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Topic: ISS Expedition 53 insignia
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Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 01-23-2018 09:55 AM
   
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
...received a five-name version (label 269408, 1/17/20)
Many thanks for the update Robert. You got the one with the slightly darker green Earth colour error version, date coded 1/17/20.So it is looking like the sales department at AB Emblem have been selling this version (5 crew names) since early December right up to and including Saturday 13th January, and possibly they are still selling them today Tuesday, 23rd January? |
skyguard23
Member Posts: 26
From: Central Switzerland
Registered: Dec 2016
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posted 01-23-2018 09:56 AM
I placed my order for an Expedition 53 patch yesterday. I'll let you know which version arrives at my doorstep. |
Liembo
Member Posts: 583
From: Bothell, WA
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 01-23-2018 09:16 PM
Placed an order on the 18th, arrived today, it is the proper version: |
AshleyBoykin
Member Posts: 24
From: Weaverville
Registered: Aug 2016
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posted 01-26-2018 07:26 AM
Hi everyone!I sincerely apologize that we have been supplying the incorrect five-name version of Expedition 53. This was a simple mistake. It looks like some of our early production run accidentally made it into our online space stock. We will be happy to replace any incorrect emblems that have been sent out. If you have received an incorrect Expedition 53 emblem, please let me know! You can send me an email either to space.abemblem.com or ashleyb@abemblem.com and I will send you the replacement. Of course free of charge.  Thank you for letting us know! And for always being so understanding. You guys are awesome! |
AshleyBoykin
Member Posts: 24
From: Weaverville
Registered: Aug 2016
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posted 01-26-2018 07:41 AM
quote:
Originally posted by perineau:
...error version of the MIR 24 -/ Soyuz TM-26 patch
I just wanted to let you know that we do sell the spelling error version of the MIR 24 patch intentionally. The reason for this is because it is the true approved patch that was worn by the crew for the mission. We always try to stay as true as possible to the original mission patch. These little quirks are part of the history of the patch/mission. We always aim to preserve the history of the emblem. |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 01-26-2018 09:00 AM
Welcome back Ashley, it's nice to hear from you again. Long may this continue.
Many thanks for the explanations above.Some how I don't think you are going to get many, or indeed any takers for the patch exchange though? Everyone who has got one is going to hold onto it/them. |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 861
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 01-26-2018 02:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by AshleyBoykin:
...it is the true approved patch that was worn by the crew for the mission.
That patch was never approved by the crew and was never worn by the crew and did not fly... See spacepatches.nl for the complete story. |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 01-29-2018 11:06 AM
On looking at all the revised second design ISS Expedition 53 patches, both the (5 crew names), and the (6 crew names) versions, have the "green colour errors" across both versions of these Expedition 53 patches.
The production runs that have the darker green in the Earth are; - 269408 1/17/20
- 275488 4/17/20
- 275488 5/17/20
- 276488 04/17/20 (Crew Issue version)
- 275488 9/17/20*
- 275488 'A-B Emblem' 2/18/20 found 17-05-18
The production runs that have the lighter green in the Earth are; - 269408 12/1620
- 247766 8/17/20
- 275488 8/17/20
- 275488 9/17/20*
Yes the 9/17/20* date code patches can be found with both colour greens used. Which leads us to ask "which production runs have the 'correct' colour green Earth used in them?"Liem's Expedition 53 9/17/20 patch(es) (see above) look to have the darker green colour used on the Earth. (But I can't be 100% sure)? Can you clarify this Liem? If anyone else knows of any other differences from the ones listed above, please could you let us know. Thanks. |
Liembo
Member Posts: 583
From: Bothell, WA
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 01-29-2018 01:19 PM
The patches I received are of the "dark green" type. Wouldn't logic dictate that the "correct" version is the version as worn by the crew, regardless of any other production variations? |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 01-29-2018 01:30 PM
Yes Liem, but which version are they wearing?Though it was the 276488 USA 04/17/20 darker green Earth that I got from astronaut Paolo Nespoli. So it's a good chance that the other astronauts and cosmonauts are wearing that 04/17/20 patch batch too. So it is looking like it's the darker green Earth that is the version the crew are wearing? Maybe Tim Gagnon would know which colour green is the official one that is used on his first and second revised design for the Expedition 53 patch? |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 2896
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 01-29-2018 05:34 PM
Below is the final art we sent to JSC and a photo that Bresnik sent me while he was on orbit.Not sure if the patch in space shows the lighter or darker green as I haven’t seen them side by side. But at least it shows what the crew had in space.  
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Liembo
Member Posts: 583
From: Bothell, WA
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 01-29-2018 08:29 PM
The color difference between greens is so minute I am not even sure it's worth noting. You would not be able to tell by looking at a given patch with out the other and even then if you told someone to "find the difference between these two patches" without telling them what they were looking for, I doubt they would peg the color green as the difference. They would be indiscernible in a photo. Even as I hold them at different angles they can either match or differ. It's about like the difference between these two Pantone swatches (as an example, these are just approximate colors).  |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 01-30-2018 04:40 AM
Many thanks to Tim and Liem for their feedback.Looking at Tim's final design image it looks like the lighter green is the colour used for Earth. But then looking at the photo of the Expedition 53 patch on the ISS window, it looks like it is the darker green colour on Earth. (But for that photo it is dependent on the lighting used to light the patch). Liem, do you have examples of the 9/17/20 patches with both darker and lighter green Earths? Yes the green colour differences are minimal, but they are noticeable. Here is an overlapping side by side scanned image of three patches (all have the P/D No. 275488 and date codes 9/17/20). The top left is the lighter green Earth. The top right is the darker green Earth. The bottom patch is just as a reference with embedded label P/D No. 275488 and with 9/17/20 date code.  |
Panther494
Member Posts: 402
From: London UK
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 01-30-2018 05:21 AM
I have both examples and I have to disagree with Liem. The colours are noticeably different, probably more so than in Kevin's images above. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42984
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-30-2018 10:18 AM
The greens on Earth are not the only colors that differ between the two versions, at least on the two examples I have here. On the darker green version, the space station's truss is rendered in a darker blue. That same darker shade is also used as a highlight color in the nebula and lower right galaxy outline. The darker blue is subtle, more so than the differences in the green. |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 01-30-2018 11:13 AM
Well spotted Robert. I didn't see that blue thread difference. I will have to check all my Expedition 53 patches again in daylight tomorrow. |
skyguard23
Member Posts: 26
From: Central Switzerland
Registered: Dec 2016
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posted 02-01-2018 06:33 AM
As I expected by now, the patch I received is the correct six-name version.
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Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 05-05-2018 02:40 PM
A third patch design number has now come to light for the original Expedition 53 (six crew names) patch. It is 279129 USA 09/1720. Now this patch design number is for the current Expedition 52 (six crew names, with Whitson) patch.
First of all I thought it looked like the stitching program details for the Expedition 53 patch were possibly entered into the production machine instead of the program stitching details for the current Expedition 52 patch. The last known date code used on the current Expedition 52 patch is 8/17/20 where as the date code used for this possible error production run is 09/1720. A year after the design for that Expedition 53 patch was stopped and the design totally changed. (Last date code was 8/16/20.)On further closeup investigation, I noticed there seamed to be two labels on each of the three Expedition 53 patches I have. One label directly on top of another. The top label with P/D No. 279129 Made In USA 09/1720 is not embedded under the plastic coating, but has been stuck with precision directly over the top of the one underneath, with P/D No. 263544 Made In USA 7/16/20, which is embedded under the plastic coating. Now the question is, why was this done during September 2017? There is no logical answer to that question. I've not seen this done on any other patches before? I only have three examples of this "double labeling" practice. Two patches I have left exactly as I originally found them, but the third I have uncovered the embedded label below and re-positioned the top label to the right hand side of the one which was underneath. I've not found the current Expedition 52 patch with the date code 09/1720 as yet.  |
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