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Topic: Voskhod 2 mission or Soviet program patch
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Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4305 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 04-04-2017 06:34 PM
For the Soviet purists amongst the community I apologize for my ignorance. It is really only recently that I have developed an appreciation for the early Soviet manned space program.Did Voshkod 2 have a mission patch of any kind or is there some kind of generic Voshkod program patch? |
David C Member Posts: 1225 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 04-04-2017 06:42 PM
An expert will be along shortly.In the meantime, I think that Восход in Russian is normally romanised as "Voskhod" not "Voshkod." I don't know if it's the official Восход 2 patch, or generic, but both Belyayev and Leonov wore a rocket patch a bit like this one on eBay (322031336759) on the left shoulders of their pressure suits: If you look at pictures of Leonov training for ASTP in his green coveralls, you'll see a couple of non-ASTP patches. |
Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4305 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 04-05-2017 07:32 AM
Thanks David. Ideally I would prefer the artwork rather than a photo of the patch itself. But then there is a train of thought to keep the backdrop for Space Lectures' Leonov event photos clear of any or all clutter. The jury is still out on that one. |
David C Member Posts: 1225 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 04-05-2017 10:35 AM
Sorry, that's all I have. It's a very simple design though. If you look at some high resolution ASTP Leonov shots to get the number of stars right, etc., I'm sure you could find someone to draw it up for you.I guess the experts are stuck in traffic or something. |
Dave_Johnson Member Posts: 120 From: Registered: Feb 2014
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posted 04-05-2017 12:56 PM
This may be what you are looking for, Rick. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 45546 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-05-2017 01:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by David C: I don't know if it's the official Восход 2 patch, or generic...
To quote Spacepatches.nl: The arrowhead shaped CCCP logo was the first Soviet space patch that was publicly seen. It was worn on the protective layer of the Berkut spacesuit on March 18, 1965, by Alexei Leonov during his famous spacewalk outside Voskhod-2. (His crewmate Pavel Beljayev was also wearing it on his Berkut). We assume the Soviets knew that pictures of Leonov outside his spaceship would be published all over the world. American astronauts were wearing fancy NASA-meatball patches on their suits; the CCCP-patch was probably meant as a Soviet counterpart. Since personalized designs were not encouraged by the Soviet system, the patch probably represented the Zvezda factory who had built the Berkut-suit. We will therefore refer to it as the Zvezda 'Rocket'. |
David C Member Posts: 1225 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 04-05-2017 02:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dave_Johnson: This may be what you are looking for, Rick.
Pretty sure that's a "fantasy patch" from decades later. I think that Robert's correct. |
Russian Member Posts: 397 From: France Registered: Nov 2012
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posted 04-06-2017 03:53 AM
The first space "patch" (dove with olive branch) was on Tereshkova's shoulder on blue suit under her spacesuit. Such a space fact! |
Ironman Member Posts: 66 From: England Registered: Feb 2015
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posted 04-09-2017 01:36 PM
I'm looking for the same thing Rick, but have drawn a blank so far. There is a photograph of Leonov drawing a figure similar to the one in the rectangular patch posted by Dave, but this could have been the inspiration for the rectangular patch rather than a design. |
Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4305 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 04-09-2017 03:00 PM
Thanks for all the input guys. Much appreciated. I think the "arrow head" CCCP design will fit the bill. |
kyra Member Posts: 584 From: Louisville CO US Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 04-18-2017 06:21 PM
Until the Apollo-Soyuz mission, there were only six patches flown. - Sun-Rays and Dove CCCP (Vostok 6)
- Diamond/Arrowhead CCCP Rocket (Voskhod 2 and Soyuz 4/5 Spacesuits, Soyuz 11 flight suits, Leonov's ASTP flight suit)
- Gold and Black Solar-Rocket (First seen on Soyuz 11, but may have flown on intended flight suits for Soyuz 10 had the docking not failed. Oddly, it was not seen again until the Salyut 4 missions. Was mistakenly later called the Flight Engineer's patch.)
- Rectangular Salyut Star (Soyuz 12 through 18)
- Soviet Flag Patch (Soyuz 12 and all missions to 1992)
- Soviet Seal (Salyut 4 Missions onward)
As for pins, Vladislav Volkov may have worn a souvenir Soyuz 6-7-8 pin on his Soyuz 11 flight suit, but this has not been confirmed, as I would need better imagery.There is a Soyuz 3 specific red patch produced near the time of flight but it was not worn by Georgi Beregovoi at any time. All the pin designs are souvenirs made for public consumption after the flight, and patches were made from some of these designs decades later. There was no "standard" accepted design for any specific mission until ASTP. So the closest that exists as a generic representative of the Voskhod through Salyut 1 Soviet manned space patch is the arrowhead rocket design. There have been made many marginal collection gap-filler reproductions made including the one earlier in the thread, but not one that is faithful to the original design. If someone knows of a good patch maker, I will help back a setup/production run, and I have high quality images of the original patch down to the stitch. The only thing I am not sure of is the dimension (about 4" tall, give or take a half inch). Incidentally, there is a red and gold version of this patch made from the original maker, but it is super rare - maybe only a couple dozen in existence. |
Russian Member Posts: 397 From: France Registered: Nov 2012
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posted 04-19-2017 04:32 AM
I have in my collection blue, red and brown CCCP patches. They are with or without USSR shape on the globe. And the first edition (Leonov's EVA) is bigger than in 70th. |
lucspace Member Posts: 420 From: Hilversum, The Netherlands Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 04-19-2017 04:41 AM
I would love to produce an accurate reproduction. The clincher is in the "accurate"; the original patches are embroidered on velvet, presumably by hand or on a manually operated machine. I am not sure if any commercial embroiderer offers this choice today... Also, the originals feature metal borders, making the original part boullion patch. |
lucspace Member Posts: 420 From: Hilversum, The Netherlands Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 04-19-2017 06:13 AM
Russian, could you perhaps confirm that this patch was in fact designed by Alexei Leonov himself? |
kyra Member Posts: 584 From: Louisville CO US Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 04-19-2017 10:34 AM
I am reluctant to call this design the "Zvezda rocket" as Zvezda had its own logo (the incomplete star or double vector over a globe) that is from the early 70s. As far as I can tell Alexei Leonov adopted the design and this is the version that appeared on the Soyuz 11 flight suits and Leonov's own flight suits including the one he wore on ASTP.The first version on space suits (Voskhod 2 and on Soyuz 4/5 by Yevgeni Khrunov and Alexei Yeliseyev) was a much darker blue and had CCCP in bolder letters and possibly did not have the Soviet borders on the globe. It had a white versus gold border. As Russian has stated, it is also larger. To add to the confusion, the 1970s Leonov version was sewn on various Yastreb 'Ястреб' and Berkut 'Беркут' suits in museums. If we replicated the second version, we would almost be in a situation of Plato's Theory of Forms of a copy of Leonov's idea of a copy. |
David C Member Posts: 1225 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 04-19-2017 12:27 PM
I have one of the not very faithful "gap filler" reproductions. I'd love to see a reproduction of the 1965 Voskhod 2 Berkut suit patch, velvet, bullion and all. As accurate as possible, accepting that you'll never quite replicate the real thing. I'd get half a dozen of those.Maybe one of the guys going to see Leonov in Europe could ask him about the patch. |
Russian Member Posts: 397 From: France Registered: Nov 2012
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posted 04-20-2017 12:10 PM
I asked a friend from the Star City to ask question to Leonov about this design. Let's hope we will get his answer...Five years ago I asked the same question to Tereshkova about her dove design. She laughed and answered very truly: "Who asked our opinion at that time! We had what "Zvezda" prepared for us." |
molaire1 New Member Posts: 9 From: FRANCE Registered: Apr 2017
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posted 02-05-2021 06:09 AM
This the best reproduction I have (from Russia). |