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Topic: Current status of Mach 25 patches
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Chuckster01
Member Posts: 1112
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 08-13-2018 04:41 PM
   
Does anyone know if Mach 25 patches are still issued to all astronauts who fly or did that end with the space shuttle program? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 51425
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-15-2018 07:14 PM
I don't know the status of the Mach 25 patch at current, but the Soyuz spinoff "MAXA 25" patch continues to be presented, as seen in these photos of Kimiya Yui with Kjell Lindgren and Butch Wilmore with Samantha Cristoforetti. 
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Chuckster01
Member Posts: 1112
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 08-16-2018 05:54 PM
That is the first I have seen of the MAXA-25 patch with Soyuz capsule instead of a shuttle.Very cool. |
mmcmurrey
Member Posts: 184
From: Austin, TX, USA
Registered: Jun 2012
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posted 08-17-2018 10:06 AM
I don't see a MAXA 25 in these pics. It looks like MACH 25 patches.
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Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 51425
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-17-2018 02:02 PM
Indeed, it does look like the "Mach" in the photo with Wilmore, but it still seems appropriate to refer to them as the MAXA 25 patch after the original Soyuz design (linked above). |
Liembo
Member Posts: 849
From: Bothell, WA
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 03-22-2019 12:40 PM
A-B Emblem posted up some old and new Mach 25 patches to their "Lost in Space" page and they were swept up in less than 10 minutes, not sure what the quantity was other than "limited." Given that these are usually extras from an official production run it looks like it's safe to say astronauts for SpaceX and Boeing may be sporting these on their flight suits in the future?  |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1558
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 03-22-2019 12:54 PM
Yes I saw these Mach 25 patches. Each patch has the following SKU patch design numbers; - Space Shuttle (original design) 406823
- Space Station (showing Soyuz craft) 406821
- SpaceX 408044 (new)
- Starliner 408046 (new)
These SKU numbers are all 2019 patch design numbers, and the date codes are probably all February and March prototype/sample "55" date codes? They were described by AB Emblem as "Patch the same one issued by NASA for current astronauts." |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 51425
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-22-2019 05:06 PM
It will be interesting to see if an Orion "Mach 36" version is also eventually produced. |
James913
Member Posts: 327
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 03-22-2019 07:05 PM
First question pops to my mind: why was a new run of space shuttle Mach 25 patches being made for NASA? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 51425
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-22-2019 07:10 PM
Per a recent (unrelated) discussion with a shuttle astronaut, NASA still provides patches to its program veterans as needed. |
Liembo
Member Posts: 849
From: Bothell, WA
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 03-25-2019 01:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin T. Randall:
...prototype/sample "55" date codes?
They are all "0319 55," A-B Emblem crown logo sticker. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 51425
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-25-2019 01:36 PM
The "55" sample demarcation will distinguish these patches from those sourced from space shuttle, Soyuz and future astronauts. |
Liembo
Member Posts: 849
From: Bothell, WA
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 03-25-2019 02:37 PM
As it turns out, the label on the back is a sticker, not embedded under the plastic material.  |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1558
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 03-25-2019 04:08 PM
I see the SKU patch design numbers on the SpaceX and Starliner Mach 25 patch stickers are different to the ones used on the AB Emblem website. Which of the two SKU numbers are on your packing slip Liem? - SpaceX 408044 on the website, 405044 on the patch sticker
- Starliner 408046 on the website, 405046 on the patch sticker
I wonder which one is the error? Or are there two versions of these two patches?I also noticed there is a missing "0" from the 319 55 date code on the Starliner sticker. |
Liembo
Member Posts: 849
From: Bothell, WA
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 03-25-2019 06:16 PM
I wouldn't consider the "319 55" number any sort of variation. If you look closely, the sticker cut above, partially included in the label does have the zero, so it's probably a defect or inking issue with their stamper (this could explain other missing 0 labels elsewhere? who knows)SKUs on the packing slip match the website. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 51425
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-26-2019 09:57 AM
For comparison, here are examples of shuttle and Soyuz Mach 25 patches obtained from an astronaut (on the left) and their new sample counterparts. As you can see, the designs differ in stitching and thread color. The astronaut-obtained shuttle example was made by AB Emblem in 2016. The Soyuz version has no label.  |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1558
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 03-26-2019 10:10 AM
Many thanks for showing the earlier two patches top and middle left.What is the patch design number and date code on the top left Shuttle Mach 25 patch? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 51425
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-26-2019 11:17 AM
The shuttle Mach 25 design is 160016; the date code is 7/16/20. |
Liembo
Member Posts: 849
From: Bothell, WA
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 04-24-2019 11:27 AM
An additional batch of the Mach patches was authorized by A-B Emblem for sale on their site, this time it's production run ("PR") extras (all but the Soyuz version). I estimate there were 12 or so of each. This time they have production date codes. |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1558
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 04-24-2019 11:40 AM
The SKU patch design numbers and date codes on the embedded labels were as follows;
- Space Station Soyuz 406821 A-B Emblem 04/19 20 (None found with this date code label on Yet)
- Space Shuttle 406823 A-B Emblem 04/19 20
- SpaceX Dragon 405044 A-B Emblem 04/19 20
- Boeing Starliner 405046 A-B Emblem 04/19 20
Update on 9th October 2023;
I have just come across another AB Emblem Mach 25 patch with an unrecorded SKU number and date code on the following patch;- Space Station Soyuz 195063 Made In USA 07/12/20 (July 2012) (on an old style all white embedded label)
See my post at the bottom of the Mach 25 patch Spinoffs (MAXA 25, Mach 26) thread. |
thisismills
Member Posts: 509
From: Michigan
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-15-2020 11:25 PM
Doug Hurley wearing a Mach 25 Dragon patch today (Nov. 15) during the Crew-1 launch broadcast. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 51425
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-17-2020 12:09 PM
Good catch! So now we know that the earlier sample and small production batches were more than a proposal and have now been put into use by the astronaut office. |
NavySpaceFan
Member Posts: 664
From: Norfolk, VA
Registered: May 2007
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posted 05-07-2021 09:36 AM
So, with a couple of successful Crew Dragon flight under our belts, will there be a Mach 25 patch with a Dragon?Editor's note: Threads merged.
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Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1558
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 05-07-2021 09:43 AM
There is already a SpaceX Mach 25 patch with a Dragon capsule on, manufactured by AB Emblem in April 2019, which are available to NASA for presentation to the flown Dragon crews. |
thisismills
Member Posts: 509
From: Michigan
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 05-07-2021 09:54 AM
As above, Doug Hurley from the Crew Demo-2 mission was seen wearing the patch in a Crew-1 pre-flight broadcast on Nov. 15th 2020. |
NavySpaceFan
Member Posts: 664
From: Norfolk, VA
Registered: May 2007
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posted 05-08-2021 02:05 PM
Very good! Hadn't seen these before. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 51425
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-12-2021 02:01 PM
Retrorocket Emblems has created a terrific pair of parody Mach emblems for Blue Origin's New Shepard and Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo. These are a spoof of the Space Shuttle "Mach 25" patches. With Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic now space-faring companies, these patches mark their milestones of achieving Mach 2 and 3 on their suborbital flights. Patches are the same size and color as the originals.  |
Paul J. Brennan
Member Posts: 266
From: Linden, CA
Registered: May 2019
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posted 07-12-2021 07:20 PM
Great job Liem! Sold! |
MajTom7
Member Posts: 143
From: Cocoa, FL USA
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted 07-20-2021 08:35 AM
During today's telecast of the Blue Origin launch, they said that New Shepard hit Mach 3. Will that cause any changes to your patch or were they "mistaken?" |
Liembo
Member Posts: 849
From: Bothell, WA
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 07-20-2021 10:42 AM
I caught that, too! However, Blue Origin just tweeted their official numbers and it looks like it achieved Mach 2.91 but there's an altitude component to the speed of sound so it would have to take into account at what altitude maximum velocity was achieved. I did some calculations and a true airspeed of 2,233 above 10,000 feet will be greater than Mach 3, so they hit it if you use the altitude component, which is the standard to do so. |
Liembo
Member Posts: 849
From: Bothell, WA
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 09-17-2021 10:08 PM
Retrorocket Emblem's Crew Dragon Mach 25 replica is now available for purchase. In order to differentiate this patch from the original, I added the umbilical port to the trunk of the spacecraft.  |
brianjbradley
Member Posts: 166
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 11-29-2023 08:20 PM
When did they start giving out the Mach 25 patches (for shuttle)? I am thinking of astronaut portraits from the 1980s-era (including the flown astronaut photos with the Columbia blue flight suits) and can't remember that patch being used. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 51425
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-29-2023 10:51 PM
An earlier thread identified this photo (S84-37536) as the earliest appearance of a Mach 25 patch. Bob Crippen can be seen wearing it on his flight suit in 1984. |
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