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Topic: AB Emblem's logo pattern space patch backing
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spaceman Member Posts: 1168 From: Walsall, West Midlands, UK Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 07-20-2014 06:11 PM
Looking through some new stock from AB Emblem, I came across this on the reverse of the Apollo program patches.Will they now appear on all new stock? Are others already out there? Will this create a new collecting area for patch collectors? |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1039 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 07-21-2014 01:47 PM
I noticed that two recent ISS Expedition patches that were produced by AB at the end of June of this year, no longer had the 'Made in USA' label with product code on the back - instead, the label was now on the cellophane packaging holding 10 patches each (the coating on the back of the patches was clear though). No idea if this is a trend, with production dates and codes no longer required for individual patches, or just something unique to these particular batches (which were not meant for commercial use). |
Skyforce1 Member Posts: 211 From: Vineland NJ, USA Registered: Aug 2009
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posted 07-23-2014 09:52 AM
I checked with my representative at AB Emblem and the patches will now have the backing that is pictured on this thread. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1039 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 09-05-2014 04:32 PM
Can someone tell me what the backs of the ISS expedition (41 through 46 and the 1-Year) patches now available look like? Any with the new 'Made in USA' pattern? Or just clear with production code/date sticker? |
mama04 Member Posts: 151 From: Haarlem, N-H, Netherlands Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 09-05-2014 11:38 PM
Received all of them yesterday and all backsides are clear with a few having the 'made in USA' stickers. None of them have the new backside coatings. |
Kevin T. Randall Member Posts: 1471 From: Chesham, Bucks UK Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 09-11-2014 02:48 PM
Of the seven ISS Expedition patches I received at the U.S. address I use, only the ISS-43 patch has the new multi coloured 'Made In U.S.A.' and U.S. flags backing. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1039 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 09-11-2014 03:19 PM
The Exp. 43 patches that will be used on the Kentavr 'ceremonial' suits aboard the ISS (although it will of course not be visible to anyone) will have clear backings with embedded 'made in U.S.A.'/217945/111320 labels. I do not know what will be on the three Sokol suits. |
Kevin T. Randall Member Posts: 1471 From: Chesham, Bucks UK Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 09-11-2014 03:37 PM
Three of the ISS Expedition patches I've bought have no embedded white labels on the backs. ISS-41, ISS-42 and ISS-44.The ISS-45, ISS-46, plus the one year patches do have embedded labels on them. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1039 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 09-11-2014 04:12 PM
The Expedition 41, 42 and 46 patches flown aboard ISS on the Kentavr suits have embedded labels. Kentavr flown Expedition 44 and 45 have no labels. I do not know if anyone is interested in details like these, but I could make a full list of labels on the Expedition patches used in space. |
Ronpur Member Posts: 1254 From: Brandon, Fl Registered: May 2012
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posted 09-11-2014 09:59 PM
Well, only my 42 patch has a label. None of the others do. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1039 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 09-13-2014 09:09 AM
Here are the AB Emblem batches that were/are to be used used on the Russian Kentavr ISS on board suits. In most cases, these are from the very first batches that are being produced, so it gives you an indication how the patch in your collection relates to the original patches that were manufactured for use aboard the ISS. The information on the AB Emblem labels consists of the product number, usually folowed by production month/year and country of origin. I believe 20 = USA, 10 is China or Taiwan. Unfortunately, with one or two exceptions, I do not have these data for the Sokol suits, because Zvezda is using a different supply route. |
Kevin T. Randall Member Posts: 1471 From: Chesham, Bucks UK Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 09-13-2014 10:05 AM
A very interesting list Erik, many thanks for that.I have some AB Emblem patches with a 40 after the date (I've not seen a 30 though). The 1 year ISS patch is 235564 08 14 20. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1039 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 09-13-2014 11:32 AM
40 might be Mexico? |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1039 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 09-24-2014 12:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kevin T. Randall: The 1 year ISS patch is 235564 0814 20.
That is also the one that will fly on the onboard Kentavr suits.
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Harald Kraenzel Member Posts: 312 From: Dinslaken,Germany Registered: Nov 2005
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posted 09-26-2014 05:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kevin T. Randall: I have some AB Emblem patches with a 40 after the date (I've not seen a 30 though).
Some days ago I received some Expedition patches from AB and I noticed that one Expedition 46 has a label 235638 6/30.One Expedition 43 has the backing as shown on top in the first post. And some other Expedition patches (39, 41, second 43, 44 and 45) do have no label at all. |
Kevin T. Randall Member Posts: 1471 From: Chesham, Bucks UK Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 06-07-2015 01:36 PM
It seams like AB Emblem are not producing the current batch of ISS Expedition patches with the new backing. I have just acquired ISS-44 dated 03/15 20, and ISS-45 dated 04/15 20 with the old plain backings.It will be interesting to see what backing AB Emblem uses for the revised design of the ISS-46 patch. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1039 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 06-07-2015 03:06 PM
Revised 46 has plain backing. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1039 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 08-10-2015 04:04 PM
Expedition 47 has plain backing. Above list with AB Emblem production numbers updated. |
Kevin T. Randall Member Posts: 1471 From: Chesham, Bucks UK Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 08-11-2015 07:47 AM
It is looking like AB Emblem has abandoned their new logo pattern space patch backing. I've not seen any new ISS Expedition patches with this backing. The last one that I know of was the early ISS Expedition 43 revised crew patches.I have also seen this backing used on some shuttle patches. The 1981-2011 End Of The Space Shuttle Program commemorative patch, along with the STS-78, and STS-42* patches. (These patches were on sale at the KSC Visitor Complex gift shop in their type 6A, cellophane sales packets). If anyone else knows of any other shuttle or ISS patches with this backing on, could they list them here, many thanks. Update: STS-124 and STS-95 patches have also been found from KSC Visitor Complex gift shop. Update: A slightly different version of this multi emblem/flag backing has been used on the STS-42* patch only (the Scout Emblem instead of the U.S. flag), but again these have either sold out or been withdrawn. Update 12-03-15: STS-6 and STS-31 patches have also now been found in type 6A KSC sales packets. Update 12-23-15: STS-106 has just been found in a type 6A KSC sales packet (just one example only). |
Kevin T. Randall Member Posts: 1471 From: Chesham, Bucks UK Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 04-11-2016 02:11 PM
I have now been told by a representative from AB Emblem that this multi coloured flag and emblem backing to NASA patches was purely experimental only. Unfortunately this experiment was unsuccessful, so very few production runs were completed for NASA patches.The only NASA patches that are known with this backing are; - 3" Apollo Program
- ISS-43 (revised crew)
- STS-6 (Some have been found with the light blue and navy blue areas reversed on the front of this patch), see image below.
- STS-8
- STS-31
- STS-42 (mostly with the Scouts emblem error)
- STS-49
- STS-66
- STS-78
- STS-95 (a few with the Scouts emblem error)
- STS-106
- STS-124
- End of the Shuttle Program 1981-2011 (full size 5" version)
All the shuttle patches were either sold in sales packets at the KSC Visitor Complex gift shop, or Shop NASA at JSC in Houston, Texas. The ISS-43 and Apollo Program patches were only sold by AB Emblem direct.If anyone knows of any other NASA patches with this experimental backing on, please could they let us know. Many thanks. Update: I have now been told there are the following NASA patches to add to the list above; - Mercury 4
- Mercury 9 19514 USA 7/14/20 (date code on cellophane packet only)
- Gemini Program
- Gemini 3 15926 USA 9/14 20 (date code on cellophane packet only)
- Gemini 6
- Orion Program (triangular patch)
- NASA SCA The Final Mission, Discovery, Enterprise, Endeavour.
Many thanks for this information Simon.
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Kevin T. Randall Member Posts: 1471 From: Chesham, Bucks UK Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 04-11-2016 04:22 PM
Take a look at the STS-95 patch on the right, it has both the Scouts emblem error to the right hand side, and the correct coloured U.S. flag and emblem at the base (as you look at it). The rest of the patch just has the white base coating on it. (This is the only patch I know of with this error on it.)The STS-95 patch on the left is what it should look like if all is correct. Update 04-13-16: and 04-27-16 and 04-01-18: Another patch has been found with this experimental backing. - 3" Shuttle Program patch (on 04-01-18)
Update February 5th 2020: Another three patches have been found in a type 5 Challenger KSC set of ten souvenir size patch set. Three of the ten patches have the experimental multi coloured backings. Five have embedded labels, and two are without any labels on. The three patches that have the experimental backings are; - STS-51B (Spacelab 3)
- STS-51F (Spacelab 2)
- STS-51L (Teacher in space)
The five that have the embedded labels on are;- STS-6 49521 USA 12/13 20
- STS-7 49589 (Taiwan?) 10/11 10
- STS-41C 52250 USA ??/1320
- STS-41G 54023 USA 1/13/20
- STS-61A 61749 USA 8 13 20
The remaining two without the labels on are;- STS-8 (50815)
- STS-41B (52224)
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Kevin T. Randall Member Posts: 1471 From: Chesham, Bucks UK Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 10-23-2020 01:38 AM
After over six years another (the 25th) one of the AB Emblem NASA patches with the summer 2014 experimental multi coloured backings has come to light. It is the ISS Expedition 41 patch, found by Liem this week.Previously the only Expedition patch to have the multi coloured experimental backing on it, up till now, was the ISS-43 revised crew patch. I've only ever seen two examples of these, they are very rare. Now that the Expedition 41 patch has been found, could this mean the Expedition 42 patch might also exist too? Dose anyone have any others examples different from the 25 known patches found/reported so far? All 25 patches are listed above. |
Liembo Member Posts: 825 From: Bothell, WA Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 10-23-2020 01:54 AM
It was found in a lot of other ISS/Shuttle patches from around the same era from a Facebook seller in Louisiana. |