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Bob M
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posted 09-13-2019 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Space Cover of the Week, Week 532 (September 15, 2019)

Space Cover #532: NASA Lifting Body Aircraft and pilots

From 1963 to 1975, six different Lifting Body research aircraft (M2-F1, M2-F2, M2-F3, HL-10, X-24A and X-24B) made a total of 221 test flights at Edwards AFB, CA. These six aircraft were flown by a total of 14 test pilots, which include Chuck Yeager, MIlt Thompson, Bill Dana, John Manke and Dick Scobee.

These wingless aircraft were used to test and verify the concept of returning aircraft from orbital flight and landing them on a runway. These Lifting Body flights provided data that contributed significantly to the development of the US Space Shuttle and contributed to the successful landings of the space shuttle orbiters.

The cover above at the top is an M2-F3 cover and is autographed by the nine test pilots who flew at least one of the three M2 aircraft (M2-F1, M2-F2 and M2-F3). These M2 flights, as well as all Lifting Body flights, involved being carried to launch altitude by a mothership and being released for free flights. Three other test pilots flew on the M2-F1, but only on tethered, ground tests pulled at 120 mph by a car. Two of these pilots were Fred Haise and Joe Engle (By the way, the autographs on this M2-F3 cover required nine separate mailings from 1978 (Yeager) to 1986 (Manke) to complete).

The bottom cover is an HL-10 cover. The first flight of the HL-10 was in December 1966. It later achieved a top speed of mach 1.86 and a top altitude of 90,030 feet and accomplished 36 flights. Piloting the HL-10 and signing this cover were John Manke, Bill Dana, Jerry Gentry, Pete Hoag and Bruce Peterson.

The top cover above is an X-24A cover. The X-24A's first flight was in April 1969 and three pilots, Jerry Gentry, John Manke and Cecil Powell, carried out its 28 flights. The X-24A achieved a top speed of mach 1.6 and a top altitude of 71,400 feet.

The cover at the bottom marks the final X-24B flight and is autographed by the six X-24B pilots. The X-24B made 36 flights, with the first flight on August 1, 1973. Its top speed was 1,164 mph and its highest altitude was 74,130 feet. John Manke made 16 flights, followed by Mike Love with 12, and with Bill Dana, Dick Scobee and Tom McMurtry making two flights each.

Sadly, two of the six X-24B pilots had tragic deaths, with Mike Love dying in an aircraft crash at Edwards AFB shortly after the end of the X-24B program and Dick Scobee dying aboard Challenger on 51L.

NAAmodel#240
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posted 09-14-2019 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAAmodel#240   Click Here to Email NAAmodel#240     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great topic.

Eddie Bizub
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posted 09-14-2019 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eddie Bizub   Click Here to Email Eddie Bizub     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great covers Bob! I have all of their autographs but not grouped as you have them. Mine are for the most part each on individual covers. Getting all those through the mail as you did is quite an accomplishment!

bobslittlebro
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posted 09-15-2019 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bobslittlebro   Click Here to Email bobslittlebro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great looking signed covers Bob.The lifting body pilots were real pioneers in the space program. I remember the days sending covers in the mail wanting to get multi autographs. It was a fun challenge to do so and in the end you have classic signed covers. Great job.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 09-15-2019 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember seeing those multi-signed lifting body covers from you, Bob, I believe back during the mid/late 1970's.

It was the same time period that we both starting collecting covers of the different lifting body test flight projects and getting them signed by their research pilots at NASA's Dryden/Edwards AFB.

For some reason, though, it had been difficult for me in contacting two of the pilots; Peter Hoag and Cecil Powell. For some unknown reason(s), several of my mail requests to those HL-10/X-24A pilots went unanswered and with the lost of some flight covers in getting them signed.

Of course, though, on the other hand, most of the NASA and military research pilots were by far excellent and very accommodating! Besides honoring their many autograph requests through the mail, most of the lifting body pilots went beyond "expanding the envelope so-to-speak" in providing signed photos and letter correspondences. Some of the best were John Manke, Bill Dana, Tom McMurtry, Milt Thompson, Mike Love, and future-to-be shuttle astronaut Dick Scobee as a B-52 drop pilot and X-24B flier.

I'm sure that Bob would agree, along with some other early collectors, that those were certainly the days of fun collecting, enthusiasm, and even challenges at times in trying to acquire carried/flown covers from some of the pilots.

Bob M
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posted 09-16-2019 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, guys. It was always fun to try for multi-signed items, such as with these lifting body covers, and generally results were good. As Ken, Eddie, Tim and many of us long-time collectors know, the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's were a great time for space autograph collectors, with the majority of NASA test pilots and NASA Astronauts, including cosmonauts, cooperative about autographs thru the mail.

Sadly, because of commercialization, eBay, auctions, etc., things have changed with space autographs, with thru the mail cooperation nothing like the 1970's/1980's/1990's space autograph collecting's Golden Age.

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posted 09-16-2019 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for albatron   Click Here to Email albatron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As you both know, I thoroughly enjoy multi signed items. I had a lifting body cover (homemade one I obtained with Milt, Love and Yeager on it), that I proceeded to get the rest to sign, except for Cec Powell. I sent it off to him, and it sat there for over a year, and then he passed away. I surely miss it.

I'm guessing he had been very ill, as he had always been great for me prior.

AWESOME stuff Bob! As usual!

Bob M
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posted 09-17-2019 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Al. Al's loss illustrates the problem with multi-autograph collecting. Overall, I was fortunate with sending items off for additional autographs to be added, with only one major loss (it still hurts, as it was the last autograph needed).

It's a worrisome way to collect autographs, with everything lost and wasted, including previous autographs, time and effort, if the request doesn't return.

Because of that worry, as time went on I became more of just a single autograph collector and rarely tried for multi-autographs with multi-shipments. It's an easier and much less worrisome and stressful way to collect. But what a thrill, and relief, to have the last multi-autograph request and shipment return and the item is completed!

albatron
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posted 09-17-2019 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for albatron   Click Here to Email albatron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boy thats the truth, how naive we were back in the day. LOL The risks were there but then it was worth it for beauties like these.

I do have a few items that no longer get sent around.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 09-17-2019 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, indeed Al and Bob, as I had been mailing off requests to the Apollo crews for complete signings of covers and photos when I was in high school and college.

Even though most of those mailed-in requests were to current NASA astronauts still working at JSC, there were a few Apollo crewmen no longer with the space agency at Houston during that time. Such requests had to be mailed separately to those ex-astronauts, which of course, in many cases already did contain prior-astronaut signatures.

But in the long-run, I would say more than 90% of those earlier mailed-in requests were indeed honored, mostly with authentic autographs, while a limited few did contain autopens.

But it was a different time frame and mindset during the 1970's. Nowadays, in trying to request signatures through the mail, it's a much different era or culture than it had been so many decades ago.

NASA public relations during the Apollo/Skylab/ASTP and early shuttle program years, in fact for the most part, were helpful and cooperative with space fans and collectors.

Like Bob had pointed out in a prior post here, the advent of ebay commercialization and other online outlets, dealerships, etc., has changed the whole picture entirely.

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