posted 06-26-2013 03:49 PM            

I agree with Tim and suggest a slightly different motto along the bottom in smaller font of "Preserve, Discuss, Discover".

Also, I feel that visually the logo is unbalanced. It is quite heavy on the right hand side between the shuttle and the "SPACE" font. There is a empty space on the left above "collect".

As a possible solution, I suggest that the ISS be put in place of the shuttle on the orbital track, and that the shuttle be positioned in close formation toward the left to balance the emblem visually. (No shuttle orbital track) As a side benefit, both the shuttle and ISS would be represented.

As an alternate, try keeping the shuttle where it is and place the ISS on the left with no orbital track. This would allude to the shuttle visiting the station.

posted 06-26-2013 06:59 PM            

No, I don't think the emblem should be symmetric. But I do feel it is not balanced.

Personally, my eye stays on the right side and follows the shuttle track down into the "A" is "SPACE". There is nothing guiding my eye to the left. The track of the Apollo capsule dead ends right into the shuttle track. That is why in my mind an element aligned with the Apollo track out to the left in the empty void area could guide the eye into the double l in "collect".

Just one person's subjective opinion though.

posted 06-26-2013 10:41 PM               

1. advertise/promote the site: this requires clarity and simplicity in an eye-catching design. While adding .com is more technically accurate, it is becoming as superfluous as the now-unnecessary 'www' prefix - anyone already familiar with collectSPACE would see the patch and recognize a fellow; anyone unfamiliar BUT interested given the design would just Google the word.

   With this in mind, I'd pick N (with G as backup). It's attractive, versatile, and choice N would make a great enamel pin or sticker as well as a patch. And while the Shuttle is no longer flying, it's silhouette is by far the most well known to the public worldwide, particularly with them being now on display...

   Put me down for 2 patches, 2 enamel pins, 10 decals, 2 T-shirts, perhaps a hat...

2. Recognize fellow members - Shoulder patch G

3. fundraising/publicity/giveaways-contest prizes (hint hint) Up for grabs.

posted 07-02-2013 05:07 AM               

Two points. First, I too thought this was settled. And second, I don't like the addition of either the ISS or the text. I thought it was good the way it was. The addition now makes it too busy. Now there's too much going on. And this is the risk you take in trying to represent too much.

If you add the ISS (which I thought was represented quite well with the shuttle), why not Gemini and Mercury? I appreciate that the ISS is new (historically speaking) and that there are those that have an interest in it over the "old" programs. But what about those of us that have an interest in Gemini, Mercury and Apollo? (You can argue that all 3 are represented with the CSM. But if that's the case, why the specific representation of the shuttle AND the ISS?) So if you add them too to appease us old-timers, where do you stop?

The way it was had a simple, yet elegant design and represented everything. Leave it alone. It was great the way it was.

posted 07-02-2013 08:08 AM               

I suggest that at this point it might be worth Robert proposing a simple run-off vote between the two most popular options, which I believe to be (m) with generic pointers and (n) with Shuttle et al silhouettes.

posted 07-02-2013 12:30 PM            

1. I presume this thread is still open since Robert hasn't looped back around called the book closed.

2. I feel a picture is worth a thousand words.

3. My personal interpretation on the emblem is "Past, Present and Future". Apollo represents the Past and the culmination of the prior NACA/NASA programs. Mars represents the Future. Not to rehash it, but what represents the Present? The ISS, which could be thought of a culmination of Skylab and STS. However, a lot of us recognize the Shuttle was a jack of all trades, Robert said he wants the Shuttle, and I already stated what I was trying to do visually right or wrong with my untrained eye.

posted 07-03-2013 06:02 AM               

I take Robert's point about wanting the patch to convey the space history focus of this site, while also symbolizing the history of cS.

cS is an American organisation and so has every right to give the patch an American human spaceflight slant (Apollo, Shuttle).
However, lots of cS members focus on non-US aspects of spaceflight and also unmanned spaceflight and design N in my view doesn't cater for them.

posted 07-03-2013 07:04 AM            

Design "n"...either as it stands or with the shuttle docked to ISS floats my boat.

posted 07-03-2013 08:08 AM               

Let's light this candle!

posted 07-03-2013 03:01 PM               

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Originally posted by xlsteve:
Let's light this candle!

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posted 07-03-2013 03:23 PM               

It shows all aspects in a more general way compared to N which is directly related to specific spacecrafts although for example the shuttle represents a lot of countries and projects. But there have been many comments on having other specific spacecraft added. The icons in M represent all in a clear and simple symbol.

posted 07-03-2013 04:29 PM               

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Originally posted by Gonzo:
We can't go on forever on this. Sooner or later it's going to have to end. Everyone likes "N". So let's accept it...

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posted 07-03-2013 06:31 PM               

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Originally posted by mode1charlie:
Also, since he's the head honcho here, Robert gets a bigger say, and he seems to prefer N as well.

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It's true though, I like "N" for the reasons already given. That said, there have been some good arguments put forth for the inclusion of the International Space Station — both online and offline.

Today, a cS member mocked up this idea as a compromise:

I'm still not 100 percent sold on including the ISS, but if we were, then this comes closer to a solution to do so. I'd want the ISS to be better rendered, and the orbital track to extend to and beyond the shuttle.

posted 07-03-2013 07:25 PM               

On a more general note, since this seems to be headed toward an M vs. N showdown...my preference for the latter is because its "mission" is clearer. I understand that M supporters like the less specific (or more inclusive, if you prefer) pointer icons, but to me it's just too broad. Take away the "collectSPACE", and it could be a corporate logo...maybe a space-tourism startup.

The N design attractively represents both the site's mission and its origins. What more could we reasonably want in 4" of embroidery?

posted 07-04-2013 02:11 AM               

I like it. It's a good compromise. Since it seems to be down to M, N, and O, here are my 2 cents. I do think it's important to have: A. Recognizably iconic spacecraft (thus eliminating M); B. linking past, present, and future (arguing for N or O); C. Acknowledging the international component (which O fits better than N, although as I pointed out already, Shuttle was international); and D. Making a clear statement about the current, active space program (winner O, hands down).

O ticks all the main boxes except Russia's contributions (and no let's not go there!). I like the color echo between Mars and the ISS solar arrays - nice touch, and adds something.

I didn't think it was possible to include ISS without it cluttering the aesthetic; this new design proves me wrong, with one caveat: I agree with Robert that it could still use some tweaks (more defined and yet still stylized representation of the ISS) and giving the Shuttle back its orbital tracks. If these can be done without cluttering, then I vote O. if not, I could definitely live with N (it's still pretty great).

posted 07-04-2013 03:37 AM            

On reflection, a tweeked ISS may be a little too fussy visually. It is evident what it is in its present form, it is simple and stylistic so I would have no issues personally if "O" went to press as it stands.

posted 07-04-2013 01:23 PM               

Okay, no tattoo, but how 'bout a t-shirt, or denim collared shirt or polo?