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Danno
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posted 02-16-2005 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Danno   Click Here to Email Danno     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I never knew shuttle tires were so inexpensive.

Opening for bids is March 15, 2005.

What would you do with it? I'd be interested to hear some ideas.

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posted 02-16-2005 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think there would be something special about buying one of these tires, hanging it from a tree and allowing kids to swing from it. They already let their imagination soar - imagine the daydreams when you told them that the tire had been to space...

The minimum lot is three tires - so that would give you one to hang for the kids, one to display and one to chop up into chunks and give to your friends.

I plan to call tomorrow, but its not clear if the "Acquisition cost" listed is for reference only or is the minimum bid.

Anyone interested in pooling bids?

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I would be interested in pooling bids.

My daughter would love the tire swing! Maybe I could put one on my desk. A bit awkward maybe, but it would definitely be a conversation piece.

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posted 02-16-2005 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacepsycho   Click Here to Email Spacepsycho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Count me in.

joe bruce
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I use the front and rear tire along with other artifacts from my collection that I have to take to schools and civic groups to speak about the space program and motivate kids in math and science.

I also display them in my gallery in my home with the rest of my collection.

How would we ship these to the different locations if we pool funds? It cost me about $200 shipping for one tire from Florida to Spokane, WA a few years ago.

Let me know options, I would be interested.

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posted 02-17-2005 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cfreeze79   Click Here to Email cfreeze79     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Make the count one more!

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posted 02-17-2005 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1202 Alarm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the pdf documents, I read "Export Control required". I remember some of these things aren't allowed for export. Does anybody knows if it can go overseas?

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 02-17-2005 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Danno:
What would you do with it? I'd be interested to hear some ideas.
*luglugluglug oomph!* "Excuse me sir/ma'am, would you please sign this tire from your shuttle mission? Ah, yeah, right there in the sweet spot, thanks. Color? Ah, let's try the silver Sharpie, not the blue or black, thanks..."

Either that, or that would be one sweet monster truck to put those babies on...

Danno
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posted 02-17-2005 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Danno   Click Here to Email Danno     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hart Sastrowardoyo:
Either that, or that would be one sweet monster truck to put those babies on...
My first thought was to get four and mount them on my Subaru. But my wife drives it sometimes and she is tiny. I'd have to rig up a rope like the early LEM design had.

If you are chunking them, I'd like a chunk.

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posted 02-17-2005 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would be really nice to have a little presentation in acrylic that had a chunk from each of the four shuttles that are offered. But the whole tire would be a little much for my shelf!

A few years ago flown SR-71 Blackbird tires were being sold for like $75 - $100. They are cool looking and all, but I could never get around the fact that it was a big tire. I ran into somebody at recent event who had bought one. He said it just ended up in the garage collecting dust.

And yes, I think some people were buying them and having them autogrpahed by the pilots at the event. All three first flight pilots were there that day. So there were great sigs to put on... but man, unless you got the space... I will hold out for something in a little presentation acrylic.

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posted 02-17-2005 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mikepf   Click Here to Email mikepf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm interested in joining the pool. So what is the diameter of a Shuttle tire? How big a tree would be needed to hang one from? Hanging one from a Moon Tree would be awesome!

John K. Rochester
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posted 02-17-2005 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John K. Rochester   Click Here to Email John K. Rochester     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People sell heatshield fragments, mylar fragments... how many flown tire fragments could we get from two of these tires? I'm in if we decide to get a set!

Matt T
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posted 02-17-2005 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If these can be exported I'm in. Anyone know how much a tyre weighs?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 02-17-2005 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Each main landing gear tire measures 44.5 by 16 and 21 inches (outside diameter is 44.9 inches). Approx. weight: 205 pounds each.

The fact export control is noted likely means these cannot be shipped overseas (per State Dept. restrictions concerning missile parts), though that's simple to research.

The lots are organized such that the smallest quantity of tires is two (2) and the largest is four (4). There is no minimum bid, though the surplus dept. at KSC hopes that each tire will sell for more than the $231 acquisition cost.

This auction is by sealed bid, which essentially means we must commit to paying the most we are able for a single lot and hope that its higher than everyone else bidding at the auction's close. There is no proxy bidding and no sniping.

First, we need to organize ourselves and gauge interest (and funds). There appears to be two groups: those who want complete tires and those who are happy with a chunk. If those interested in either can e-mail me with your preference and the maximum you would pay, I can start organizing a method of moving forward.

(I'm suggesting e-mail rather than posting here only in the case a lurker might want to use the information to best our best offer.)

I'm wide open to other ideas and/or volunteers to help organize this (especially if you live in Florida and can assist with retrieval of the tires should we win).

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 02-17-2005 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
buySPACE might want to look into buying several and making mounted presentations of sizable chunks not unlike the very successful shuttle flown insulation items. I'd be interested in a chunk!

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posted 02-17-2005 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard   Click Here to Email Richard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sure that spaceflori is already sharpening his scissors.

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I would love to get a chunk of a tire... perhaps the acrylic idea would be the way to go. But I'm interested in it.

Michael Clemente
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posted 02-17-2005 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Clemente   Click Here to Email Michael Clemente     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm interested in a piece or chunk of tire. I think it would look nice displayed in acrylic or some sort of presentation. It would be nice if it could be one from each of the shuttles. Take care.

James Brown
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posted 02-17-2005 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Brown   Click Here to Email James Brown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really hate to see things like this cut up into little pieces. I always thought 2 or more of these tires could be stacked sideways on top of each other, and topped with a thick piece of round glass (to make tables).

To each his own.

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posted 02-17-2005 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I usually do not like the practice of cutting up complete artifacts either (and to tell the truth, have my eyes set on a complete tire) but there is precedent; for years NASA gave their flown tires back to Michelin to be cut apart and distributed to educators.

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posted 02-17-2005 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OV-105   Click Here to Email OV-105     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would go for a chunk of tire.

Matt T
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posted 02-17-2005 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd love a complete tyre, but 205 lbs! Even if the export rules aren't a problem the cost of shipping will be. I'm not really interested in a segment so I'll have to drop out of the pool.

Unless somebody knows a really cheap way of sending one of these across to Europe?

Danno
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posted 02-17-2005 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Danno   Click Here to Email Danno     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A whole tire takes up a lot of room. I think a nice way to chunk it out would be a circular cut down the center of the tread to divide it in half, then take about a 15 degree section. That way you would get a nice big section with tread and sidewall showing.

If that turns out to be too big you could instead first take about a 3 inch section from the center of the tread to chunk out.

How the hell do you cut a steel-belted space tire anyway?!?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 02-17-2005 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not that I even know this is a possibility (so don't hold me to it) but which would people prefer IF there was a choice: a chunk of tire or a mini-tire made from the melted rubber of a flown tire, complete with appropriate markings and a raised inscription on what mission the tire material flew?

Danno
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posted 02-17-2005 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Danno   Click Here to Email Danno     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd prefer a chunk.

Michael Clemente
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posted 02-17-2005 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Clemente   Click Here to Email Michael Clemente     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like the mini-tire made from the original tire. Nice idea. Count me in.

Danno
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posted 02-17-2005 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Danno   Click Here to Email Danno     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are the actual dimensions of the MLG tires? I was trying to do a quick figure of the total surface area for chunking.

I know they are 44.5 x 16 inches, but how "deep" is the sidewall? The area from the bead to the tread?

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posted 02-17-2005 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Count me in Robert!

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Folks, these tires are large, heavy, and tough. To cut them you need a good band saw with a metal cutting blade. It can be done, but more by a machinery shop then typical home tools. I got a piece of tire handed out during an education program - it was about 1x1x3 cm and cut from the tread of a main landing gear tire. I drilled a whole at one end and made a keychain out of it. As a kid I always thought how neat it would be to carry something flown in space in my pocket. It was retired to my memento shelf a couple years ago. If you cut up awhole tire you can get somewhere around ten thousand pieces this size. Attach a key chain and sell them to move at $5. Any interested in doing this, let me in!

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posted 02-18-2005 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott   Click Here to Email Scott     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hanker for a hunka tire. Count me in.

I would definitely want a chunk instead of a miniature from melted tire. Just my preference.

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posted 02-18-2005 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Danno   Click Here to Email Danno     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Choose2Go:
If you cut up a whole tire you can get somewhere around ten thousand pieces this size. Attach a key chain and sell them to move at $5.
A good way to go! I did some back of the envelope math and figured that the tread area alone is over 2500 square inches and the sidewalls are about double that. If you could sell them all for $5 you would make some profit.

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I would love to get one or two of these. One to hang on the tree for my kids and one to donate to the local science museum. I could go as high as ($ 150 per tire, assuming two tires or a little over 200 for one tire ) and use my private FedEx account for shipping to me.

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posted 02-18-2005 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Definitely be interested - I'd like to see an arcrylic with pieces of the three shuttles' tires in it. Good luck finding a Challenger-flown tire - and didn't someone on eBay have two Enterprise tires a while ago? They didn't sell, and I believe the seller was thinking of making chunks with that as well. Anyone know what happened?

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posted 02-18-2005 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Danno   Click Here to Email Danno     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jeffbassett:
I would love to get one or two of these. One to hang on the tree for my kids and one to donate to the local science museum.

Frankly, I think your kids may have a tough time getting a good swing out of a 200+ lbs tire. You'd also need to hang it off a Redwood or something else pretty darn strong.

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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quote:
Originally posted by Danno:
Frankly, I think your kids may have a tough time getting a good swing out of a 200+ lbs tire. You'd also need to hang it off a Redwood or something else pretty darn strong.

Well, we here in the Northeast get some pretty durn strong nor'easters and hurricanes. Next time there's one, just look for me on TV, swinging away for all its worth, refusing to evacuate....

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Does anyone understand the mission designations used by NASA on the website? What is the difference between the "Flight" and "Mission" numbers? The STS- numbers would help.

I would definitely be interested in the pool for an intact lot...count me in!

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 02-18-2005 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As for the presentation of a piece of tire what about a cross section mounted on a plaque; a slice if you like!

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Northwest Ohio is known here for its large oak trees. Hanging it from an oak would not be that hard. Would have to drill a couple of holes and anchor it with an inside steel plate and chains to the tree. Its not uncommon to see tractor tires mounted the same way here.

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quote:
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The STS- numbers would help.

The "Mission" is the STS number. The "Flight" is the number launch for that particular orbiter.

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posted 02-18-2005 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tedc   Click Here to Email tedc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would be interested in a chunk of tire as well.


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