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Topic: ISS Expedition 9 insignia
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hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 03-17-2004 12:11 PM
   
 What is YOUR first reaction? Erik & Jacques |
lucspace
Member Posts: 403
From: Hilversum, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 03-17-2004 12:56 PM
''Less is more'', someone once said... a bit too much to my taste. Good luck to AB embroidering this headache. |
DavidH
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From: Huntsville, AL, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted 03-17-2004 01:08 PM
So, has anybody seen an explanation of what all's going on in this thing?The Station at the top speaks for itself, but why was the Shuttle included, since it won't fly during Exp. 9? I assume the significance of the Moon and Mars refer to the exploration initiative, but what are the two stars above them? Given the presence of the one six-pointed star, I assume that the stars on/near the Eagle represent those lost in space exploration tragedies, but is that true of all the stars, or do some represent something else? ------------------
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Glint
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From: New Windsor, Maryland USA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 03-17-2004 02:05 PM
There are nine yellow stars on the eagle's left wing separated by a blue six-pointed star. There are seven yellow stars on the right wing.I would guess that the seven on the right are for Challenger, the six plus blue are for Columbia, and the three are for Apollo 1. Five red stars around the eagle's neck. Could they be for cosmonauts killed during flight? More obscure are the green, white, and orange feathers on the tip of the eagle's left wing. As for the two stars, might one of them be Eros? |
sts205cdr
Member Posts: 649
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 03-17-2004 02:14 PM
I just noticed that the Soyuz booster and the large "X" represent the Roman numeral 9. That's about the only thing I like about the design...--John
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Rodina
Member Posts: 836
From: Lafayette, CA
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 03-17-2004 11:21 PM
That one's way, way too busy. |
Cougar20
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Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 03-18-2004 12:46 AM
Has anyone else noticed the numerous references to both Russia and America? The top of the X's is the most noticeable, but stripe around the scroll starts as an American flag and ends as a Russian flag. And the Soyuz rocket and space shuttle as well? I guess these guys haven't heard of overkill. |
DavidH
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From: Huntsville, AL, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted 03-18-2004 10:35 AM
The dual flag colors are hardly exceptional for an Expedition patch.And, as Sigmund Freud would say, sometimes a Soyuz is just a Soyuz (and part of a roman numberal 9) ------------------
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sts205cdr
Member Posts: 649
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 03-18-2004 11:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Glint:
...More obscure are the green, white, and orange feathers on the tip of the eagle's left wing...
I interpret that as representative of the flag of India, birthplace of Kalpana Chawla, although the colors are upside-down. --John |
Hart Sastrowardoyo
Member Posts: 3445
From: Toms River, NJ
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 03-18-2004 03:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sts205cdr:
I interpret that as representative of the flag of India, birthplace of Kalpana Chawla, although the colors are upside-down.
Of course, there is no up or down in space.... [duck, grin] |
DavidH
Member Posts: 1217
From: Huntsville, AL, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted 03-18-2004 03:22 PM
That would make sense. Indian colors for Chawla, two blue stripes for Ramon, yellow stripes (though I don't know why) for American astronauts, and red stripes on red stars for Komarov; Dobrovolsky, Volkov, and Patsayev; and Bondarenko (presumably?). ------------------
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Robert Pearlman
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From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-19-2004 07:00 AM
NASA has posted the following description of the emblem to their website: This emblem represents the Ninth Expedition to the International Space Station. Expedition 9 Commander Gennady Padalka and Flight Engineer Mike Fincke are set to rocket toward the station in April, along with European Space Agency Astronaut Andre Kuipers. At the heart of the image is the Roman numeral IX, created by the Soyuz rocket and the letter "X," which evokes the spirit of exploration at the heart of the U.S.-Russian space partnership. Research aboard the ISS is the first step toward human exploration of the moon, Mars and beyond -- seen between the rocket and the "X." Flying across the emblem is an eagle representing the spirit of Human Space Flight, with stars on its wings honoring the astronauts and cosmonauts who gave their lives in this valiant endeavour. The astronaut symbol is flanked by the Expedition 9 crew names leaning together, with a stylized "9" as the plume of their rocket. The eagle carries the baton of discovery, passing it to the crew of the spaceship advancing to their orbital outpost. |
Glint
Member Posts: 1040
From: New Windsor, Maryland USA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 03-19-2004 10:19 AM
I notice that the U.S. flag has the usual 13 bars but only seven stars. The latter are being lifted skyward on the eagle's wing.Granted, 50 stars would have really made things busy, but why just seven stars? |
sts205cdr
Member Posts: 649
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 03-19-2004 12:22 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Glint:
...Granted, 50 stars would have really made things busy, but why just seven stars?
Maybe they represent the RTF 114 crew. The real question is, do they still have time to come to their senses? --John |
RMH
Member Posts: 577
From: Ohio
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 03-19-2004 07:09 PM
For a two person crew they sure have alot to symbolize in their emblem. |
Tom
Member Posts: 1597
From: New York
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-20-2004 11:28 AM
I like it. It kind of reminds me of the "busy" Apollo 10 crew patch. |
icarkie
Member Posts: 618
From: BURTON ON TRENT /England
Registered: Nov 2002
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posted 03-20-2004 01:20 PM
I like it also, there is a lot to take in and will be interesting to see what it looks like when it's finished as a sew on.I can understand the meaning of the design (with the stars, the Soyuz and the X, etc.) but like what David said, why is the shuttle included? Ian |
Cougar20
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Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 03-21-2004 11:04 PM
I just thought of something and I was just wondering if anyone else had thought of this. In 50 years, what patches from this time in space history will be remembered if any? STS-107 is a given and possibly even STS-114. But this patch has so much going on in it and so many people have varied opinions, I would dare to say that this patch will be remembered for a very long time, both as an eyesore and a revolutionary design. |
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