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Topic: SFX Models replica Grumman LEM models
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Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 47655 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-10-2019 10:46 PM
SFX Models has produced a replica of the Grumman Lunar Module contractor's model with a walnut (£600; available now) or perspex (£550; coming soon) base. Main body of the ascent and descent stages are separate moldings. The "white" colour is a perfect match to the originals when they were first manufactured. Ascent and descent stages are removable from the base.Brass soldered components; Brass soldered legs and feet, Brass etched egress platform with brass handrail, Brass etched ladder detail with soldered rungs. Accurately reproduced decals with clear backing film detail. Soldered brass wire ariels and cast dishes. The radar and S-Band dishes look exactly the same as the originals but are strengthened to minimise breakages.
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Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4420 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 07-11-2019 03:12 AM
Wow. Very impressive. Just enough difference to tell them from the originals... but not I suspect to the untrained eye. Tempting! |
David C Member Posts: 1310 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 07-11-2019 11:30 AM
I can see a few differences, but I put most of them down to the aged condition of vintage examples.Overall this appears to be excellent, I'm very tempted. Wish they also produced the original style perspex base. |
Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4420 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 07-11-2019 06:15 PM
The perspex base in the images above appears to be a period/vintage base. Personally, I would prefer to see the models on the all new reproduction bases. This would give a better feel for the quality of the finish in my opinion. |
sfxmodels New Member Posts: 4 From: uk Registered: Jul 2019
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posted 08-03-2019 04:29 PM
I am working on the perspex base and it will be available as soon as I can get it exactly right! The one in the picture is my first attempt but there are a few issues to sort out before I'm completely happy (so I darkened the photo so the fault couldn't be seen!). As well as the complete model, I can also make spares for the original models that need a bit of TLC. Take a look at my website for further info. |
Philip Member Posts: 6116 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 08-05-2019 01:05 PM
Superb job and welcome on the collectSPACE forum! |
Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4420 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 09-03-2019 07:35 AM
I was wondering whether any members had ordered models from SFX and if so, what they thought of the finished product?For my part I ordered one of the VIP walnut bases and found the whole experience excellent. Communication with Robert was easy, quick and painless. So too was the packing and postal tracking. The quality of the base and the attention to detail is superb and I plan on placing further orders in the near future. My only gripe: the package took quite a bit of time to arrive but that was not of Robert's doing. It seemed to go awol for 7 days between leaving Italy and showing up in the UK. Robert has some ecxciting plans for further LM variants so keep an eye on his website for updates. |
David C Member Posts: 1310 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 09-03-2019 10:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn: I was wondering whether any members had ordered models from SFX and if so, what they thought of the finished product?
I also went for the walnut base and have been very impressed with both the model and base. My only gripe was the interior packaging. Although reasonably effective it all seemed a bit amateur, particularly the towels. Repacking was a bit messy. I'm trying to find an elegant tranparent protective case, something cylindrical perhaps rather than just an acrylic cube. I really don't want to have to dust those aerials. |
Rocketman! Member Posts: 126 From: Redmond, Washington, USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted 09-03-2019 01:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn: Just enough difference to tell them from the originals...
Can someone point out how to differentiate these excellent replica models from mint or restored authentic originals? The RSC thruster nozzles appear to have a slightly different shape than the vintage model on my shelf. Are there other distinctions? |
Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4420 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 09-03-2019 03:34 PM
I have not ordered one of the LMs from SFX so am guided by the pictures only.The RCS thruster shape is a tell tale sign. And the moulded rendezvous dish is not as detailed as the originals i.e. the supporting pin appears to go through the shaft of the dish while the originals have a moulded cross member though which the dish is fixed. The bevel on the walnut base appears broader than the originals but even they vary slightly from one to the next. I'm guessing the vip walnut bases were not mass produced and finished by hand so variations are inevitable. The originals I believe also had small green felt pads on the underside while SFX have gone with a complete green felt underside. The original walnut bases usually have a darker tan colour finish and appear a tad shinier too. But Robert has explained the reasons for not staining HIS bases and the resulting evident grain makes for a nice display. The etched brass plaque on the SFX walnut bases is superb: I have an original and the two are almost indistinguishable. The rendezvous window of Robert's model appears black while the originals are blue green. And the main windows on the SFX models are I think decals: the originals I believe were painted: I've never seen original "New Old Stock" Precise windows in decal form. The docking target on the SFX appears fractionally bigger and finer too. These are subtle anomalies and for all I know, may have been intentional to differentiate the new models from the originals. When all is said and done, SFX is to be applauded for the job they have done. |
Rocketman! Member Posts: 126 From: Redmond, Washington, USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted 09-04-2019 08:34 PM
Thanks for your keen-eyed descriptions, Rick. My main motivation for asking is with regards to how collectors of period models can be certain that what they are buying is authentic vs. a spot-on replica. I think we would all like to see some clear mark or telltale that would make the replicas unmistakable as such. Same would apply for replacement parts. Unfortunately, I don’t think we can rely upon the pure honesty of every seller. Even if we could, over time the provenance of replica models could be lost to time and perhaps innocently passed off as "believed to be" vintage. |
sfxmodels New Member Posts: 4 From: uk Registered: Jul 2019
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posted 09-11-2019 06:21 AM
Just to keep you up to date...Perspex bases are now available. Please take a look on sfxmodels.com. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 47655 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 09-12-2019 10:32 AM
SFX Models has now made a replica of the 1962 Lunar Excursion Module (£460). This model is based on the Lunar Excursion Module models displayed in various space museums in the United States and is in the style of other Contractors Models available during the 1960's.
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dsenechal Member Posts: 562 From: Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 12-17-2019 01:39 PM
SFX Models has begun producing replicas of the early "contractor" lunar module models. They have produced not only the relatively common late-60's Precise version, but also the 1962 "Proposed Lunar Excursion Module." There are subtle differences to prevent them from being passed off as originals, but otherwise they are very faithful replicas of these great old models. And, just yesterday, they even released a replica of the wood and paperclip LEM model that was pictured in the March 1969 Life Magazine. I received my 1962 version a couple of weeks ago, and other than some shipping issues, it is a jewel. Highly recommended! Editor's note: Threads merged. |
goose77 Member Posts: 70 From: Marion, Iowa Registered: Jul 2019
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posted 12-17-2019 04:14 PM
The wood and paperclip model adorned with a Santa cap is adorable! Really tempted to order one. |
dsenechal Member Posts: 562 From: Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 12-17-2019 07:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn: IThe RCS thruster shape is a tell tale sign.
There were two different versions of the RCS thrusters on the original 1966 LM models. The first versions were actually individually machined out of brass. The shape of these early brass thrusters is very similar to the shape of the SFX thrusters. The later Precise thrusters were of the more common conical shape and were injection molded plastic. |
davidcwagner Member Posts: 915 From: Albuquerque, New Mexico Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 12-17-2019 08:05 PM
I have an original almost mint LM model on a faded walnut base. Should I leave as is, refinish or replace with the new SFX walnut base? |
dsenechal Member Posts: 562 From: Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 12-17-2019 08:11 PM
How badly is it faded? Some of the original wooden bases were actual mahogany, which is lighter than walnut. |
Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4420 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 12-18-2019 04:19 AM
Personally I would stick with the original wooden base. Maybe give it a lick of bees wax and a good buffing. I have a suspicion some of the wooden bases were finished with a coloured varnish or stain. |
Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4420 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 02-08-2020 02:24 PM
I've not heard much from fellow members regarding the new SFX models-LM replicas. I'm guessing there must be a good number who have bought one or more of the LM variants because I know the maker is very busy.For what it's worth, I took delivery today of a 1962 LM replica. To be precise this was the second time I had taken delivery but on the first occasion damage in transit landed me with a box of scrap parts and smashed polystyrene. But Robert (SFX Robert) was very good about it and has replaced the damaged article with no fuss whatsoever. He has beefed up the packaging too, so despite several hits and evidence of crushing to the box the model arrived in great shape. When displayed alongside a classic Precise LM it does tend to accentuate the discolouration of the period piece: when viewed on its own the original looks pretty white. If anybody is hovering and havering over whether or not to buy one don't worry. The workmanship is excellent and I have no hesitation in recommending SFX models. And for the purists amongst us, SFX places a discreet logo on to each model and the perspex base to distinguish them from the originals. |
RocketmanRob Member Posts: 286 From: New York City USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 08-12-2020 09:06 PM
Just wanted to add onto Rick's feedback on the SFX 1962 model. I ordered one as well, received it a few weeks ago and am amazed with the craftsmanship on this. I purchased the 1962 model as I had an actual contractors model from the post moon landing period. Having seen the quality of work on the model I received from SFX, I now want a pristine version of the moon landing version and will be ordering one as well! If you are on the fence about these all I can say is that the workmanship is fantastic and they are beautiful. |
David C Member Posts: 1310 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 08-13-2020 03:41 AM
Just to be clear Rob, they're not "pristine." The originals weren't perfect either, and had varying levels of defects. I think the phrase that Robert used to describe his replicas was something like "how they would have rolled out of Precise on a good day."Rick, if there is a logo on my 1966 model it must be a microdot! I am trying very hard to resist that 1962 version. |
RocketmanRob Member Posts: 286 From: New York City USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 08-13-2020 10:57 AM
David, fair point on my "pristine" comment. I should have said a version that was much more out of the factory looking than the yellowed with cracked decals version that I have! |
Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4420 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 08-13-2020 07:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by David C: Rick, if there is a logo on my 1966 model it must be a microdot!
David, on the 1962 LM, the SFX logo is stamped in to the back of the large radar dish. I can't recall where the logo is on the base but I recall being surprised to see it twice on the one model. Can't speak for the classic LM. |
davidcwagner Member Posts: 915 From: Albuquerque, New Mexico Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 08-14-2020 12:15 AM
Bit the bullet and ordered one of the 1962 models. I have five of the Precise models ranging from poor to pristine. One of the pristine has the wooden base, which is in fair shape. Decided not to have it refinished. |
David C Member Posts: 1310 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 08-15-2020 01:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn: I can't recall where the logo is on the base but I recall being surprised to see it twice on the one model.
Thanks Rick. I've looked again, and on the wooden base. I'm not saying there isn't one somewhere, but if there is they've take discreet to a new level. Or maybe they just weren't on the first production examples. |
sfxmodels New Member Posts: 4 From: uk Registered: Jul 2019
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posted 08-16-2020 12:58 PM
Here are pictures of my latest products:The Grumman LM-1 is a replica of an original model displayed in the Cradle of Aviation Museum, Long Island, New York. It is displayed in a showcase along with many other original Grumman prototypes from the same era.This is a replica of the 1963 LEM Prototype model displayed in the Cradle of Aviation Museum, Long Island, NY. It is produced as a "Neatened up" version of the original that I hope, still retains all the character of the original.
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davidcwagner Member Posts: 915 From: Albuquerque, New Mexico Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 10-05-2020 10:39 AM
Just got the SFX 1962 LEM model. Quality is excellent. Highly recommend adding this model to your collection. |
dsenechal Member Posts: 562 From: Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 10-09-2020 11:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by David C: ...but if there is they’ve take discreet to a new level.
Check the bottom of the ascent stage equipment bay. You'll find the sfx logo there. Not sure if there's one on the descent stage, though. |
David C Member Posts: 1310 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 10-10-2020 10:15 AM
There isn’t on mine. I did order it shortly after they were announced, so it must have been one of the first produced. Maybe they added the logos later. |
Retro Rocket Member Posts: 461 From: Santa Paula, Ca,. USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted 11-13-2020 06:37 PM
It looks like the current Heritage auction has one of the SFX models. The description is accurate but there is nothing that says this is a new model. I might be wrong about this being a SFX model, if so my apologies.This was a concern I had when I was going to do a limited run of lunar modules using original parts from Precise Models. One of the reasons I didn't do it was I didn't want my model sold as an original. My plan was to mark the model clearly on the bottom of each stage with my logo. In the end, I decided just to do original models and restorations. The SFX models are fantastic and in my opinion way underpriced, but right now the model at auction is at $1300. What if it sells for $5000? For lunar module models at high-end auctions this isn't uncommon. If the buyer finds out these can currently be bought for around $700 what effect will that have on the collector's market? |
thisismills Member Posts: 462 From: Michigan Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-13-2020 06:57 PM
One of the Heritage photos clearly shows the SFX web address on the base at least. Yes, the description should make mention when it is a reproduction and who made it where applicable for the most accurate listing.In general, some buyers will be unaware of the current availability of a given item, as it takes time and research to understand what you are collecting. It is far too easy to just rely on the auction house's descriptions and their reputation. The past few years, during Apollo 50th anniversary celebrations especially, we saw readily available living astronaut signed photos go for many multiples (10x+) what you could get from a current or future signing. The auction house isn't likely to direct their clients to a cheaper alternative. Sometimes it is as simple as: people don't know what they don't know. I'm guessing may of those buyers are blissfully unaware of what could be had elsewhere. They were happy to pay for the items and had the funds to do it. |
Retro Rocket Member Posts: 461 From: Santa Paula, Ca,. USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted 11-13-2020 07:11 PM
Again, I think the SFX models are great and in a few years they will be bringing in higher value then what they sell for now.It should be listed as a SFX model in the header. Then it's up to the buyer to do their research. I wouldn't say the logo is clearly seen, I didn't see it even after downloading the images and looking at them. |
thisismills Member Posts: 462 From: Michigan Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-13-2020 07:16 PM
I agree, and am glad you brought this up for all those that read cS. I think Heritage should be good enough to update their description, didn't mean to imply to let them off the hook.These posts are the main reason why I come here daily to learn. I am not fortunate enough to have a large budget for collecting, so I make up for that in time spent researching and zooming way-in on photos before I purchase anything. |
David C Member Posts: 1310 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 11-13-2020 07:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by thisismills: One of the Heritage photos clearly shows the SFX web address on the base at least.
How much clearer does it really have to be? Web address, clearly not from the 1960s. They could even try going to the website. I don't think you actually have to hold people's hands. |
Lunar Rover Member Posts: 21 From: Kelsey, Ca., USA Registered: Sep 2012
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posted 12-03-2020 10:46 PM
Some of you may remember me from the old days and as the writer about restoring Grumman LM contractor models. Since then, I've continued to do this work as a fun and rewarding hobby.It was during a recent restoration project that my client put me in touch with Robert Jones of SFX. My client had ordered a replicated S Band antenna, and when it arrived from SFX, there were clearly issues with accuracy and color. A three way discussion ensued; I sent a number of scaled scans to SFX, and Robert seemingly completely changed his part to a replica that is now virtually indistinguishable from NOS examples in my parts bin. SFX's standards are now so high that if I'm restoring a model for a client who is ok with replicated parts, Robert is my go to guy. The workmanship and accuracy coming out of his shop is excellent, superb. With the S Band he even got the color spot on to the original now. I've been restoring models now for 25 or 30 years, many for people here at collectSPACE, Examples of my work are in private collections throughout North America and Europe. It's truly a privilege to work on such historical artifacts and my quest for accuracy to original builds and colors is pretty absolute. If anyone reading this thread needs a part or two for a model in their collection, SFX is the place "Dr. Lem" goes to get his part now, for whatever that's worth. Highly recommended folks to do business with. |
Retro Rocket Member Posts: 461 From: Santa Paula, Ca,. USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted 12-04-2020 05:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by Retro Rocket: It looks like the current Heritage auction has one of the SFX models.
The model I was talking about sold for $4250! I think I should buy a few SFX models and put them in the auctions. This is what my concern was. If the buyer finds out he paid that much for something that is a replica but was not clearly advertised as a replica this can have repercussions in the collectors market. And the buyer wasn't the only person, at least two had to bid it that high. |
David C Member Posts: 1310 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 12-05-2020 01:07 PM
Whilst maintaining that if you looked at the pictures properly, it was clear what the object was - I have to agree that this was a very misleading listing. No way it would have gone for that amount if listed honestly. I suspect Heritage may be right on the legal edge there.Still, as ever, caveat emptor. |
Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4420 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 12-17-2020 01:24 PM
If memory serves me right, there was a classic 1967 model for sale in the November 2020 Heritage auction as well. If I recall correctly that too was an SFX replica that was listed as a "reproduction." The auction house was remiss with its listing of the earlier prototype model.For the record, I recently took the plunge and bought a classic LM SFX replica and I'm here to tell you it was well worth the money. Sure, a period correct original is preferable but 99% of those that crop up need work, often a lot of work. And Mark Johnson at Precise models can provide the majority of missing or broken pieces with period correct new old stock. But when you allow for time, materials and NOS parts you can be looking at high hundreds of dollars to create a quality refurbishment. That puts $600 for this particular SFX reproduction at pretty good value in my opinion. (For the record, SFX can provide replacement parts too including accurate landing gear, antenna and such that Mark at Precise is unable to provide at this time.) I could be trite and point out issues with the SFX LM: the descent stage stars and stripes appears a little more translucent than the period pieces, the RCS engines have a tad more shape and the "Penn state" green on the steerable antenna is a smidge off in my opinion, but then it might just be the lighting: it's that close! But as I mentioned to Robert Jones, to do so would be like a lottery winner bitching that his £9.99 million win was not £10 million. The issues could be classified as mere observations that do not in my opinion diminish the finished piece. The workmanship from SFX is outstanding. The new model has a weight to it that is lacking in the originals. Certainly the model that I bought is what the original Precise examples aspired to be. There is none of the overspray on the black window surround (and on occasion the descent stage) for example that is all too common on originals. At the same time the SFX still retains a few "foibles" indicative of a hand finished model, in so doing capturing some of the character associated with its period counterparts. For the record, the two images included on this post were taken with SFX replica walnut bases. The brass plaques are indistinguishable from period originals. The earlier "rung" ladder model is the SFX piece: the "stamped" ladder dates to the early 70s. I should point out that Robert goes to extraordinary lengths with the packaging to protect the finished model during shipping. That did not prevent the landing radar on the descent stage from sheering off during its journey. But within a week Robert sent me a replacement part that was easily swopped out. In conclusion as someone who owns several original Precise LMs and who has seen possibly hundreds on line over the years the SFX LMs are to be recommended highly. |
sfxmodels New Member Posts: 4 From: uk Registered: Jul 2019
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posted 02-10-2021 04:41 PM
New from SFX Models... 1964 Grumman Lunar Excursion Module PrototypeThe 1964 Grumman Lunar Excursion Module Prototype is a replica of an original model displayed in the Cradle of Aviation Museum, Long Island, New York. It is the largest model in the "Evolution of the Grumman LEM" display case. SFX Models has made a faithful but neatened up replica to continue the Grumman LEM range in the belief that, like the others, it's modelled at 1:40th scale. The main components of the model are molded resin while the landing gear is fabricated from brass tube with turned brass footpads and locating pins, all soldered together. The model is finished with sprayed acrylic paints. The ascent/descent stages can be separated and are located in position with stainless steel dowels and internal magnets. The LEM can be removed from the Perspex base. The polished Perspex base is printed with NASA and Grumman logos and has green baize on the underside. Brass pins on the bottom of the foot pads locate the model on this base Model height is 222mm (8 3/4 inches) and the Perspex base diameter is 360mm (14 1/8 inches). |