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Topic: Gemini-era space food documents
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rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-09-2015 05:59 AM
Okay, so I am very excited by this. I recently won a batch of Gemini-era food and the lot stated that they came with paperwork, I assumed that it was paperwork for the five pieces which I won — turns out it came with a ton of paperwork for food not included in the lot.So I am sitting here with paperwork for food that someone else may very well own. I am going to post images of each one (there are a lot so please bear with me). I can't say if this paperwork is for flown or unflown food, Gemini, Mercury or Apollo. Any advice would be helpful! |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-09-2015 06:33 AM
Okay so it is literally going to take me all day to scan these documents. For now I have scanned the documents that came with the food. Any comments on this is welcome! - Chocolate Pudding
Serial No: FJ 046 Part No: R133957-1 Code Ident No: 04071 Other Identifying Codes: 6187 Velcro: Square/White - Toasted Bread Cubes
Serial No: FL 059 Part No: R133961-1 Code Ident No: 04071 Other Identifying Codes: 6230 Velcro: None - Orange Drink
Serial No: FM 072 Part No: R133967-1 Code Ident No: 04071 Other Identifying Codes: 6256 Velcro: Square/Red - Cinnamon Toast
Serial No: FH 810 Part No: R133943-1 Code Ident No: 04071 Other Identifying Codes: 6183 Velcro: Square/White - Banana Pudding
Serial No: FAN 437 Part No: R133955-1 Code Ident No: 04071 Other Identifying Codes: 8320 Velcro: x2/Square/Blue |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-09-2015 07:50 AM
Chocolate Pudding
Bread Cubes
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rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-09-2015 07:50 AM
Orange DrinkCinnamon Toast
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rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-09-2015 07:51 AM
Banana Pudding
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rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-09-2015 08:34 AM
All of these are dated between 1965-1966, so it is safe to assume that this is all Gemini-era documentation.I know there have been debates about the flown/unflown food, and all have been inconclusive. I'm wondering whether or not, with this new paperwork, if there would be a way to further the debate or at least shed light on information unseen until now. There are 45 documents worth of food packets, all similar to the above with the exception of one, which appears to show a full meal assembly (labelled as Meal C). I can post more if need be. Thoughts? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-09-2015 08:45 AM
According to NASA's oral history with Paul Lachance, Melpar only held a food contract with NASA during Gemini. (Melpar later went on to outfit the inside the Apollo quarantine facilities.)Lachance was NASA's Flight Food and Nutrition Coordinator from 1963 to 1967. ...the initial contract was won by Melpar, as the integrator, and they were in Maryland somewhere; anyway, near the green belt. But they got so involved in the paperwork that they were not doing very much technically, and the other [subcontractor] company, which was Swift, which we mentioned that made all the meat products. |
space1 Member Posts: 853 From: Danville, Ohio Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 11-09-2015 08:47 AM
Thank you for posting this information.The drawings will probably not help settle flown/unflown questions. They do show the sizes and weights of the flight rated food packages. I have not noticed part numbers on any food packages, only the type of food, how much water to add, a serial number, and a four-digit code such as in your list. I would be interested in seeing the meal package drawing. Hopefully it can give some clues about Gemini versus Apollo meal packages. |
spaced out Member Posts: 3110 From: Paris, France Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 11-09-2015 10:05 AM
You've gotta love an engineering diagram for a slice of cinnamon toast. |
space1 Member Posts: 853 From: Danville, Ohio Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 11-09-2015 11:42 AM
How about an engineering drawing for a Lunar Module Waste Fluid Bag? |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-10-2015 03:37 AM
I have not notice a Part Number either, so it confused me as to why they would be on there in the first place. And given that this is all of the documentation supplied with the food, how then did NASA know which food packet went with which Part Number?Would these Part Numbers appear on a Gemini Stowage List? |
space1 Member Posts: 853 From: Danville, Ohio Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 11-10-2015 04:50 AM
The Gemini 12 stowage list shows meals with part number 9557-3-035. This is the part number listed for all of the meals, with no difference for the type of meal or contents of the meal. And apparently food was stowed only as meals.Here is paperwork for a full meal plan:
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rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-10-2015 05:16 AM
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rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-10-2015 05:24 AM
So the Stowage List would show part numbers identical to those on the Meal Plan paperwork I just posted.The paperwork shows a breakdown of the various Individual Part Numbers which make up the full meal, so theoretically, they can be linked up to a Stowage List so long as you have the paperwork for the full meal plan. Am I mistaken? A problem I can't figure out is how did the food technicians know which Food Packets went with which piece of paperwork - there must be a way to link them up, but between the food packet and paperwork I can't see how. Anyone else? |
space1 Member Posts: 853 From: Danville, Ohio Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 11-10-2015 06:33 AM
There doesn't appear to be any correlation between these drawing numbers and the meal part numbers used on the stowage list. It appears that the various parties involved in food preparation used different numbers. And some other paperwork specified what food packets should be in a given meal for each crew member.I wonder if this was as much of a headache for people working on the program as it is for us. |
spaced out Member Posts: 3110 From: Paris, France Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 11-10-2015 06:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by rgarner: So the Stowage List would show part numbers identical to those on the Meal Plan paperwork I just posted.
Unfortunately, as noted above the Gemini Stowage Lists only show e.g. "Food 9557-3-035 6 m/d" - that is, 6 day meal packs. There is no detail at all of the contents. It's similar with the Apollo stowage lists where all food is just a "Food Assembly" unit with no detail included. You'd need to find documentation beyond the Stowage Lists to try to identify what was really flown per flight. Trying to work out if an individual food pack was carried on a flight will be a serious challenge. |
levasseurj Member Posts: 27 From: Washington, D.C. Registered: Jan 2010
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posted 11-12-2015 09:34 AM
Thanks so much for posting this really useful documentation. I'm the National Air and Space Museum curator for Mercury through Skylab food and these will be really great for cleaning up the few Gemini food artifact records we have. Please feel free to reach out to me at levasseurj@si.edu if you have other information that you think would be beneficial. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-21-2015 01:22 PM
This is what I have learned about Gemini and Apollo space food as of now. I still have a few blanks to fill in but I think this is the primary information everyone is after. By no means am I claiming all of this information is correct, it could be wrong, but this is what I have learnt from questioning and observation. Please feel free to correct me on anything written below.I also have a PDF version available. I'll update it as new info comes to light. Info on Space Food Melpar Inc: Melpar Inc. was the manufacturer of all food rations meant for Project Gemini. This role was taken over by Whirlpool Corp. some time during the Late-Gemini Missions. Evidence suggests (but is factually inconclusive) that the last mission in which Melpar manufactured food packets for NASA was for Gemini 8. The evidence for this assumption is based on the latest known Melpar paperwork in which the last entry by a Melpar employee was Feb. 7, 1966. The Gemini 8 mission launched on March 16, 1966, some three weeks later. Whirlpool Corp: In October 1960, Whirlpool received a government contract to design and build America's first experimental space kitchen. The kitchen included a miniature thermoelectric refrigerator, freezer, three-cavity oven, self-heated water system, storage space for food and disposal units for both dry and wet waste. This was the first attempt by appliance engineers to cope with the problems of zero gravity. Whirlpool later developed food for Late-Gemini, Apollo and Skylab missions. How to Identify Food Developed by Whirlpool Circular WSD Stamp: The circular stamp is prevalent on all food packets manufactured by Whirlpool. The stamp itself is thought to be a quality control stamp and would be applied to said food upon completion of the QC check. The stamp consists of two parts, three letters and two numbers. The letters are consistent on all packets and are thought to be an abbreviation of 'Whirlpool Space Division', the numbers range from 11 to 18, and these are believed to the the Quality Control Inspectors personal ID number. Other Whirlpool Food Considerations Four Digit Stamp: Unknown purpose. These stamps consisted of four numbers. There are two types of known varying font used. There has been only one use of this code which has aided, but not confirmed whether or not the food was from either Gemini or Apollo. If two codes are close together in number, i.e. 6187 and 6190, one can assume that these food packets were meant for the same mission. This is simply an indication and not a guarantee that this is the case. Additional Information Square Pieces of Velcro: There were three colours of Velcro used on Apollo food packets; red, blue and white – the colours of the American Flag. The were used to determine which crew member the food was meant for. Red was meant for the Commander, Blue for the Lunar Module Pilot and White for the Command Module Pilot. Coloured Lace: Full meals were wrapped in an outer layer and tied with a piece of coloured lace, the colours and purpose of this lace were identical to that of the Velcro squares. Serial No: The Serial Number referred to an individual food packet and consisted of between two to three letters and three numbers. Each full meal consisted of several food packets, the meal itself was labelled with its own Serial Number. Ways to Distinguish between Gemini and Apollo Food Germicide Tablet: There were two methods used for containing germicide tablets, one was external and the other internal. The introduction of internal germicide tables did not take place until Apollo 8. Prior to this all mission food packets containing the tablet were in a separate pouch attached to the exterior of the food packet. Therefore, any food packet containing an external germicide tablet must be from Gemini Missions or Apollo 7, and any food packet containing an internal germicide tablet must be from Apollo 8 onwards. Introduction of the Spoon Bowl: Spoon bowl food packets were not introduced until Apollo 10. Therefore, all spoon bowl food packets must be from Apollo 10 onwards. Water Temperature: The Gemini Missions did not have hot water, this was not introduced until Apollo 7, therefore any mention of water temperature is a tell-tale sign of Apollo food packets. Furthermore, Apollo food packets always reference water temperature, therefore any food packets simply stating 'water' were from Gemini. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-21-2015 01:30 PM
In terms of my food packets, here is my conclusion:Orange Drink and Toasted Bread Cubes are from Apollo 7. The Orange Drink has an external tablet and references Cold Water, therefore must be from Apollo 7. The reason I believe the Toasted Bread Cubes are of the same mission as due to the fact that the four digit stamp codes are very close together in number; 6230 and 6256. If however the bread cubes turn out not to be from Apollo 7 then logic dictates they must have been used on Apollo 8. Chocolate Pudding and Cinnamon Toast are from Gemini 9A-12. The Chocolate Pudding has an external tablet and does not reference water temperature - other known Chocolate Pudding food packets state cold water. The Cinnamon Toast 4 digit stamp is also very close to the Chocolate Pudding, 6183 and 6187, meaning that they are likely as not meant for the same mission. Banana Pudding is Apollo 8-17. The reason being because there is reference to water temperature and the tablet is internal. I am inclined to think this is a later mission due to the four digit code being quite further along than other known food packets from earlier missions (8320). |
spaced out Member Posts: 3110 From: Paris, France Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 11-21-2015 02:01 PM
When you talk about missions, I assume you mean that the food was produced at around the time of that mission, not that it was carried on the mission itself.I would assume that much more food was prepared than actually flown, and of course only a minority of the flown food was returned unused. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-21-2015 02:06 PM
You are correct, yes. |
spaced out Member Posts: 3110 From: Paris, France Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 11-21-2015 05:16 PM
In any case these items are great bits of history and your research and analysis is wonderful stuff.It's always interesting when you're able to start to put an approximate date on space artifacts and I'm glad this documentation fell into the hands of someone willing to do the analysis and also keen to share it with fellow space fans. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 11-21-2015 05:37 PM
Thank you, that means a lot. My research is far from over - I still have over 50 pages of documents to analyse and summarise, but as soon as I do I will of course write an update. |