Posts: 45952 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 12-02-2009 11:14 AM
The Outpost Tavern in Webster, Texas, a 30-year hangout for astronauts and their Johnson Space Center colleagues, is closing in January 2010. From its website:
The Outpost is Closing... And this time, it is for good.
Together, Gene Ross, my mother, Sharon, and myself, have kept the Outpost Tavern going for the last thirty years, it has stayed open. My Mom and Gene being the bulk of it, I was meant to be the "Closer" of this deal! Good or bad, whatever anyone thinks of how we did it, we kept it open for you!
However, like many good things in life, sometimes "we" are not in charge. In this case, the property that the OP sits on has been going through many changes ownership-wise, since Pete Wright died, and there has always been a certain air of uncertainty about what may happen in the future. Well, the future is here. I have been informed that the property has been sold to another party.
Rather than wait, wondering when or if someone would come in and say "get out by Friday," I would like to give everyone notice that in January, we close. Finished. The End.
This way, we can enjoy the place a while longer, and make plans on how to save what we can. I would rather have the Outpost close my way, instead of having someone shut us down one day without so much as a "fare-well."
All-in-all, you must admit that it has been an interesting and fun run for this little bar. I hope that in the next several weeks, as we wind down the Outpost Tavern, we can see old faces once again. I was about eleven-years old when the OP first opened as "The Outpost," and now I have two kids and just celebrated my something-ith-birthday. Some who have been coming in have been there for longer, since it was Fort Terry's. You know who you are!
This is not a time to get mad, but instead to remember all the fun that everyone has had here. Most everyone who has been around here for any length of time has known for years that eventually, this day would come. I hate it. You hate it. But, here we are.
In 2010, it will be thirty years (yes!) since Gene bought the place from Terry. So, to end the Outpost Tavern, we will have one hell of a blow-out thirtieth Anniversary party. Hope everyone can attend!
James Brown Member
Posts: 1288 From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA Registered: Jun 2000
posted 12-02-2009 11:43 AM
We ate there during a visit to Houston several years ago. The food was wonderful, the employees, extremely friendly. Sorry to hear it's closing.
NavySpaceFan Member
Posts: 661 From: Norfolk, VA Registered: May 2007
posted 12-02-2009 02:00 PM
Any word on the plan to save all the memorabilia? I hope the National Air and Space Museum or some other museum will take them on board.
albatron Member
Posts: 2804 From: Stuart, Florida Registered: Jun 2000
posted 12-02-2009 02:30 PM
I was recently at Johnson Space Center and other parts of Houston, and didn't stop by as for some reason I had assumed they had already closed. I wish I had at least driven by now.
Bad news, a true legend of a place. The bar scene in "Space Cowboys" was filmed there. In 2001 when my eldest son and I were stranded there we visited. As we were leaving I threw him out the door. He looked at me and asked what that was for?
I said here, do it to me. He gladly did of course, and I opined "now we can say we've been thrown out of the Outpost".
Henk Boshuijer Member
Posts: 455 From: Netherlands Registered: May 2007
posted 12-02-2009 03:20 PM
I was looking forward to visiting the Tavern in the summer of 2010. Too bad it had to close its doors.
I hope the memorabilia is saved and displayed somewhere else.
sts205cdr Member
Posts: 696 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Jun 2001
posted 12-02-2009 06:53 PM
Last time I was in The Outpost I ran into Steve MacLean and a few flight controllers relaxing after a day in the trenches. I love that place. Sad news, indeed!
328KF Member
Posts: 1307 From: Registered: Apr 2008
posted 12-06-2009 10:10 AM
From the website:
Just heard from Stephanie on the farewell party dates (yes, plural):
Jan 8, 9 and 10, 2010
More details will be announced within the next week (at least those of you who are traveling from afar can start making travel arrangements)
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 45952 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 12-11-2009 10:46 PM
The Outpost played host to a #JSCTweetUp tonight, affording an opportunity for a few photographs.
Noticeably missing is much of the memorabilia that once covered the walls, which has now been moved into storage to avoid it being stolen. According to one of the bartenders, the autographed photos and other items are being cycled on display as the owners decide what to do with everything.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 45952 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 01-18-2010 09:53 AM
The Outpost Tavern is now closed. From their website:
Unfortunately, the owners of the land parcel upon which the OutPost Tavern sits have accelerated the "closing date" by changing the door locks on January 14, 2010. This was completely unexpected and I am sorry for our friends who had planned parties throughout the month.
But is it closed forever? Further details from the Houston Chronicle's Beer, TX blog:
Attorney Richard Melamed, who represents the building's landlord, Walter Wright, said there was a disagreement over when the bar would close. He referred questions to Wright.
Wright said in response that he and his brothers own the business and its contents, as well as the building, and that they intend to move the building and reopen. He said he acted to close it before Foster's farewell plans were completed because he feared "thousands of dollars" worth of memorabilia had already been removed.
"We had no choice," he said. "We're in the process of getting the building repositioned."
He added, "We're trying to preserve the Outpost as hard as we can, from a historical perspective."
Wright said he is trying to have the building, a World War II-era Quonset hut (his description), moved to a location on the existing tract of land, perhaps 100 feet away. He said he hopes to continue to sell food and beer there but "upgrade" to make the place more family-oriented. He did not provide a specific time frame.
According to blogger Ronnie Crocker, there is a legal dispute between the building's landlord, Walter Wright, and proprietor Stephanie Foster over lapsed rent payments and title to the name, "The Outpost Tavern."
"If he thinks he is going to use the Outpost Tavern name," [Foster] said, "absolutely this is going to court."
Jay Chladek Member
Posts: 2272 From: Bellevue, NE, USA Registered: Aug 2007
posted 01-22-2010 01:18 AM
I at least had a chance to have a beer there in July 2008 and got a chance to look at the walls. A lot of memories were there. I remember one picture was autographed by Kevin Chilton (back when he had black hair all those years ago) mentioning how NASA was going to one day put an "Outpost" on the moon.
Dang, if it was around longer I was thinking about donating a dust jacket cover from my first book there when it gets published, assuming the working title I am using sticks. But, it sounds like "Outposts on the Frontier" will not get to be enshrined at its namesake after all.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 45952 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 10-16-2010 04:37 AM
The former Outpost Tavern was engulfed by a fire and torn down Friday evening.
According to press reports from earlier this year, the building had been emptied by its former proprietor of much of the iconic space memorabilia that lined its walls.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 45952 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 10-16-2010 11:36 AM
Former astronaut hangout destroyed in fire
The former Outpost Tavern, which for over two decades served as a popular astronaut hangout in Webster, Texas, was destroyed by a fire Friday night.
The cause of the blaze, which was well underway when the Webster Police Department were called to the scene at 10:30 p.m., is under investigation.
"There was no electricity running to the building," assistant fire chief Rick Vargas told collectSPACE. "It is certainly suspicious."
Vargas and his fellow firefighters were on site on Saturday morning dousing the still smoldering pile of debris with water and foam.
Vargas said that none of the tavern's trademark astronaut and space memorabilia that once lined its walls had been found among the burnt remains.
"Just kegs and other bar-related stuff," said Vargas.
The Outpost closed in January after its property owner sold the land on which the bar and grill sat since 1965. Prior to that, the building was located at nearby Ellington Field, where it served as barracks for airmen.
Soon after it was closed, landlord Walter Wright had the building moved the short distance to a neighboring lot, with reported stated plans to convert it to a family restaurant.
Wright claimed that Outpost proprietor Stephanie Foster had removed "thousands of dollars" of space memorabilia prior to the building being shuttered, according to media reports from January.
Friday night's fire caused enough structural damage to the building that firefighters had to call in a backhoe to knock down its walls.
KSCartist Member
Posts: 2965 From: Titusville, FL Registered: Feb 2005
posted 10-16-2010 11:57 AM
Due to the disputes between parties involved, do they think it was arson?
A sad day in Houston to be sure.
ejectr Member
Posts: 1824 From: Killingly, CT Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 852 From: Ridgecrest, CA Registered: Sep 2000
posted 10-16-2010 10:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by KSCartist: ...do they think it was arson?
With our ops, I don't know Houston Fire Department's, it would call for the arson unit to come out and investigate.
A place with no utilities hooked up that and late at night like that, time to call the A-Unit in.
Greggy_D Member
Posts: 993 From: Michigan Registered: Jul 2006
posted 10-17-2010 06:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by KSCartist: A sad day in Houston to be sure.
Agreed, a very sad day upon losing walls you wish could talk.
pokey Member
Posts: 361 From: Houston, TX, USA Registered: Aug 2000
posted 10-18-2010 08:11 AM
I drive by that corner daily. The Outpost had been precariously perched on the I-beams and cinder blocks way too long. The building had settled such that the various add ons had become unlevel and I was wondering how much work it would have been to get it structurally sound after its move.
My first visit to the Outpost was for a post-Challenger Centaur's Been Cancelled beer bust back in 1986. One of my good friends (now deceased), Bill Fisher, said the Outpost was named after a place his sister had outside Kansas City. Bill's retirement party and post-funeral get together were at his beloved Outpost. I enjoyed bringing friends there for their first Outpost bar burger. Yuri Malenchenko met his current wife there during a Yuri's Night event.
Me and my husband were checking the garage sales at 8 AM Saturday when we drove by what was left of the Outpost while three fire trucks nursed the embers.
My favorite feature was the female saloon doors that I always made sure to not open by the bosoms. My most memorable photo on the wall was the STS-47 shuttle crew photo with Jemison air brushed out.
Rest in peace Outpost
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 45952 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 10-18-2010 01:15 PM
Stephanie Foster, former proprietor of the Outpost, posted Saturday on Facebook:
Thanks to everyone for your messages and texts today. It is sad knowing the building is gone forever physically. But the spirit of the OP will live long.
It was very painful for all of us to watch it sit there, rotting and breaking into pieces before our very eyes... I am just so thankful nothing we care about was hurt or destroyed in that fire. Just the building.
The OutPost Tavern, name and treasures, could pop up again someday.
Gilbert Member
Posts: 1392 From: Carrollton, GA USA Registered: Jan 2003
posted 10-18-2010 02:16 PM
Very sad indeed!
Fezman92 Member
Posts: 1031 From: New Jersey, USA Registered: Mar 2010
posted 10-20-2010 04:00 PM
The OutPost Tavern, name and treasures, could pop up again someday.
That would be great if they could build a new one.
sts205cdr Member
Posts: 696 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Jun 2001
posted 04-03-2021 12:52 PM
I was lucky enough to visit The Outpost bar and grill near JSC before it closed, and I've been wondering about what happened to all the signed photos and memorabilia that adorned the walls (and ceiling!). Does anyone have any info?
Editor's note: Threads merged.
heng44 Member
Posts: 3494 From: Netherlands Registered: Nov 2001
posted 04-03-2021 01:30 PM
I believe they were all sold. I have one of them.
sts205cdr Member
Posts: 696 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Jun 2001
posted 04-03-2021 02:38 PM
That's great news, thanks for that. It's nice to know, since you're one of the best preservationists.
Ken Havekotte Member
Posts: 3202 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
posted 04-03-2021 03:14 PM
I do recall a sale of space memorabilia from the landmark Outpost Tavern a few years back. I was able to acquire a nice STS-95/Glenn returns to space item signed by a bunch of Outpost/Houston-area folks.
By the way, what was the cause of the fire in Oct. 2010, was it ever determined?
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 45952 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 04-03-2021 03:31 PM
A quick search does not return any news reports on the cause of the fire.
At the time, there were rumors of foul play given that electricity and gas had already been cut off to the building and there was an ongoing legal dispute about the ownership of the building and its contents. But I don't recall that being anything more than speculation.
quote:Originally posted by sts205cdr: ...what happened to all the signed photos and memorabilia that adorned the walls (and ceiling!).
I remember there was a sale of some pieces, but according to a 2019 Houston Chronicle article, most of the memorabilia is still in the possession of Stephanie Foster, who ran The Outpost.
Foster was able to save most of the NASA memorabilia, some of it showing signs of wear and tear, from the Outpost before the 2010 fire. She's had offers to buy certain pieces, but has resisted.
sts205cdr Member
Posts: 696 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Jun 2001
posted 04-03-2021 06:27 PM
I really hope to see those swinging doors again (displayed, or maybe even back in action!). I'm also thinking about the cS community, and how many of us tacked up signed dollar bills there. How far out would it be to see a scanned collage of those bills?
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 45952 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 04-03-2021 06:31 PM
The original doors were acquired by a member of the local NASA community, who since has had them signed by many astronauts.