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stevedd841
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posted 01-09-2011 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stevedd841   Click Here to Email stevedd841     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Space Cover of the Week, Week 91 (January 9, 2011)

This is how the completed and orbited flown cover for STS-8 Challenger, serial number 1,356, was supposed to look with the completed launch aboard Challenger cancel of August 30, 1983, and the returned to Earth Edwards AFB, CA cancel of September 5, 1983. So, does a low serial number guarantee that the STS-8 cover is flown? Answer, no, but it is probably a better probability for a space cover collector to have a low serial numbered Challenger cover to hedge one's bet.

Space Cover #91, Unflown USPS STS-8 Challenger Cover?

It was going to be a spectacular coup! NASA and the USPS were planning to offer flown STS-8 Challenger covers in a special folder to space cover collectors for NASA's 25th anniversary. The covers to be flown on Challenger on the STS-8 mission would have a KSC cancel for the first day of issue of the USA $9.35 express mail stamp, noting, "Space Mail, Orbited Via STS-8" and with a fancy star cancel, stating NASA 25th anniversary 1958-1983 canceling the high value $9.35 stamp. Added to the cover would also be a launched aboard Challenger cancel of August 30, 1983 and a returned to Earth Edwards AFB, CA cancel of September 5, 1983.

That was the NASA and USPS plan, but sometimes plans go awry. There was a limit imposed by the USPS to sell only one flown cover per person with sales beginning after the landing of Challenger at Edwards AFB, California, September 5, 1983. However, sales to individuals were not the determining factor for the covers as the quantity of flown covers was 259,377 covers from the Challenger's orbital flight. If a collector wanted one (or several) one could get them. By the middle of November, USPS staff had sold all of the prized flown covers for the flight, a total of 261,899, covers sold at $15.35 per folder with a STS-8 flown and orbited cover included in the special folder.

The flown cover with serial number 0 was sent to the National Postal Museum in Washington, DC. Covers with serial numbers 0-1,000 had been carried in the STS-8 crew compartment. The remaining covers of the 261,900 allotment had been flown in the space shuttle's cargo section in special containers that could be offloaded easily after the Challenger's flight. Some covers were damaged during handling and further processing after the flight. A subtotal of 2,532 damaged and mishandled covers were reported destroyed and the over produced number of covers that were not on the STS-8 flight were also ordered destroyed. However, please note this, cover serial numbers below 261,900 do not mean a cover was flown, nor does a serial number above 261,900 guarantee a cover was not flown, so "caveat emptor" in your purchase of these covers.

Now I have a cover, serial number 276,136, with a few things may be missing, namely the launched aboard Challenger cancel and also the returned to Earth cancel, leaving only the KSC space mail cancel and orbited via STS-8 cancel for NASA's 25th anniversary and marking this cover as unflown in spite of the cancel on it.

So, why is an unflown cover for STS-8 significant? Answer, there were extra STS-8 anniversary covers printed and serviced, but not all of them were flown and those that were incomplete or damaged were ordered destroyed by the USPS. This cover was unflown, but somehow missed the USPS destruction instructions.

Special thanks is given to Robert Pearlman and Uzzi69 for discussing this interesting STS-8 flown cover subject earlier, June 24, 2002. The author does not hold the official list of flown and unflown cover serial numbers, but my cover serial number 276,136, and missing the other two cancels for completing the STS-8 Challenger's flight most assuredly appears to identify the cover as unflown, or ...does it?

Steve Durst, VP, SU 4379

Robert Pearlman
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posted 01-09-2011 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stevedd841:
...most assuredly appears to identify the cover as unflown, or ...does it?
We know that there were flown covers with serial numbers higher than 261,900, so your serial number of 276,136 doesn't mean the cover wasn't flown.

I would think that it is just as plausible that your cover flew but accidentally missed getting the launch and landing cancels.

Did this cover come packaged with the same tri-fold folder as the others?

The way I heard it, none of the unflown covers came near the packaging process.

Apollo-Soyuz
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posted 01-09-2011 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apollo-Soyuz   Click Here to Email Apollo-Soyuz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The unflown covers would not have received the launch and landing cancels on them but I have read that there were flown covers that did not receive the launch and landing cancels that were not on the unflown list.

stevedd841
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posted 01-09-2011 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stevedd841   Click Here to Email stevedd841     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The cover was bought loose from a dealer at BALPEX a couple of years ago. It did not have a USPS folder nor was it in an original shipping envelope.

Apollo-Soyuz
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posted 01-10-2011 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apollo-Soyuz   Click Here to Email Apollo-Soyuz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, your cover, according to the unflown cover list, was flown.

stevedd841
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posted 01-11-2011 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stevedd841   Click Here to Email stevedd841     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John, Wow! Now I really like this cover! Many thanks for your research checking-out my cover.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 01-11-2011 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has any unflown cover (based on serial number) ever been reported found?

cosmos-walter
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posted 01-31-2011 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, it is amazing. Again you found a great and unique cover. Congratulations! If it was mine, I would try to have it signed by STS-8 crew.

DOX32
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posted 03-04-2011 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DOX32   Click Here to Email DOX32     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I now have a list of unflown STS-8 covers. I have several and all of them were flown.

From a rarity stand point, does anyone have a STS-8 cover NOT flown, with the number listed in this report.

Evidently damaged and non-flown covers were destroyed!

p3.orion
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posted 04-18-2011 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p3.orion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Somebody more knowledgeable, check my logic here:

From the sound of it, most or all of the unflown covers were destroyed as planned. It seems that if you have a cover, it's either flown, making it valuable, or unflown but intact, which might make it even more valuable (certainly rarer.)

Does that sound about right?

Apollo-Soyuz
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posted 04-19-2011 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apollo-Soyuz   Click Here to Email Apollo-Soyuz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your logic seems right to me.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 07-16-2011 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Courtesy John Macco, the complete U.S. Postal Service listing of serial numbers of the 238,100 covers that were produced but not flown on the STS-8 space shuttle mission is now available for download (PDF, 148mb) under Resources.

cvrlvr99
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posted 05-25-2015 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cvrlvr99   Click Here to Email cvrlvr99     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was going to write this up as my SCOTW on July 4, but just found that the STS-8 Flown cover had a long list of threads. So I'll add to that instead.

I sent off for three covers using my name and my two sons names. One of the three came back with the correct postmarks on the front, but missing the one on the back. It is number 167647. I think that it was 7 years later in 1990 when Bob Boyd and I drove down to Houston and Dan Brandenstein was there. Bob had asked for and received Truly's autograph on his regular cover immediately after receiving it.

When Bob asked Brandenstein to sign it, he said, "Well, the boss told us not to sign these, but I guess if he signed this one, it's ok for me to sign it too."

I then gave him my "missing postmark" cover to sign and he did.

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 05-25-2015 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a question: What's the lowest and highest numbered flown cover found on the secondary market? And a longshot — does anyone know who owns the lowest and highest numbered flown cover? (Granted, eBay isn't the best indicator, but I haven't seen any four-digit covers come up on the secondary market.)

cosmos-walter
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posted 05-26-2015 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine has number 154 - one of 1,001 cabin flown covers.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-26-2015 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you share how you obtained it? According to the postal service, covers numbered 0 through 1,000 were retained by the USPS for official display and presentation purposes.

cosmos-walter
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posted 05-26-2015 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I purchased it at an auction. As far as I remember it was accompanied by a letter stating this cover originally was a gift. Many years ago Seymour Rodman offered in his auction a cover with 1 digit number signed by whole STS-8 crew.

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