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Topic: ISS Expedition 46 insignia
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Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42984
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-11-2014 06:39 AM
   
ISS Expedition 46 mission patchThe International Space Station's (ISS) Expedition 46 begins with the scheduled undocking of Soyuz TMA-17M in November 2015. New crew members will arrive shortly thereafter on Soyuz TMA-18M.  ISS Expedition 46 will be commanded by NASA astronaut Scott Kelly. His crewmates, all flight engineers, include: Roscosmos cosmonauts Mikhail Korniyenko, Sergey Volkov and Yuri Malenchenko, NASA astronaut Tim Kopra and European Space Agency astronaut Tim Peake. The 46 icon in the foreground of the patch represents the forty-sixth expedition mission to the International Space Station. Earth is depicted at the top with the flags of the countries of origin of the crew members: United States, Russia and the United Kingdom. The Union flag of the UK is displayed in a position of prominence in recognition of the significance of the first British ESA astronaut (Tim Peake) to fly in space. The outer border is in the shape of a triangle with an unbroken border, symbolizing the infinite journey of discovery for past, present and future space explorers. The names of the six Expedition 46 astronauts and cosmonauts are shown in the border.  |
keith.wilson
Member Posts: 87
From: Callander, Stirling, Scotland
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 08-11-2014 05:18 PM
I like the concept for this patch but the position of the crew names gives it an 'unbalanced' 'untidy' look. Might have been better to have kept the two long names (Malenchenko and Korniyenko) apart. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42984
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-14-2014 06:22 PM
Patch description and artwork added above, courtesy ESA. |
GoesTo11
Member Posts: 1309
From: Denver, CO
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted 08-24-2014 03:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by keith.wilson:
The position of the crew names gives it an 'unbalanced' 'untidy' look. Might have been better to have kept the two long names (Malenchenko and Korniyenko) apart.
I agree. Is there some protocol for name placement that's being followed here? Because from a purely aesthetic view, it sure looks odd. The patch is *meh* anyway. I'm generally of the "less-is-more" school, but this design is just less being... less. I was hoping for something more memorable for the launch of ESA's first British astronaut. |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 08-24-2014 05:56 PM
To me, it looks as if somewhere in the process, the Russian and American flags (and the names) were switched, in order to get commander Kelly's name in the first position. Subsequently, the short names ended up on the left side of the patch, where is a lot of room; the longer Russian names ended up on the right side where the 46 icon is in the way. It would have been so much better to have it the other way, but in that case, the Russian flag and a Russian name would have taken the prime position in the upper left corner... Of course, what makes matters worse, is that it was probably designed with the shorter name ЗАЛЁТИН instead of МАЛЕНЧЕНКО. |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 2896
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 08-24-2014 07:25 PM
The names could have been mixed like we did on Exp 34. Placement tied to the flags does make it unbalanced. But this crew likes simple. Wait until you see the 47 patch. |
Bill Nelson
Member Posts: 151
From: Lakewood, Colorado U.S.A.
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 09-18-2014 05:47 AM
If Scotland votes for independence, this patch will probably have to be changed. |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 578
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted 09-18-2014 11:40 AM
Only if the UK changes the flag, Bill... |
dcfowler1
Member Posts: 77
From: Eugene, OR
Registered: May 2006
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posted 09-19-2014 12:59 AM
Moot point. |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 09-19-2014 05:03 AM
All is well, Scotland has voted for NO change to the United Kingdom, so there will be no change to the Union Jack flag. |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 578
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted 09-19-2014 05:55 PM
Great news... from my personal point of view. |
SleeBaudrons
Member Posts: 16
From: Scotland
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted 09-20-2014 11:17 AM
Sad news from mine, friends. |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 578
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted 09-20-2014 12:45 PM
I'm sorry. I deeply respect your way of thinking but do not share it. I live in Spain, and I think that you can understand me.A cordial greeting. |
SleeBaudrons
Member Posts: 16
From: Scotland
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted 09-20-2014 02:17 PM
Yes, I understand, friend. |
Tykeanaut
Member Posts: 2212
From: Worcestershire, England, UK.
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 09-22-2014 08:59 AM
I picked up an excellent one from Spaceboosters at Autographica on Saturday for £5. |
Russian
Member Posts: 361
From: France
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted 10-13-2014 07:01 AM
Frankly speaking I have some doubts about this design...Hardly see Russians accepting it on the Sokol space suit. I was told Malenchenko haven't seen the logo before its approval. |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 10-13-2014 07:56 AM
Is it because it looks too much (in both symbology and colors - and it is not just me, other people who saw the design for the first time had the same reaction) like it came straight from WW2? |
Russian
Member Posts: 361
From: France
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted 10-13-2014 08:03 AM
Yes! Total recall. |
Panther494
Member Posts: 402
From: London UK
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 10-23-2014 01:52 PM
Noticed on the AB Emblem website that they've been asked by NASA to cease production of this patch... |
JBoe
Member Posts: 959
From: Churchton, MD
Registered: Oct 2012
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posted 10-23-2014 03:43 PM
I checked out the site (AB Emblem) and read the "disclaimer." Would it be worthwhile to purchase (if able to) this "outdated" version in the meantime? Is there something that's significantly wrong with the design or crewmember change? |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 10-23-2014 05:02 PM
Funny how AB Emblem is 'marketing' this: "624 of 625 patches left", and the price is now up to $10.As noted earlier in this thread, the problem with this patch is probably the '46'. It somewhat resembles symbology associated with far- and extreme-right organizations. (Including, and this might be of some importance, the Social-National Assembly of Ukraine and their "Azov Battalion", a paramilitary detachment fighting the pro-Russian rebels). |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 578
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted 10-23-2014 05:24 PM
OMG! |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 10-23-2014 06:02 PM
There is no official confirmation that this is the real reason for the redesign, Jorge. And I doubt if NASA will ever give it. But what is interesting, is that this comes less than two weeks after the flight patches have been delivered to Russia... |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 578
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted 10-23-2014 06:47 PM
Didn't they see it before? |
Hart Sastrowardoyo
Member Posts: 3445
From: Toms River, NJ
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 10-23-2014 08:50 PM
Someone should put together a flight jacket/flightsuit of all the changed ISS expedition patches, starting with Expedition 6. Bet that would raise some eyebrows at the next astronaut presentation. |
Ronpur
Member Posts: 1211
From: Brandon, Fl
Registered: May 2012
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posted 10-23-2014 11:00 PM
Oh, crap, as a collector of WW2 memorabilia, I can not believe I didn't notice this before. How fast can a redesign be put into production? |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 10-24-2014 06:05 AM
quote:
Originally posted by KAPTEC:
Didn't they see it before?
I am under the impression that approval and production of this patch was somewhat rushed by NASA. Only in mid-July, they seem to have realized that commander Kelly's name was on it and that it had to be ready at the same time (August) as the 44 and 45 patches (which were already approved for production/distribution in late June). |
justin13
Member Posts: 50
From: Richmond, VA, U.S.A.
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 10-26-2014 04:51 PM
This seems to happen every 10 expeditions or so. I look forward to seeing the adjustments made to this design... |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 10-27-2014 02:56 AM
quote:
Originally posted by justin13:
This seems to happen every 10 expeditions or so.
From the top of my head: - Exp.6: Crew change (Pettit for Thomas)
- Exp.7 (2x): Crew changes (Kaleri for Moschenko / Columbia accident)
- Exp.13: Crew change (Late addition of Reiter)
- Exp.23: Orientation of Russian flag
- Exp.24: Mistake in Russian name
- Exp.25: Mistakes in Russian names
- Exp.26: Mistake in Russian name
- Exp.31: Poor interpretation of original artwork prompts privately funded patches for onboard suits
- Exp.36 (3x): Patch not approved by Russian ISS commander / mistake in Russian names (caught before mass production) / new mistake in Russian name
- Exp.37: Patch not approved by Russian ISS commander
- Exp.43: Crew change (Padalka for Lonchakov)
- Exp.46: Rejected by Roscosmos due to inappropriate symbology
(Exp.15 and 17 had multiple name versions, but those were already designed/produced in advance for several crew options; corrected patches for Exp.13 and 17 were produced after these flights by AB Emblem due to the omission of the German flag/mistake in Russian name respectively.) |
Hart Sastrowardoyo
Member Posts: 3445
From: Toms River, NJ
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 10-27-2014 10:46 AM
They should use the generic ISS shield patch and a red and gold box underneath with "Expedition TK," whatever number it is. (Perhaps flipping the shield so the point is on top and the red and gold box can butt up against the bottom of the ISS patch.) There's more issues with ISS patches than the shuttle patches! |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42984
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-27-2014 10:58 AM
NASA proposed to the international partners adopting a generic ISS expedition patch on at least two occasions over the past 14 years, in part due to the issues with crew changes. A generic design was reportedly created, but to my knowledge has not been seen publicly. |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 10-27-2014 11:54 AM
The generic patch is actually already part of the official policy: if an ISS commander is not able to reach consensus with his crew about a crew logo at least 18 months before the flight (not sure if that is Soyuz launch or start of Expedtion) a generic design will be used, as decided by the Mutilateral Crew Operations Panel in June of 2012.Most of the problems do not stem from crew changes (43 is the only recent example) but from mistakes made by NASA during the design-, approval- and production process. |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 01-20-2015 06:04 AM
I have the new Expedition 46 patches in hand and can confirm that the only thing changed in the artwork is the 46. Names are in the same place, it is still not the greatest patch ever, but it is much more balanced. Also, the embroidered patch now has an overlock border. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42984
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-20-2015 08:16 AM
Here is a (low resolution) preview of the new Expedition 46 patch:  |
keith.wilson
Member Posts: 87
From: Callander, Stirling, Scotland
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 01-20-2015 11:25 AM
Looks like a 'Man From UNCLE' id badge! No real thought has been given to this patch — if anything it looks even worse now. As a UK citizen I am disappointed that the first flight by a UK ESA astronaut will be represented by this poor mission patch. |
Panther494
Member Posts: 402
From: London UK
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 01-20-2015 12:06 PM
Oh dear, what a disappointment. I thought the original was very bland and lacked visual impact. I'd hoped a total re-design would take place.This reminds me of the TV show 'The Prisoner' "I'm not a number"... |
carl walker
Member Posts: 360
From: Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 01-21-2015 03:31 PM
Keith, don't be too disappointed, the ESA Principia patches will be ready soon! |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 01-22-2015 06:43 AM
Scott Kelly was wearing the new patch during the State of the Union address. |
SPACEFACTS
Member Posts: 301
From: Germany
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted 01-30-2015 07:48 AM
The new high resolution version is here. |
justin13
Member Posts: 50
From: Richmond, VA, U.S.A.
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 03-03-2015 10:32 PM
I just got one of the new patches, presumably from the same early run as the one seen on Scott Kelly's jacket at the SotU.I don't have access to a scanner at the moment, but one minor change in addition to the obvious font change- the addition of a merrowed edge rather than the cut edge on the original AB patches. |
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