGO
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posted 05-10-2023 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antoni RIGO   Click Here to Email Antoni RIGO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Pete.

It is clear that my cover was made by Boudwin. However, the add-on image of LLRV could have been made by a collector or dealer years later. What do you think? Boudwin made add-on in their own covers?

micropooz
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posted 05-18-2023 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for micropooz   Click Here to Email micropooz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The LLRV even scored a stamp back in the day! This is Ecuador Mi #1306 issued in 1966. And very well done, I might add.

So I used to have one of these stamps as a kid, back when I collected space stamps. My space stamp collection drifted off to the four winds about 40 years ago after I discovered space covers. When I was conceptualizing my LLRV/LLTV Space Cover of the Week a month ago, I regretted not having this stamp anymore. So I ordered the set from a firm in Germany a couple of weeks before my submission was due. Well the German and US postal authorities must have conspired to send this via pack-turtle and rowboat, because it just showed up today, a month after shipment!

Enjoy.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 07-11-2023 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have not located any Houston covers for the LLRV and LLTV covers as yet (maybe none were done as indicated in these postings), however, I did find this early LLRV simple cachet cover for a Nov. 16, 1964 "captive flight" at Edwards as the cover notates on its back surface. The main cachet portion reads that it was a "second test in series."

Is this the earliest LLRV flight test cover known thus far? I'll keep checking for others even though I wasn't an avid collector of covers like this, and if you note the recent American Space Museum auction to end July 15 does feature a Boudwin LLRV flight test cover signed, but not signature verified, by Armstrong and Scott. The cover may, however, be pulled. It's one of mine if anyone might be interested in it if pulled.

micropooz
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posted 07-11-2023 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for micropooz   Click Here to Email micropooz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool Ken!

The Nov. 16, 1964 flight was indeed the second flight of the LLRV and flown by Walker. NASA flew the LLRV down at the old "South Base" of Edwards (where the X1 flew) to stay out of the way of the daily flight testing then going on at the North Base.

As Walker flew the LLRV over a manhole cover, the downward thrust flipped the manhole cover and it went flying up toward the LLRV's legs! After that flight, NASA decided that they needed to weld all of the manhole covers down at South Base...

Not sure what the "Captive Flight" notation may have meant on your cover — the LLRV never had any kind of motherplane or tether to keep it captive. Likely an error by the cachet maker(?).

So, now that we've seen the second flight cover, has anyone seen a cover for the Oct. 30, 1964 first flight? If so, please post it!

Ken Havekotte
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posted 07-12-2023 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The "captive flight" notation on the back surface of the above depicted cover, Dennis, might be in error as you pointed out. But didn't the first piloted or "ground operated" LLRV #1 a month earlier perform a series of fixed "tilt table" maneuvers while on the ground only (not flown)?

I think Walker also conducted those early unflown trials, but as you say, the Nov. 16
flight test in 1964 was indeed a full free-flight liftoff and landing exercise, even if only a few feet or yards off the ground. So it would seem incorrect, as you say, to regard the second flight test as a "captive flight."

micropooz
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posted 07-12-2023 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for micropooz   Click Here to Email micropooz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ken, you are correct that there were some tilt table tests, but those occurred in the August, 1964 timeframe.

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