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Topic: ISS Expedition 33 insignia
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Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42984 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-24-2011 09:46 AM
ISS Expedition 33 mission patchThe International Space Station's (ISS) Expedition 33 begins with the scheduled undocking of Soyuz TMA-04M in September 2012. Three new crew members will arrive shortly thereafter on Soyuz TMA-06M. ISS Expedition 33 will be commanded by NASA astronaut Sunita Williams. Her crewmates, all flight engineers, include: Kevin Ford of NASA, JAXA astronaut Akihiko Hoshide and Roscosmos cosmonauts Yuri Malenchenko, Oleg Novitskiy and Evgeny Tarelkin. |
Tom Member Posts: 1597 From: New York Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 11-24-2011 11:35 AM
Great looking patch! Looks very similar to the Group 17 patch, which Suni is a member. |
KSCartist Member Posts: 2896 From: Titusville, FL USA Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 11-24-2011 03:18 PM
When I contacted Suni Williams in an attempt to have her choose Jorge and I to design the patch, she mentioned that Aki Hoshide was the crew coordinator for the patch.Kevin Ford (who did ask us to work with him on the 34 patch) told me he is not sure who the artist is. I congratulate whoever it is. |
NavySpaceFan Member Posts: 655 From: Norfolk, VA Registered: May 2007
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posted 11-24-2011 08:42 PM
Very nice! Thought it was one of yours Tim. |
spaceman Member Posts: 1104 From: Walsall, West Midlands, UK Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 12-28-2011 11:09 AM
The version currently on the HSF gallery shows a different ISS view, differently positioned stars left and right hand side of the patch... updated version? |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1031 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 12-28-2011 12:32 PM
I like the orientation of the ISS much better, but again, the quality of the graphics is stunning. Is this supposed to be a Soyuz? |
Jacques van Oene Member Posts: 861 From: Houten, The Netherlands Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 12-28-2011 01:47 PM
It is very sad that NASA graphics department again messed up a good design. Why do they do that? If an HR version of the art is available to them, just use that and don't create something new that looks terrible, horrible. |
KAPTEC Member Posts: 578 From: Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2005
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posted 12-29-2011 02:03 PM
As far as I can see, it is taken from their re-design of our (Tim and I) ISS on the Expedition 29 artwork. |
butch wilks Member Posts: 333 From: Lowestoft, Suffolk, UK Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 12-29-2011 02:29 PM
I do hope someone puts out a patch closer to the artwork than this one, please. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42984 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-29-2011 02:36 PM
The first version of the patch (as posted in November) is apparently no longer the official insignia. The revision posted this week is now as "close" as you'll get to the artwork because it is the artwork. |
GoesTo11 Member Posts: 1309 From: Denver, CO Registered: Jun 2004
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posted 12-29-2011 10:28 PM
I've been waiting a long time for an aggressive diamond design... and we get this. I don't hate it, it's just meh. Too much negative space and no dominant element. Boring. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1031 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 12-30-2011 12:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by KAPTEC: As far as I can see, it is taken from their re-design of our (Tim and I) ISS on the Expedition 29 artwork.
Yes, indeed! They simply recycled their Expedition 29 image (just like some of your other ideas...). It is now pretty clear to me what went wrong. In the Expedition 29 patch, your art was simplified, but also given a white outline, that still gave the ISS a realistic (outer) shape. It looks like for the Expedition 33 patch, NASA no longer had the layered Expedition 29 art available, so they were unable to separate the white ISS outline from the white Sun in the background and could only use the black 'fill'. Of course, things like this will not show up in embroidery or 4-inch stickers, but with just a little bit more effort, the original artwork could have looked so much better... |
butch wilks Member Posts: 333 From: Lowestoft, Suffolk, UK Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 12-30-2011 02:59 AM
At this time it looks as if the only place you can get the patch with the November artwork on it is from the Malaysia patch makers, which is a bit sad.I do not think it is NASA taking parts from one patch and putting them on this one. I think it all down to AB being lazy and using an ISS they have programed in to there machines and not wanting to put in time and cost of add a new ISS. It just looks to me as if AB has one more time dropped the ball on this patch as they have on a few lately to make good artwork look bad. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1031 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 12-30-2011 04:40 AM
It is not AB's fault. They get the artwork from NASA and follow their instructions... |
butch wilks Member Posts: 333 From: Lowestoft, Suffolk, UK Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 12-30-2011 08:34 AM
Sorry but I cannot believe that NASA just sends AB the specs and the artwork and says get on with it. Sorry I do not believe that.The two (AB and NASA) must have telephone calls and get together with the designer to set the final patch. As to adding parts for a different patch, does not the designer of that patch have a say in having their parts added to a design that they did not design? I would think so as it may come down to copyright on the patch they are taking the part from. Yes in the end you may be right, it may not be AB's fault, it may be NASA and AB that are at fault for not keeping the patch to the artwork. But I would think that the designer would hope that the design he or she puts forward to NASA would be accepted as close to the design they put in and not have parts added to it. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42984 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-30-2011 08:43 AM
The designer of this patch could have been someone in NASA's art department. Many patches have been designed by the in-house artists working with the crew members. But even when outside artists volunteer their services to help the astronauts with their patch (and that service is accepted), the design is still the astronauts' and NASA's to do with as they please. They have the final say, not the designer, and it has always been that way. Even Robert McCall saw his designs altered by the crews and NASA. As for this patch, the design changed. We do not know yet why it changed. It could have been that the crew received samples of the embroidered version and decided changes were needed. It could be some other reason. Until that is known (if it is ever known), no one should be jumping to conclusions. The only people in the position to criticize changes to their patch are the astronauts who are going to wear it... |
spaceman Member Posts: 1104 From: Walsall, West Midlands, UK Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 01-01-2012 12:46 PM
The version on eBay is to be avoided (in my opinion), its not now the official design, there is no 'Mars' and the text is poor. Wait for the official AB version.We are being a bit spoiled as the designs are available long before the mission. Patience is a virtue. |
KSCartist Member Posts: 2896 From: Titusville, FL USA Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 01-01-2012 01:48 PM
I'd like to think I understand the process as well as anyone so I'd like to offer a few thoughts. quote: Originally posted by butch wilks: Sorry but I cannot believe that NASA just sends AB the specs and the artwork and says get on with it. Sorry I do not believe that.
Butch that's pretty much how it goes. AB has a contract that limits the number of colors, the type of font, the size of the patch. Look at the font on the Apollo 14 patch. It's beautiful - couldn't get it done today.The crews work with an artist (either someone in the JSC Graphics department or an outside artist) over the course of weeks or months until a design is created. Once the crew is happy with it the design, it is sent "upstairs" to management for approval. Once approved, the JSC Graphics folks recreate the design to meet NASA uses (print, TV, embroidery, etc.). They also must ensure that there are no more than eight colors and that the colors are true to Pantone values. Imagine if you will that you have a group of very talented artists and over the last few years all they've been asked to do is to re-draw someone else's work. Also understand that they have suffered cutbacks like other departments due to the end of the shuttle program. Could they have done a better job on the Soyuz attached to the ISS? Absolutely. But in the final design, it's going to be what, about 1/16th of an inch long? I think we can cut them a little slack. There were changes made to the Expedition 30 design once Jorge and I were finished. We had designed the borders to be a light gray and I envisioned the embroidery to be like the border of the Apollo 13 patch. Nope, it was changed to blue and my gold was changed to yellow. It HAD to have been approved (or requested) by the crew. But when Dan Burbank thanked me for our work, it's no longer "my patch" - it's theirs. Was I happy with the change? No, but I cherish the memory of working with them. Luc had a similar experience with the Expedition 31 patch. His art is beautiful, the AB patch, not so much. So I was thrilled when Erik and Jacques along with Luc produced their own version. I appreciate the passion that everyone has for these little pieces of art, but let's not dump on the JSC graphics team too hard. We don't know what they are up against. If you want to do something useful for the patch collecting community, go after the pirates on eBay that sell cheap knock off crap to unsuspecting collectors. |
MSS Member Posts: 633 From: Poland Registered: May 2003
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posted 01-09-2012 01:41 PM
Here is an interesting photo of the Soyuz TMA-06M crew with their lead Soyuz trainer. Have they got the original exp 33 patches? |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1031 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 01-11-2012 04:24 PM
According to one of the two cosmonauts in the picture, these were indeed embroidered patches, not paper printouts. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1031 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 01-13-2012 11:03 AM
To add to the confusion: AB Emblem insists that the artwork that was released first and that can be seen on the Sokol suits of Ford's crew, is the approved version that they will produce. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1031 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 01-17-2012 10:46 AM
Looks like the mystery has been solved. NASA, by mistake, posted the wrong version of the artwork on their website. So, the first image in this thread and the one seen on the suits of Ford's crew, is the one that will be used. |
MSS Member Posts: 633 From: Poland Registered: May 2003
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posted 01-19-2012 03:32 PM
This NASA photo shows a good Expedition 33 emblem! |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1031 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 01-20-2012 12:24 AM
Probably it was the fastest way to get it on their website. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42984 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-27-2012 11:43 AM
AB Emblem's ISS Expedition 33 embroidered patch: |
SPACEFACTS Member Posts: 301 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted 02-22-2012 10:47 AM
NASA's Human Spaceflight Gallery has corrected the patch... |