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LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-17-2020 07:36 PM Many of you are probably familiar with the Apollo Suit Serial Numbers table in the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal. I have listed those numbers in sequence and, as you can see, there are some gaps in the numbers. Can you add to the list? What were the suit numbers for the Skylab crews? 004 - Schirra: Apollo 7 flight suit 005 - Eisele: Apollo 7 flight suit 006 - Cunningham: Apollo 7 flight suit 007 - Stafford: Apollo 7 backup crew primary suit 008 - Young: Apollo 7 backup crew primary suit 009 - Cernan: Apollo 7 backup crew primary suit 010 - Schirra: Apollo 7 backup suit 011 - Eisele: Apollo 7 backup suit and Apollo 10 backup crew primary suit 012 - Cunningham: Apollo 7 backup suit 013 - Scott: Apollo 9 backup suit 014 - McDivitt: Apollo 9 backup suit 015 - Schweickart: Apollo 9 flight suit + Engle: Apollo 14 backup crew training suit 016 - Conrad: Apollo 9 backup crew primary suit 017 - Gordon: Apollo 9 backup crew primary suit 018 - Bean: Apollo 9 backup crew primary suit 019 - Scott: Apollo 9 flight suit 020 - McDivitt: Apollo 9 flight suit 021 - Schweickart: Apollo 9 backup suit + Duke: Apollo 13 backup crew training suit 026 - Collins: Apollo 11 training suit 029 - Borman: Apollo 8 backup suit 030 - Borman: Apollo 8 flight suit 031 - Anders: Apollo 8 flight suit 032 - Anders: Apollo 8 backup suit 033 - Collins: Apollo 11 flight suit 034 - Collins: Apollo 11 backup suit 035 - Armstrong: Apollo 8 backup crew primary suit and Apollo 11 training suit 036 - Aldrin: Apollo 8 backup crew primary suit and Apollo 11 training suit 037 - Lovell: Apollo 8 flight suit 042 - Stafford: Apollo 10 backup suit 043 - Young: Apollo 10 flight suit 044 - Cernan: Apollo 10 flight suit 045 - Cooper: Apollo 10 backup crew primary suit 046 - Mitchell: Apollo 10 backup crew primary suit and Apollo 14 backup suit 047 - Stafford: Apollo 10 flight suit 048 - Young: Apollo 10 backup suit 049 - Cernan: Apollo 10 backup suit 051 - Haise: Apollo 8 backup crew primary suit 052 - Lovell: Apollo 8 backup suit 054 - Anders: Apollo 11 backup crew primary suit 055 - Lovell: Apollo 8 training suit + Brand: Apollo 15 backup crew training suit 056 - Armstrong: Apollo 11 flight suit 057 - Armstrong: Apollo 11 backup suit 058 - Worden: Apollo 15 training suit 059 - Gordon: Apollo 12 backup suit + Mattingly: Apollo 13 primary suit and Apollo 16 training suit 060 - Haise: Apollo 11 backup crew primary suit and Apollo 13 backup suit 061 - Haise: Apollo 13 flight suit 062 - Duke: Apollo 13 backup crew primary suit 063 - Scott: Apollo 12 backup crew primary suit 064 - Engle: Apollo 14 backup crew primary suit + Evans: Apollo 17 training suit 065 - Conrad: Apollo 12 flight suit 066 - Gordon: Apollo 12 flight suit 067 - Bean: Apollo 12 flight suit 068 - Conrad: Apollo 12 backup suit 070 - Bean: Apollo 12 backup suit 071 - Cooper: Apollo 10 backup crew training suit 072 - Mattingly: Apollo 16 backup suit 073 - Mitchell: Apollo 14 flight suit 074 - Lovell: Apollo 11 backup crew primary suit and Apollo 13 backup suit 076 - Aldrin: Apollo 11 backup suit + Schmitt: Apollo 15 backup crew training suit 077 - Aldrin: Apollo 11 flight suit 078 - Lovell: Apollo 13 flight suit 080 - Irwin: Apollo 12 backup crew primary suit 081 - Worden: Apollo 12 backup crew primary suit and Apollo 15 backup suit 082 - Mattingly: Apollo 16 flight suit 084 - Shepard: Apollo 14 backup suit 085 - Roosa: Apollo 14 flight suit and Apollo 16 & 17 backup crew training suit 086 - Young: Apollo 13 backup crew primary suit 087 - Cernan: Apollo 14 backup crew primary suit 088 - Swigert: Apollo 13 flight suit 090 - Shepard: Apollo 14 flight suit 091 - Roosa: Apollo 14 backup suit 092 - Evans: Apollo 14 backup crew primary suit 094 - Worden: Apollo 15 flight suit 096 - Brand: Apollo 15 backup crew primary suit 303 - Young: Apollo 16 training suit and Apollo 17 backup crew training suit 304 - Duke: Apollo 16 training suit and Apollo 17 backup crew training suit 305 - Haise: Apollo 16 backup crew training suit 309 - Gibson: Skylab 4 training suit 310 - Conrad: Skylab 2 training suit 311 - Scott: Apollo 15 training suit 312 - Irwin: Apollo 15 training suit 313 - Gordon: Apollo 15 backup crew training suit 314 - Schmitt: Apollo 17 training suit 315 - Scott: Apollo 15 flight suit + Cernan: Apollo 17 training suit 316 - Irwin: Apollo 15 backup suit 317 - Gordon: Apollo 15 backup crew primary suit 318 - Schmitt: Apollo 15 backup crew primary suit and Apollo 17 backup suit 319 - Scott: Apollo 15 backup suit 320 - Irwin: Apollo 15 flight suit 321 - Mitchell: Apollo 16 backup crew training suit 322 - Young: Apollo 16 flight suit 323 - Duke: Apollo 16 backup suit and Apollo 17 backup crew primary suit 324 - Haise: Apollo 16 backup crew primary suit 325 - Mitchell: Apollo 16 backup crew primary suit 326 - Young: Apollo 16 backup suit and Apollo 17 backup crew primary suit 327 - Duke: Apollo 16 flight suit 328 - Cernan: Apollo 17 flight suit 329 - Schmitt: Apollo 17 flight suit 330 - Cernan: Apollo 17 backup suit 401 - Roosa: Apollo 16 and Apollo 17 backup crew primary suit 402 - Evans: Apollo 17 backup suit 403 - Brand: ASTP training suit 404 - Evans: Apollo 17 flight suit 602 - Conrad: Skylab 2 backup suit 603 - Kerwin: Skylab 2 training suit 604 - Weitz: Skylab 2 training suit 605 - Schweickart: Skylab 2 backup crew primary suit 606 - Musgrave: Skylab 2 backup crew primary suit 607 - McCandless: Skylab 2 backup crew training suit 608 - Bean: Skylab 3 training suit 609 - Garriott: Skylab 3 training suit 610 - Lousma: Skylab 3 training suit 611 - Brand: Skylab 4 backup crew primary suit and Skylab Rescue backup suit 612 - Lenoir: Skylab 3 and Skylab 4 backup crew training suit 613 - Lind: Skylab 3 and Skylab 4 backup crew training suit and Skylab Rescue flight suit 614 - Conrad: Skylab 2 flight suit 615 - Kerwin: Skylab 2 flight suit 616 - Weitz: Skylab 2 backup suit 617 - Weitz: Skylab 2 flight suit 618 - McCandless: Skylab 2 backup crew primary suit 620 - Bean: Skylab 3 backup suit 621 - Garriott: Skylab 3 backup suit 622 - Lousma: Skylab 3 backup suit 623 - Brand: Skylab Rescue flight suit 624 - Lenoir: Skylab 3 and Skylab 4 backup crew primary suit 625 - Lind: Skylab 3 and Skylab 4 backup crew primary suit 626 - Carr: Skylab 4 flight suit 627 - Pogue: Skylab 4 flight suit 628 - Gibson: Skylab 4 flight suit 631 - Kerwin: Skylab 2 backup suit 632 - Bean: Skylab 3 flight suit 634 - Garriott: Skylab 3 flight suit 635 - Lousma: Skylab 3 flight suit + Carr: Skylab 4 backup suit 636 - Gibson: Skylab 4 backup suit 637 - Pogue: Skylab 4 backup suit 801 - Stafford: ASTP flight suit 802 - Stafford: ASTP backup suit 803 - Slayton: ASTP flight suit 804 - Evans: ASTP backup crew primary suit 805 - Slayton: ASTP backup suit 806 - Brand: ASTP flight suit 807 - Brand: ASTP backup suit 808 - Lousma: ASTP backup crew primary suit 809 - Bean: ASTP backup crew primary suit Update: Skylab suit numbers were added on 05-20-2020. Thanks, Rolf!
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-17-2020 10:24 PM Suits in the table assigned to more than one astronaut: 015 - Schweickart and Engle 021 - Schweickart and Duke 055 - Lovell and Brand 059 - Gordon and Mattingly 064 - Engle and Evans 076 - Aldrin and Schmitt 315 - Scott and Cernan 015 and 315 are flown suits.
Mike Dixon Member Posts: 1625 From: Kew, Victoria, Australia Registered: May 2003	posted 05-18-2020 12:08 AM Very thorough work.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-18-2020 12:35 AM There are a lot of missing training suit numbers.
Rolf Member Posts: 79 From: Netherlands Registered: May 2007	posted 05-18-2020 05:10 AM In 2018, after consultation and with the permission of Bill Ayrey of ILC, I expanded and adapted the overview in the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal. Here are the Apollo, Skylab and ASTP Suit Serial Numbers (spreadsheet).
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-18-2020 11:23 AM Thank you for providing those additional numbers. Can I add your Skylab suit numbers to the list? Some Skylab suit numbers shown in A Field Guide to American Spacecraft are slightly different.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-19-2020 01:25 PM Looks like Lousma's Skylab 3 flight suit (#635) was Carr's Skylab 4 backup suit.
Wlaine Member Posts: 50 From: San Diego, CA. USA Registered: Oct 2015	posted 05-19-2020 04:15 PM Outstanding work sir! Do you know if a list like this is available for the Gemini suits and training suits as well?
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-20-2020 12:12 AM There are some Gemini suit numbers in the "A Field Guide to American Spacecraft" link mentioned earlier.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-20-2020 02:38 AM I suspect that Mike Collins' Apollo 11 suits (#026, 033 and 034) may have also been his Apollo 8 suits when he was on that original crew, based on where the suits are located on the list.
Rolf Member Posts: 79 From: Netherlands Registered: May 2007	posted 05-20-2020 04:07 AM The list also shows that Apollo 9 was originally Apollo 8. quote: Originally posted by LM-12: Some Skylab suit numbers shown in A Field Guide to American Spacecraft are slightly different. Bill Ayrey of ILC provided the Skylab suit numbers. Yes you can add the numbers to your list.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-20-2020 07:57 AM That's great! Thank you, Rolf. Skylab numbers have been added to the list.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-21-2020 08:19 AM Apollo 15 was planned as a H-mission when the prime and backup crews were announced in March 1970. They trained from April to August, including suit fits. Those must have been A7L suits. I wonder what the suit numbers were. It was announced in September 1970 that the Apollo 15 H-mission was cancelled, and the flight was changed to a J-mission. Just prior to that, Dave Scott had an A7LB suit fit on August 20.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-21-2020 12:26 PM I stumbled across these figures for the number of Apollo A7L space suits delivered. The total number is 176 suits: Apollo 7-14 ... 90 suits Apollo 15-17 ... 40 suits Skylab ... 37 suits ASTP ... 9 suits
Rolf Member Posts: 79 From: Netherlands Registered: May 2007	posted 05-21-2020 03:07 PM quote: Originally posted by LM-12: Those must have been A7L suits. I wonder what the suit numbers were. Very interesting! The change from the Apollo 15 H- to a J-mission is indeed missing in Bill Ayrey's overview. Hopefully this will be clarified in: "Lunar Outfitters: Making the Apollo Space Suit" – October 6, 2020 by Bill Ayrey. Where did you find the information of the fit check at ILC on August 20, 1970?
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-21-2020 03:45 PM The suit fit shows up in the Apollo 15 Crew Training Summary on pdf page 29.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-22-2020 10:33 PM Stuart Roosa's flown Apollo 14 suit (#085) was re-used again as his Apollo 16 and Apollo 17 backup crew training suit. Here is a museum photo of the suit. It may also be the suit he is wearing in this Apollo 16 backup crew photo. Note the location of the NASA insignia on his suit.
Rolf Member Posts: 79 From: Netherlands Registered: May 2007	posted 05-23-2020 04:44 AM Apollo 14 flown suit #085 has on the right side (left side in the picture) the communications connector, the O2 inlet gas connector and the O2 exhaust gas connector. On the photo of the Apollo 16 backup crew Roosa probably is wearing suit #401. This contains a second set of gas connectors at the left side (right side in the picture). It seems unlikely that the suit of the National Air and Space Museum has flown.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-23-2020 06:45 AM I seem to recall reading somewhere that his flown suit had been modified. Regarding the A7LB CMP suits, Bill Ayrey mentions in "ILS Spacesuits & Related Products" that the retro-fitted A7L suits had a plate-like plug to cover the hole where the Multiple Water Connector (MWC) used to be. It looks like you can see that plate-like cover in the Apollo 16 backup crew photo. So maybe Roosa is wearing a retro-fitted A7L suit in that photo. The NASA meatball location also seems to indicate it was an earlier A7L suit. He also says the new 400 series suits did not have a plate to cover the MWC hole. This launch day photo of Ron Evans (#404) seems to show that. The suit in the museum photo does not look like either of those.
BruceF Member Posts: 17 From: Long Island, NY, USA Registered: May 2019	posted 05-23-2020 11:38 AM Wow! Really interesting research.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-23-2020 12:25 PM The suit table indicates that Roosa only had two Apollo 16 backup crew suits: primary suit #401, and training suit #085 (his Apollo 14 flown suit).
Rolf Member Posts: 79 From: Netherlands Registered: May 2007	posted 05-24-2020 08:07 AM Bill Ayrey's explanation of the retrofitted A7L suits and the 400 series suits is very informative. Does the National Air and Space Museum have an external access to a more detailed description of the objects in their collection? Then it may become clear which number the 'flown' suit of Roosa has on the museum photo. Unfortunately unreadable, but the number of the suit must be stated on the label inside the neckring on the right.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-24-2020 08:29 AM Such a description would be helpful. I also noticed that the NASM describes the three flown Apollo 8 A7L suits as the EV configuration. Weren't all three flown suits the IV type? Here is the NASM description for the flown Lovell Apollo 8 suit.
Rolf Member Posts: 79 From: Netherlands Registered: May 2007	posted 05-24-2020 09:33 AM Yes you are right about the IV type. However, the suits from Borman and Anders looked like the EV configuration on the outside because of the extra oxygen connectors and the multiple water connector.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-24-2020 10:38 AM That can be confusing. Even ILC seems to have gotten it wrong once. I have seen an ILC document that lists suit 031 (Anders' Apollo 8 flown) as an A7L EV suit. That same document has these suit numbers: Apollo 7-14: A6L 001-025 (EV) Apollo 7-14: A7L 001-090 (EV and IV-CMP) Apollo 15-17: A7L 091-096 (EV and IV-CMP) A7L 301-330 (EV) A7L 401-404 (IV-CMP) Skylab: A7L 601-637 (EV) ASTP: A7L 801-809 (IV-CMP)
Rolf Member Posts: 79 From: Netherlands Registered: May 2007	posted 05-24-2020 11:49 AM Page 51 of "ILC Space Suits & Related Products 0000-712731 Rev. A": A special intravehicular suit was developed for Apollo 8. This suit had three layers of protection that replaced the TMG of the previous suit. It was not designed for EVA, and would be used only to protect the occupant while inside the capsule. The outer layer of this garment was a new material called Super Beta. Super Beta was a further attempt to extend the life of the Teflon-coated Beta by coating the glass fibers with Teflon before weaving. The intravehicular suit was used by all of the astronauts during Apollo 8, and by the center couch occupant (CM pilot) for the remainder of the Apollo missions. The Super Beta replaced Teflon-coated Beta cloth as the outer material on Apollo 10 and subsequent ITMGs. Apollo 8 NASA Press Kit release NO: 68-208 page 75: Apollo 8 crewman, until one hour after translunar injection, will wear the intravehicular pressure garment assembly — a multi-layer spacesuit consisting of a helmet, torso and gloves which can be pressurized independently of the spacecraft. The spacesuit outer layer is Teflon-coated Beta fabric woven of fiberglass strands with a restraint layer, a pressure bladder and an inner high-temperature nylon liner.
Altidude Member Posts: 147 From: Registered: Jan 2016	posted 05-24-2020 12:18 PM Did ILC ever take back used Apollo suits for material testing?
Rolf Member Posts: 79 From: Netherlands Registered: May 2007	posted 05-25-2020 06:48 AM Addition to spreadsheet Apollo, Skylab and ASTP Suit Serial Numbers. The displayed landmark Apollo suit at the ILC Dover company museum is the Model A7L, serial number 036, delivered to NASA in September, 1968. It was manufactured as a primary flight suit for Astronaut Edwin (Buzz) Aldrin as a member of the Apollo 8 backup crew. Aldrin then used it as his training suit for the Apollo 11 mission. This suit was later returned to ILC Dover by NASA so that it could be modified as a training suit to support Astronaut William Pogue for the Skylab Mission he flew in November 1973. Source: 'Apollo Space Suit 1962-1974 Frederica, Delaware, A Historic Mechanical Engineering Landmark, September 20, 2013, ILC, page 1.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-25-2020 10:00 AM Thanks for that additional info. Interesting to note that the Apollo 8 backup crew all wore A7L-EV suits because Aldrin moved to CMP when Haise joined the crew.
Rolf Member Posts: 79 From: Netherlands Registered: May 2007	posted 05-25-2020 11:37 AM Another addition to the spreadsheet? It seems very likely that the primary suit (051) of Haise as a backup crewmember of Apollo 8 became his training suit for Apollo 13. An indication for this is the blue neckring on the portrait of the crew in front of the Saturn V (KSC-70PC-0073).
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-25-2020 11:55 AM Yes, it could have been his Apollo 13 training suit. 051 could also have been his training suit on the Apollo 11 backup crew. quote: Originally posted by Rolf: ...a training suit to support astronaut William Pogue Apollo 14 training photo S69-64029 shows Pogue wearing Aldrin's suit. Pogue was a member of the support crew.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-25-2020 12:58 PM Mattingly's Apollo 13 training suit would be another addition to the spreadsheet. There is no spot for that.
Rolf Member Posts: 79 From: Netherlands Registered: May 2007	posted 05-25-2020 03:00 PM Thanks for the valuable tips about suit 051 on the Apollo 11 backup crew and the information about the training suit 059 of Mattingly.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-25-2020 09:48 PM These are the suit numbers worn by the command module pilots on the three Apollo J-missions: Worden on Apollo 15: suit 094 Mattingly on Apollo 16: suit 082 Evans on Apollo 17: suit 404 Those numbers indicate to me that Worden and Mattingly wore former A7L suits that were modified into A7LB suits. Is that correct?
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-26-2020 11:01 AM Armstrong's Apollo 11 flight suit 056 was delivered on February 11, 1969. Aldrin's Apollo 11 flight suit 077 was delivered on April 25, 1969. Those are ILC dates.
Rolf Member Posts: 79 From: Netherlands Registered: May 2007	posted 05-26-2020 12:00 PM quote: Originally posted by LM-12: Those numbers indicate to me that Worden and Mattingly wore former A7L suits that were modified into A7LB suits. Yes, I think this is correct! However, it seems that on the Worden and Mattingly suits the plate-like plug has been replaced or covered by a round piece of white fabric.
Rolf Member Posts: 79 From: Netherlands Registered: May 2007	posted 05-26-2020 12:26 PM I have processed the information about the suits of Aldrin, Poque, Haise and Mattingly and have revised the Apollo, Skylab and ASTP Suit Serial Numbers spreadsheet.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-27-2020 12:16 AM That's great. Maybe we can eventually fill in more empty cells.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-27-2020 11:43 AM Regarding the Apollo 8 crew A7L-IV suits, I think there was an EVA planned for the Borman crew when they were originally going to fly on the Apollo 9 E-mission. That would have required at least one A7L-EV suit.
LM-12 Member Posts: 3882 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010	posted 05-28-2020 01:23 PM quote: Originally posted by Rolf: An indication for this is the blue neckring Apollo 14 backup crewmen Cernan and Engle also wore suits with a blue neck ring during training. Engle's training suit was 015. Maybe Cernan's was 049.

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